Speaking from experience. The people in Europe are much more friendly and non-judgemental, than americans. Most americans are so selfish and into themselves....even most christians.

Go to a resteraunt in Europe alone. Sit at a table....and I GUARANTEE you someone will eventually sit down with you and talk to you. How often does this happen in the states???? Zero to nil.

The churches there are pretty much all for show, and tourism...but asking around and talking to people there are still MANY christians. They just go with the flow, and pray whenever.


I wouldnt consider america the greatest christian nation.

Ok Billy...I see you misunderstood what Eljay meant.

Eljay said we are NO LONGER a christian nation...

because of what is happening in our land today....

Eljay is NOT saying that we NEVER WERE a christian nation!!

But I disagree with Eljay.. ..

I STILL see us as a Christian nation...

despite our problems...

cause this nation is still made up of GREAT people...

who will NOT give up on our great country !!!

From: Merriam-Webster Dictionary...

de·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈdē-ˌi-zəm, ˈdā-\
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
Date: 1682:

A movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe.



Compare:


ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know —
Date: 1869

1: A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable;

Broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god;

2: A person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>






And;

athe·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
Date: 1546

1 archaic : ungodliness , wickedness

2 a: A disbelief in the existence of deity b: The doctrine that there is no deity.







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Filmfreek wrote:

"I wouldn't consider america the greatest christian nation."

Well Filmfreek...

at the moment, I wouldn't either !!!

BUT....

I believe.....


instead of fixing and keeping our eyes on the problem....

we need to be

fixing and keeping our eyes

on the solution!!

There IS STILL Hope for America !!!

God is NOT done with This Nation!!!

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God Bless You Brother Clark!!

Pray All is Going Well With You and Your Loved Ones Now!!

Do you realize what you just said? Still made up a great people who will not give up on our country? So you Christians are the only ones that don't give up? I would agree you certainly don't give up trying to monopolize morality and patriotism and the idea of having a theocracy, that's for sure.

Problem to others might be, that Christians are the problem and not the solution. I would say there is still hope for the US as well and only if 'everyone' speaks out, not just Christan's who want everyone to think / believe alike.

I think it's very possible the whole world is a bit tired of the Christians from the US dictating morality to the whole bloody world. It's very convenient that your bible tells you to do just that, makes it difficult to stop you from inflicting your version of morality on the whole of humanity and expecting us all to fall in line.

Not all Americans are unfriendly. And certainly not all of us stuff our beliefs down other throats. Though many of us love to discuss what we have learned about life and such. I seem to remember a day when people were more likely to speak with others more freely, but for some strange reason we have lost that ability, could religion but the cause. I have an idea that it is. Because we can't have a differing opinion with out Christians telling us were evil of or misguided or destroying their notion of what is right.

I assume most Christians see every one as misguided by their words in here.

Did you not even bother to read Bird Wilson’s comment? Evidently not. I will post it again:



"Among ALL of our Presidents, from Washington downward"

He was complaining that we had never had a religious commander in chief from our first president up until the point that he made this comment in the mid 1800s. Is that impossible for you to understand? Why do you think I posted it?



Why would you require me to do that? I have never once sat here and claimed that there were no Christians who attended the Continental Congress. I have however shown empirically that these 6 men were in fact Deist. They just happen to be the higher profile Founding Fathers that most of us are aware of and if I say their names, people will recognize them.




Oh for pete's sake. I never once claimed that Thomas Jefferson was involved with the physical act of writing the Constitution. Although Thomas Jefferson was in France serving as United States minister when the Federal Constitution was written in 1787, he was able to influence the development of the federal government through his correspondence. Later his actions as the first secretary of state, vice president, leader of the first political opposition party, and third president of the United States were crucial in shaping the look of the nation's capital and defining the powers of the Constitution and the nature of the emerging republic. Crack a history book, Eljay. You are embarrassing yourself.

So my comments clearly stand as factual statements. I have NEVER once even exaggerated any of this historical information.

More for Eljay. Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here in black bold:

"All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable."

Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones:

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights."

But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence-- it is a historical document, not a constitutional one. So yeah, there were Christians involved and here is some of their handy work.

Thank you boo2u. This was pretty much my point exactly.

As long as america is being ran by fundamentalist christians...this nation will never prosper and grow. We need more open minded people in office that are not afraid to try new radical ideas ie. legalizing marijuana to help out the economy, trying out socialism to give our citizens free health care and school, etc...

We were NEVER founded as a Christian nation. We have never become a Christian nation. We have had a succession of Christian presidents as a latter part of our historical development as a nation. Do you understand the difference or no?

I can answer the question, no he doesn't, neither does anyone who pushes the cart before the horse.

I believe that is the problem with a lot of people. Many hold an ideal before and above any kind of reason, logic, evidence, or even what is right. Religion gives the rationale to do so from the highest possible authority, and thus it cannot be reasoned with.

It’s very difficult to even become elected President unless you profess to be a Christian or cleverly sidestep the issue. President Kennedy nearly was never elected because he was a Catholic and that threw everyone into a panic thinking the Vatican would be speaking to JFK and giving him orders and making proclamations through him. Its sheer lunacy with these people.

Someone once told me that for every Pagan he could show who was not a Xian, he could also show me a Xian who was not a Xian

No true Scotsman, only I really believe that there is no true Christians. Its a moving target even for the individual, no one can say what it is, some will say its just belief that jesus was your savior, but that's crap because as soon as some pedophile, or mass murderer claims that belief they reject him.

Yeah, the Ivanhoe reference is noted!!!

They all can’t agree with one another anyway. There are more denominations of Christianity then there are religions.

And then any time one of them does something horrible, they claim he or she wasn't a real Christian. It’s the "no true Scotsman" fallacy used over and over again to try to avert blame or responsibility for anything.

Last I checked more then 38,000.

Seems almost schizophrenic in its disorder and dis-joined concept.