I think that is awesome. Every time we see a species evolve, scientists say "That should have taken millions of years!"

How can Darwinists being so very wrong work in support of their beliefs? I want that! I want to be able to be completely wrong and still have everybody believe my harebrained ideas.

Oh but they do. People still believe in the bible even though it's completely wrong.

See, science leaves open room for improvement. In a rational world it's okay to admit you're wrong. Nothing is written in stone.

The point is, evolution was proven right there. Or atleast given very solid evidence.

There is history in the bible.

That is a very convincing argument. "It's completely wrong". To disprove that, all I have to do is prove that it is right in one place. Okay, Pontius Pilot was the governor of Israel in 33 AD.



The point I'm making is that it doesn't. The scientists say that these lizards have experienced millions of years of evolution in decades. So what's to say that we shouldn't divide their entire evolutionary scale by 100,000 years? Obviously evolution isn't working the same as the scientists expected.



Right. I believe in evolution. I just think that the scientists haven't gotten it right yet. Think about this...if the earth is 6,000 years old and evolution is 100,000 times faster than Darwinists claim (which your article implies) then that covers "600,000,000" years on their scale.

I offered an article showing a similar leap in evolution happening to lions trapped on an island off of the coast of Africa.

It seems to me that a species might go into hyper-evolution if the species is introduced to an environment that isn't deadly, but isn't comfortable to the species either. I think that scientists need to open their minds a bit and stop insisting that they "know" anything, when a pillar of science is that we cannot "know" anything.

How do you know Galileo spent the last years of his life locked up by the Christian church? Can you provide evidence of this as fact?

Fossils show us nothing about evolution. Fossils are in fact - evidence of one fact of the bible.

All who sin will die. All men sin.

Fact!

The Catholic church put him under house arrest when he was around 70 yrs. old. (That was after his second trial.) He died of natural causes during that time.

Where is the bible completely wrong - and why?

When was evolution proven as right - and how?

The largest christian denomination in the world-the Roman Catholic church believes in evolution.

There's history in Tom Sawyer but that doesn't make it true.

from wikipedia:


Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime. The geocentric view had been dominant since the time of Aristotle, and the controversy engendered by Galileo's presentation of heliocentrism as proven fact resulted in the Catholic Church's prohibiting its advocacy as empirically proven fact, because it was not empirically proven at the time and was contrary to the literal meaning of Scripture. Galileo was eventually forced to recant his heliocentrism and spent the last years of his life under house arrest on orders of the Roman Inquisition.

There is evidence of some of the history in the Bible. There is no evidence that Tom Sawyer existed.

I see - so your authority is winkipedia. And are you assuming that the author of this information was there? Again I ask - give me a "reliable" source. Not someone who read a book by someone who read a book about someone who read a book.

You tell me that the bible is a bunch of stories - and you rely on Wink-a-whatever for your facts.

Please.

The Catholic church put him under house arrest when he was around 70 yrs. old. He died of natural causes during that time.

I think the point that Eljay is making is that the arguments used against the Bible most often can equally be applied to any document or fact.

ok i never realy ever say this about anyone but you are an idiot.

it is no wonder why you do not understand evolution, you can't even grasp basic history.

your agrument is stupid.
it's like saying how do you know hitler was a real person, were you there? did you know him?
realy dude read a book sometime.
besides the bible.
you probably have'nt read that either.
i'm not going to do all your research for you, you may actually have to look something up yourself.
I know it means reading and possibly learning but try it out just once you may like it, who knows.

To quote one of my favolrite songs...

"I may be an idiot - but indeed I am no fool"

I'm sure you were attempting to make a point here but I find it difficult dumbing down to your level to find it. I did not say that the point you made was incorrect - I asked you how you were able to verify it. You did understand that didn't you? Spider got it right away. What was your problem?

I don't need you to do any research for me - I suggest you do it for yourself. Pick up a book on logic and dicover what a "false premise is".

Hitler has been documented on film - Galileo was not. At least use an alagogy that applies.

Having read your posts - I've forgotten more about the bible than you've demonstrated you know. How many times have you read it?

Think because you took a college course or two that you've got it over on everyone? Wake up.

Back your statements up with some facts. Show some understanding here. Not everyone is convinced that "Evolution as an origin of the Species" is fact - since there are no facts that support it without accepting unprovable postulates and premises that can't be supported.

Demonstate if you will how the earth being billions of years old can be supported through science without having to accept "uniformalism" as fact, which is unprovable. But you knew that right? Because you've done the research like I have. Or... Have you?

I know very little about you - so I won't make the mistake of saying that you haven't read the bible dozens of times like I have - or read three books a week, or have two degree's, have taught in High School and college, because I know you wouldn't make idiot statements like that about me since you know nothing about me.

And if you ever get around it - answer me how it is you know that the testimonies you read about Galileo on Winkapedia are true, and the testimonies about Jesus in the bible are fairy tales. I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out how you reason things out.

I was wondering when someone would get it.

Right on Johnnie!

The Catholic church put him under house arrest when he was around 70 yrs. old. He died of natural causes during that time.

You know that because it was recorded by historians of his time. The Bible is largely historical documents made by the Israelite people. If one is willing to question one historical document, then one must question ALL historical documents on the same grounds to be intellectually consistent. That is the point Eljay is making.