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Topic: States declaring and reaffirming their sovereignty
yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:00 PM

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:02 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Mon 02/23/09 06:03 PM
my sister (very liberal) and bro in law (dem) even thinks this is insane

they must be secret racist republicans

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:21 PM
I got my letters in to Congress concerning this. I said that MY EXPERIENCE WITH REPUBLICANS has been that they were racist. My experience is what it is. Doesn't mean your experience has been the same.

As for this state, the republicans here may have suggested it but that doesn't mean it will go through here.

Lets see if I can further my cause here.

State legislation overriding Federal can mean that the Civil Liberties can be revoked, right?

State legislation overriding Federal can mean that the military may not get involved when people are discriminated against in their state, right?

State legislation overriding Federal should mean that all Federal help provided each "sovereign state" be revoked, right?

Doesn't sound so great for the citizens of each state to me unless they have "other" agendas in play, right?

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:32 PM
whoa

willing2's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:32 PM



yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:38 PM
let me see if i have this...

if you don't like obama...you are a racist
if you don't like the government....you are a racist
if you are a republican....then you HAVE to be a racist to join the party
if you don't agree with dragoness....you are a racist

why do i feel like there is a punch line coming???? is this like you might be a redneck joke???

nogames39's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:44 PM
RACIST or NOT RACIST

One may think, that just because our president is black, and anyone not supportive of him, must be racist then.

Let's rephrase that. If you're not racist, then you should obviously support what a black president is doing. Whatever he is doing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I happen to thing that this very approach is nothing but pure racism. All you can see in Obama, is his black skin. What about his ideas? Plans? Actions? Integrity? Skills?

"If I am black and unsuccessful, this can not be simply because I am unsuccessful, it must be because they hate blacks" - this is nothing but racist statement. It discounts everything this country stood for, in acknowledging that it is not the color that matters, but one's substance.

What about other black people? Successful, smart and strong black people? Racism doesn't stop them?

What about Alan Keys or Larry Elder? They are black, but boy oh boy, can they outsmart quite a few whites!

Alan Keys wasn't very successful in his bid for the office. Must be racism, huh?

Stop paying attention to people's color. Smile. The beauty is on the inside of one's soul.

raiderfan_32's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:47 PM
This is the text of the Resolution being considered in the Texas Legislature.. Tell me what's so racist about the states requiring the federal government abide by the Constitution and quit coercing them under threat of federal sanctions..

By:Creighton H.C.R.ANo.A50
CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the
United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the
States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people";
and

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of
federal power as being that specifically granted by the
Constitution of the United States and no more; and
WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment
means that the federal government was created by the states
specifically to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated
as agents of the federal government; and

WHEREAS, Many federal laws are directly in violation of the
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of
the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union
of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal
government may not usurp; and

WHEREAS, Section 4, Article IV, of the Constitution says,
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican Form of Government," and the Ninth Amendment states that
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people"; and

WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New
York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that congress may not
simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the
states; and

WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations
and some now pending from the present administration and from
congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States;
now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the 81st Legislature of the State of Texas
hereby claim sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the
Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise
enumerated and granted to the federal government by the
Constitution of the United States; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That this serve as notice and demand to the federal
government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective
immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these
constitutionally delegated powers; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That all compulsory federal legislation that
directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal
penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation
or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed; and, be it
further

RESOLVED, That the Texas secretary of state forward official
copies of this resolution to the president of the United States, to
the speaker of the house of representatives and the president of the
senate of the United States Congress, and to all the members of the Texas delegation to the congress with the request that this
resolution be officially entered in the Congressional Record as a
memorial to the Congress of the United States of America.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/pdf/HC00050I.pdf


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Everyone's a racist, right?

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:48 PM
i don't care what race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, whatever...if they can do the job...GREAT

BTW...he is 1/2 white as well. both heritages are something to be proud of

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:49 PM
shhhhh raider....we are texan....fanta is one too....don't let it out

Zapchaser's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:50 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't mind me! Just running through the room naked. laugh

nogames39's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:53 PM
AMERICAN or NOT AMERICAN

What does it mean to be an American? Hmmm, really?

To me, this means to be a capitalist. To love freedom. To restrain government to a very narrow list of allowed tasks. To throw them out of office if they stop serving (yes, serving, like servants) the people of America.

Does being American means staying in the union no matter what?

This new president wants to build a socialist, collectivist society here. The previous president, was not much better, he even said that "America can not afford having free markets". He meant America can not afford having freedom?!? How dare! Who the hell asked his opinion on what America can and can not afford?

And thus, if this new president, being no different than old one, desires to destroy America's whole substance by converting it to soviet gulag, is it American to stick with his wild plans or is it American to say "Hell No!"?

American is not blind sheepish submission, but Independence from any oppressor, be it foreign or a domestic one. Separation from a socialist kernel then, I think, is a very American thing to do.


Zapchaser's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:54 PM

let me see if i have this...

if you don't like obama...you are a racist
if you don't like the government....you are a racist
if you are a republican....then you HAVE to be a racist to join the party
if you don't agree with dragoness....you are a racist

why do i feel like there is a punch line coming???? is this like you might be a redneck joke???

Rednecks don't tell redneck jokes. :wink: It would confuse them. Kinda like the chicken that liked to explain why he needed to cross the road?:banana:

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 06:56 PM


let me see if i have this...

if you don't like obama...you are a racist
if you don't like the government....you are a racist
if you are a republican....then you HAVE to be a racist to join the party
if you don't agree with dragoness....you are a racist

why do i feel like there is a punch line coming???? is this like you might be a redneck joke???

