are you two just now picking up on the racist jabs????

walk with me - talk with me here

that's ok...i still loves ya

are you two just now picking up on the racist jabs????

walk with me - talk with me here

that's ok...i still loves ya

No, I've reported the Hate Baiting a couple times.
Perhaps, it's best to consider the stability and just not respond to it.

norslyman, you're right about these eugenicists, in fact a couple of the biggest ones right now is david rockefeller and ted turner. just watched a video of them discussing this very topic. wonder if that's what the over 800 concentration camps that have been built all over the united states by fema is for?

Yea back on topic. The State Sovreignty Movement is a radical movement of which caters to the racists in this country but besides that it is a movement of hypocrisy. It claims to be for the constitution but states in the proposals that if the federal government does not comply it will nullify the constitution in the states so they will not have to follow it anymore.

I haven't called anyone on this board a racist. So why do they protest so much to the whole idea of racists liking this movement?

I've wondered about these camps myself. Not ready to jump to conclusions but they do exist, and it does seem shadey...

i'm going to be going down to avon park this weekend to get a look at one myself. i'll let everyone know what i see there.

I still fail to see how, in anyway, this is a racist movement. The movement itself, looking at the big picture, is a reality check for Washington. This is a good thing. Therefore the "Movement" has my upmost support and enthusiasm. All should follow suit.


And maybe even take it to bigger levels, such as impeaching anyone whoe goes against our constitution. You know, gun laws, laws against the first amendment, the patriot act, the federal reserve act, no longer backing our money. Hell, printing money, backed or not, is illegal in the first place. Ummm....income tax is also illegal simply because it wasn't ratified by 4 out of 5 states before it passed as well.



If congress, and/or the president, doesn't abide by our constitution they should be fired and replaced accordingly. Regardless of color, religion, political affiliation, etc.

Umm....the states were supposed to hold the power over the federal government in the first place...

What's causing the states to do this is the simple fact that the federal government is dictating THEIR plans to them. So, power to the majority i guess...

The federal government has been unconstitutional. The federal government is being unconstitutional. The states are tired of it. So they are now questioning their authority and pushing back. The STATES are sending the message; " we will not be dictated anymore, we have rights" to the federal government. That, is in no way, being unconstitutional. In fact, the states are using power that our forefathers gave them. Isn't it neat Dragoness? They are finally learning

Learning what? The states already have their own government which they control.

The small issues that are coming up on these proposals of hypocrisy are the second amendment (which the half of America that do not want to carry weapons do not want to be shot by a crazy second amendmenter) so certain restrictions on the second amendment should stand to represent the part of America that feels the way I mentioned. The second issue is the mandates handed down to the states that are unfunded like SCHIPP, this should be a mandate, it is for the children of this country in every state.

And as for the stimulus package which I know is a major issue. It was needed. All the experts told everyone that they needed to flood the country with money to stimulate the economy. They made the attempt and put one through as fast as they could. It is what the financial experts say is needed. Do the individual states not want to follow the financial experts? That would be to their own detriment and make the people of their state suffer more than necessary just to make a mute point of some kind.

You did not take my bet I see.

you so need to go to youtube and watch our own congress people and what they say about the bailout. first you need to read about how money is made then you need to realize that you are the type of person that likes to make sure that our children will be slaves to the bankers and paying out of the nose for your luxuries now. what a nice person you are dragonesss.

Learning what? The states already have their own government which they control.

The small issues that are coming up on these proposals of hypocrisy are the second amendment (which the half of America that do not want to carry weapons do not want to be shot by a crazy second amendmenter) so certain restrictions on the second amendment should stand to represent the part of America that feels the way I mentioned. The second issue is the mandates handed down to the states that are unfunded like SCHIPP, this should be a mandate, it is for the children of this country in every state.

And as for the stimulus package which I know is a major issue. It was needed. All the experts told everyone that they needed to flood the country with money to stimulate the economy. They made the attempt and put one through as fast as they could. It is what the financial experts say is needed. Do the individual states not want to follow the financial experts? That would be to their own detriment and make the people of their state suffer more than necessary just to make a mute point of some kind.

You did not take my bet I see.

Ok, education time. You think America is a democracy don't you?

Its not, nor was it ever intended that way. A democracy is a mob rule. If you want one, leave, please, before you encourage the destruction of our country.

Our country was founded as a Republic. This means elected officials are meant to stand for us, and do whats best for us. Government in every case was meant to be small, and noninterventive. There are of course times where SOME intervention is needed. For a republic to work, it must strictly adhere to a constitution. This keeps the republic in check. The republic is supposed to keep the people in check, and vice versa.

If the republic overrides their constitution, the people have no one to protect them but themselves.

This is where our bill of rights come in.

Amendment 1 - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This removes the government from being able to totally manipulate the population.

Amendment 2 - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This is the guardian of all other rights. The Right to bear arms is a last resort against tryanny. When push comes to shove the people have THE RIGHT to abolish our government and start anew.

This was mentioned in our declaration of independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

This is our binding contract. The fabric of our entire country. Be careful before you suggest it be rewritten or ignored.

Ok, enough for now about the constitution.

Now the stimuus package... Guess what. Its a scam! "They" said we need to flood the economy with money. That's not true at all. Any educated economist would tell you that.

What they MEANT was, we need to flood the economy with debt. Yes, thats right. This money won't come from taxes, or spending cuts, instead it will be BORROWED, and spent. All other information is irrelivant if you do your homework on how the economy works. Doesn't matter how its spent, just that it gets deposited and laned out again. Google the Fractional Reserve System. This explains how a little debt can be turned into a lot of debt, which, is a good thing for the short run.

Problem with the economy is that we need infinitely increasing debt, and it needs to grow exponetially at a constant rate. When it doesn't grow fast enough, we have "bubble bursts" like the housing market, followed by a recession. What this means is that our entire economy since 1913, is only temporary, because there will come a day when we simply can't afford the principal + interest payments when we can only use the principal to make the payments.

Funny thing is it states bluntly in our constitution that the money issuing power resides with congress. Not a private bank. This makes the Federal Reserve illegal according to our constitution. It's also illegal to have paper money of any sort. Nifty huh? You know what's interesting. The Great Depression, and this depression, wouldn't exist with our government just read and followed the constitution.

This brings us back to the constitution descussion. States ust maintain a soveriegnty, and they are in fact building militias. Because someday we will have a revolution. The sooner it happens the less bloody it will be. If the states get tehir message across now, other people wont need the right to bear arms to take washington d.c. down by force. People wouldn't have to die.

See why this is all important. Our constitution protects us from the u.s. government. Read it, it's probably one of the most socially brilliant documents written.

Okay, that was all great and all. I already knew it anyway but thanks for the effort.

None of which makes the movement not a hypocrisy. It is a hypocrisy to state that the states demands not met equal a nullification of the constitution when they are supposedly following the constitution in the first place. Unless that is a catch 22 in the constitution that needs to be worked on.

Like I have said before it really is no personal problem for me that a state secede and become it's own little nation. The residence will no longer be citizens of this country, they will be in a small little nation surrounded by the US, hopefully having something the US needs to trade with. And with their little small militia army they had better hope that no opportunistic terrorist forces decide to take over, like the white supremacists. I don't think it would be a great thing for the residents and I hope the residents get warning so they can vacate said state before the secession happens if they do not wish to lose their US citizenship or get caught in a civil war or a terrorist state in their home town.

It is actually stupidity if you read up on it. But the racists love it I am sure because it goes against the black president, ya know?