Where is Morningsong and Milesthuselah when we need them?

I think they would know what Yamin is talking about.

It sounds very patriarchal.

why, is this a "battle" of right and wrong, or of good and evil beliefs?

is it not just all blending ideas, to see what is most benificial for ALL as common good?

if one loo for what is common good for just some, that agree with self, will not this provide just the answer self wished to hear?

is this the most logical?

if you agree with them Mirror, but have not your own logic, then how do you actually understand what you believe, and not just simply assume it is the most correct because that was what one has been told?

if it is simple good truth, at the base of any belief, then this guide easily as to what is most true for all, as what is evidence of most actual truth in belief, less it is what it will make for all things that believe it?

as Krisma spoke, all things are simply subjective, less there is good reasoning coming from self alone, then these spoken and accessed by all others, tell whether there is logical thought consistent enough to be accepted by others as most good for all?

what self want to "believe in" is personal preference, and anything that live has the freedom to decide such, but what be adopted as some logical most common good as "truth of god", must be heard, weighed, measured, balanced, checked, digested, bias removed, understood, rechecked and only then, when ALL agree, pronounced and declared as infallible most good logic, by ALL hearers?

not just some, as would not this create bias of some as most good, leaving no way for common understanding and happiness to be created?

since all have bias naturally, then bias agreed that is most good bias, be most good?

since things such as these, WILL EFFECT ALL LIVES AND HAPPINESS AND STATE OF BEING, of ALL others that believe them, then this seems most critical, and simple agreement of ONLY SOME seem to be no indication what be most good belief or "prononced of god"?

do not all things created on earth by humans only FIRST come from WHAT IS BELIEVED?

if there is simple truth, such as equality of others as equal to self in all ways, then these decide what will be built into good logic that control belief?

simple things then such as "equality in belief" should not difficult to attain 100% common agreement on, as all things human wished to be treated equal, JUST NOT ALL WISH TO TREST OTHERS EQUAL, the same natural emotions of self interest flowing froth from within all things equally, from the pope to a pauper?

if then something does not abide by equal or simple things, this show that some singular or group self interest is most deciding good for all?

are we not all equal?

do we not all wish the freedom to be considered equal?

how can any belief of god then not be founded on all things as equal?

to use the feeling that come from others that agree as some "sign" that something is the most truth, is only to give away the power of self, as if god be within each thing, to ask "why" to self that something is true or more true, AND HOW IT WILL EFFECT ALL, be the only time self KNOW why it believe what it believe for itself?

this then show and tell WHO self is to self, and then this is shown outward to tell others WHO self is?

what does any have to decide WHO and WHAT anything is, except by the words and actions that come forth from self?

what is believed by all then will create the future, for one and all, and be the only tell of most good?

if we deem a physic, or a prophet, or a seer, or a teacher, or a preacher, or a president, or a ambassador, be telling what the future bring, then how do we see WE ARE CREATING ALL THINGS OURSELF, and since the future is OUR'S to create, then WE ALLOW THE FUTURE TO BE TAKEN FROM US?

if we do not see we are creating all things, then how have we not given up our own future?

how can some "voice of doom" say what the future be, less it be what WISH TO CREATE DOOM FOR OTHERS?

belief indeed create all things human hands build in this world, be it towers unto heaven or machines of torture, so it seems most prudent to check all things out with a big WHY within self, or some things can be made, that create misery for many, before many know they have been created?

just my ignorant ideas man........

Ok this is going to sound mean but no meaner than what is above, unless one can't see the manipulation in the words.

How perfect is it to set man up to mistrust his fellow man as well as himself with the repeated assertions that he is deceitful and wicked and should hate his own natural condition. Set up the conditions where by you can control a man that has no self worth but that which you allow him in some limited and controlled way. Yet at the very same time the charismatic leader type sees the value in using the man with no self worth to do his bidding.

Now we have created the church leader and the followers.

Wow the rulers of the world must have seen the value of manipulation in the bible immediately. The value in using peoples fears against them to gain power and treasure, and those that will be so frozen in their fears, staunch in their prejudices who will be the work force to gain that power and treasure.

How brilliant that the same book can empower some and enslave others. And of course avoid too much education for the masses, it should be seen as evil for obvious reasons, take care not to give women too much power, especially, you know how they are.. grin

So now you have more that will be the slaves and the few that will rule the world.

Absolutely brilliant, add Intelligent design and creationism to solve the boredom factor and write a few zillion books from Nostradamus to Left behind series and you have access to the idle and depressed minds of the new age.. wow, it just gets bigger and bigger until all minds are as obedient as all others.

Yes, all religion is divisive.

yes, right and wrong made as a shrine of good create the only good evil to grow up awareness of human beings.......

So what? She criticizes the Christian Church and that means that we should agree with her? Not likely.

Her religious beliefs are worst than the new Christian Church. She seems to preach old Judaic law from the old testament. That is worse by far than the new one which is also a lie, but at least it is a kinder gentler lie that preaches to turn the other cheek and love thy neighbor.

The old law wants us to burn witches and stone unruly children. The old law would have it legal for a man to own and abuse and even kill his wife if he so chooses, like some third world country religions. The old law would declare any unmarried woman a whore or harlot just as she calls the Christian Mary, and she calls her "harlot" because she is not married. All unmarried women are seen as harlots and all married women are seen as property, bought and sold.

No, mirror, hers is a step backward, even from the fraud of the new Church of Christianity in my opinion. It will not work in the modern world among spiritually attuned people who believe in freedom.

Lee you are just being difficult.

Hehe, I think Mirror is defending Yamin because he knew he would have plenty of people to debate against and he felt like a challenge. Sometimes it's fun to stir things up.

I could be wrong though.

I think mirror has "spiritual identity" issues. There seems to be some discrepancies in his beliefs and they change from day to day.

hehe mirror just stands up for and sides with everyone. He loves us all

Yeah, even though most of us are debating against him on this topic he has unfailingly proven to be civil and respectful. Two things that are often thrown out the window when talking about touchy subjects like this one.

ive heard some christians say if you cant get the pagan to convert, hit'em over the head with your bible & beat the devil out of them.

Hahaha

"I believe that a person can be good, in spite of being a practicing Christian ."-Krimsa

Lol, sports fans.

According to the sign above Hell sounds like well...... earth.

"Evolutionists and pot smokers."

You better add tarot card readers to that, I don't want to be left out of that swinging party.