Rednecks don't tell redneck jokes. :wink: It would confuse them. Kinda like the chicken that liked to explain why he needed to cross the road?:banana:


is that why i don't get em????? put yer britches back on

willing2's photo
Mon 02/23/09 07:11 PM

AMERICAN or NOT AMERICAN

What does it mean to be an American? Hmmm, really?

To me, this means to be a capitalist. To love freedom. To restrain government to a very narrow list of allowed tasks. To throw them out of office if they stop serving (yes, serving, like servants) the people of America.

Does being American means staying in the union no matter what?

This new president wants to build a socialist, collectivist society here. The previous president, was not much better, he even said that "America can not afford having free markets". He meant America can not afford having freedom?!? How dare! Who the hell asked his opinion on what America can and can not afford?

And thus, if this new president, being no different than old one, desires to destroy America's whole substance by converting it to soviet gulag, is it American to stick with his wild plans or is it American to say "Hell No!"?

American is not blind sheepish submission, but Independence from any oppressor, be it foreign or a domestic one. Separation from a socialist kernel then, I think, is a very American thing to do.



drinker drinker :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/23/09 07:13 PM

RACIST or NOT RACIST

One may think, that just because our president is black, and anyone not supportive of him, must be racist then.

Let's rephrase that. If you're not racist, then you should obviously support what a black president is doing. Whatever he is doing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I happen to thing that this very approach is nothing but pure racism. All you can see in Obama, is his black skin. What about his ideas? Plans? Actions? Integrity? Skills?

"If I am black and unsuccessful, this can not be simply because I am unsuccessful, it must be because they hate blacks" - this is nothing but racist statement. It discounts everything this country stood for, in acknowledging that it is not the color that matters, but one's substance.

What about other black people? Successful, smart and strong black people? Racism doesn't stop them?

What about Alan Keys or Larry Elder? They are black, but boy oh boy, can they outsmart quite a few whites!

Alan Keys wasn't very successful in his bid for the office. Must be racism, huh?

Stop paying attention to people's color. Smile. The beauty is on the inside of one's soul.


I agree completely. I have to consider that a states sovereignty is a given as it has always been to a certain extent. The last time this subject was brought up in great magnitude was during the civil rights movement ie integration of schools, black and white. I am sorry if warning signals come up when it is brought up again with a black president. Coincidence? Maybe but it is doubtful considering who we are talking about here. This is a republican based movement and a far far right movement. The far right includes the radicals, racist, fundamental religious, etc....

I do see people for who they are and their beautiful skin is part of them. Just because I can see a possible discrimination and others do not, does not make me wrong.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/23/09 07:17 PM

AMERICAN or NOT AMERICAN

What does it mean to be an American? Hmmm, really?

To me, this means to be a capitalist. To love freedom. To restrain government to a very narrow list of allowed tasks. To throw them out of office if they stop serving (yes, serving, like servants) the people of America.

Does being American means staying in the union no matter what?

This new president wants to build a socialist, collectivist society here. The previous president, was not much better, he even said that "America can not afford having free markets". He meant America can not afford having freedom?!? How dare! Who the hell asked his opinion on what America can and can not afford?

And thus, if this new president, being no different than old one, desires to destroy America's whole substance by converting it to soviet gulag, is it American to stick with his wild plans or is it American to say "Hell No!"?

American is not blind sheepish submission, but Independence from any oppressor, be it foreign or a domestic one. Separation from a socialist kernel then, I think, is a very American thing to do.




I completely agree here also but if the motivation for the movement is because of a hatred and not for the greater good, which I am not seeing the greater good here at all, then what? Is it then American to ignore or put their heads in the sand in the face of the ugliness in this country? Now I hesitate on saying that one because it has been American to do this on many many occasions.

When I see the greater good being held up by this movement I will then agree that it may be a good thing. So far no go, it looks racially motivated to me.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 07:17 PM

RACIST or NOT RACIST

One may think, that just because our president is black, and anyone not supportive of him, must be racist then.

Let's rephrase that. If you're not racist, then you should obviously support what a black president is doing. Whatever he is doing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I happen to thing that this very approach is nothing but pure racism. All you can see in Obama, is his black skin. What about his ideas? Plans? Actions? Integrity? Skills?

"If I am black and unsuccessful, this can not be simply because I am unsuccessful, it must be because they hate blacks" - this is nothing but racist statement. It discounts everything this country stood for, in acknowledging that it is not the color that matters, but one's substance.

What about other black people? Successful, smart and strong black people? Racism doesn't stop them?

What about Alan Keys or Larry Elder? They are black, but boy oh boy, can they outsmart quite a few whites!

Alan Keys wasn't very successful in his bid for the office. Must be racism, huh?

Stop paying attention to people's color. Smile. The beauty is on the inside of one's soul.


drinker

raiderfan_32's photo
Mon 02/23/09 07:47 PM
I cringe everytime I hear a liberal utter the phrase "greater good" or "common good"


There's a difference between "anti-socialist/anti-communist" and "racist" but the distinction is clearly lost in some..

The assertion that a state's sovereignty is a given is somewhat laughable given that the federal government constantly restricts the states. Know why roads in Louisiana suck?? because the feds cut off funding for the interstates when LA lowered the drinking age to 18. Restrictive much??

nogames39's photo
Mon 02/23/09 08:12 PM
The power to tax is the power to control. They (federales) tax the crap out of everybody under the auspice of some "common good", and then they put everybody in line begging for that same money, but now you have to do what the king says, or you're not getting any.

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