furthermore..if we are going by actual hard scientific fact...then when it can be proven that one species can evolve into a whole new species of their own.. and Im not talking about genetic disorders and minor variations in the gentic code (all of which are harmful and not the norm)

Im talking about one species changing into a whole new species...examples breed a dog and cat...create a new species.

it hasnt been done. it cant be proven. Therefore why should children be taught this "theory"??? cause right now thats all the belief in evolution is.

lol, well thank you for your concern. But hey scientists have been around for thousands of years...I found it ignorant to think that they havent already tried to breed two different species. evolution can be defined as natural selection..the human has evolved to fit the lifestyle. I agree with this. we do continue to evolve.

BUT originally life came from somewhere..the first CELLULAR LIFE. one cell can only evolve SO MUCH..it can reproduce by ittself and form other cells..till there is thousands of them. bacteria can multiply (quickly) and it can change...but there is a limit to how much.
Just like us for example...we each have our own genetic pattern..we are each different in many ways..BUT we all share many MAIN characteristics (heart, lungs, brain)

any LIVING organsim can CHANGE...but there are limits. I came from a very SIMPLE cellular structure. and through the process of meoisis..devoloped very much like my PARENT cells.


again, life originates somewhere...scientists possess labs and study so many things.

again..and i really dont care if this is an IGNORANT statement. can you make a species out of a cat and a dog???? or a RAT and cat????


becasue originally life started somewhere (obviously we exist) there was a starting point for US. Yes, i believe we have evolved over the years...but there is only so many ways we can evolve.

Im just saying you have a thousand different breeds of dogs..you can mix them...you can make a thousand different TYPES of dogs....but still its a dog. not a cat.

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as you wish...

Enjoy your day

i probably deserve you to call me ignorant lol..after all I did insult your flying spaghetti monster theory...

I guess it is also ignorant to look around and see ALL of the different types/kinds of species...and wonder also how they came into existence.
who knows.

i wont post my ignorant statements in your threads OP, my apologies.


EDIT (LOL) the answer, I belief, is you cant mix different species..and its got to do with chromosomes...

intelligent design perhaps

i guess that's your prerogative, i just wish you wouldn't take such a stance. I have no problem with you posting in my threads.

Everyone is ignorant in some respect. I am ignorant of many things like say, auto-mechanics. When i say that you are ignorant of evolution it isn't meant to be an insult. It is simply an apparent reality.

Might i humbly suggest again, doing some research.

i did. on the notion of the flying spaghetti monster.
seems my original opinion itsself was correct. its a joke. to keep the idea of creatism out of school.

a belief that heaven exists and is filled with beer and strippers.
hell is stale beer and strippers with VD.

ummm yea....although creative its is also quite a disgusting thing to say. but then I guess you dont have children and perhaps with age and children your view would change. who knows.

i dont need to study evolution anymore. Ive already looked into it and thought long and hard about it. although i do want to know more about dinosaurs and how it is that there is so many different races of mankind.

i would also likewise suggest you look into the origin of man and maybe perhaps the basics of cellular structure.
but maybe you are scared on what you would find...because perhaps you doubt that the world and all of its species was made as a jest or by a odd chance or mutation. that idea is ludicrous.

i did cell structure, and basic genetics, in biology at high school, thanks.

as for you calling my beliefs disgusting... i could think of one or two or ten things in the bible that can be construed as disgusting... but i don't debate brainwashed people.

RAmen. May his noodly appendage touch you and make you merry.

Cat and Jasmine it's ok to have your own opinions but one more attack and this post will be deleted.

Cat,

I want my child to be taught all theories.

give me just one scientific fact that shows a god.
I can not prove to you that thor does not exist.
Does that mean he's real?
We have fossils to show us evolution.
Again Evolution does not disprove a god.
They are two diffrent subjects.
But there is zero evidence for a god.
none zilch zero nada

Nothing is ever proven in science. Science accepts the theory that best explains the data. Science has blinded itself to the possibility that "God did it" is actually the best theory for some data. Cosmic fine tuning is a great example where the only theory that can explain the data.

EDIT:

Let me add that there is no reason that research should ever be considered finished if the theory is "God did it". Maybe God used the natural universe to do it and when we find more data that points to a natural cause, then a new theory should be proposed. I'm not suggesting a change how science is performed, simply suggesting the removal of a blind spot.

me too..me too winx. I want me child to be free to learn and do whatever she wants. I love it when she seeks to understand things and find deeper meaning in things.

I dont know if shes talked about evolution in school yet..science has so far been pretty basic from what Ive noticed. body organs, rocks and minerals, energy, the solar system.

evolution covers three pages in her book. states the orgin of the universe results from the big bang. NOW children that our taught differently at home....naturally (if they thought about it) would start to question and develop some confusion at this point. why can not creatism have 3 pages.

My child goes to a Christian elementary school. They are not covering the Neanderthals because they don't believe in them. I covered the material with my child. I felt that my child should know what it's about. I'm going to take it year by year.

thats neat. i believe in knowledge from all angles...it helps me form my own opinions and avoid being brainwashed.

and likewise children should be given the oppurtunity to hear both sides of the debate.
otherwise that cant form their own opinion.

she goes to public school..i betcha this is one major difference in public/private schools. I do know in private schools kids are taught more about morals and family values. at least my friend that sends her children to a christian school told me that.

My son went to a private catholic school where they taught evolution because the Roman Catholic church(the LARGEST christian denomination) believes in evolution.

Pr'much already proven by looking at sequential fossil records. Here, I'll link you a picture. You seem like the type that needs pictures....

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/whaleevolution.gif Evolution of modern cetaceans

This happens over a very, very, long time. Longer than you can probably fathom.


One genetic disorder might not make a difference but a buildup of them over millions of years can.


/facepalm
I took the time to read your entire Bible, please take the time to learn basic biology.

Genetics don't work like that. You can't breed a cat and a dog together because they aren't the same family. Only animals within the same genus can breed like Tigers and Lions.

Even then you get the horrible monstrosity that is Ligers.
Oh wait, so science HAS created a new species by mixing two creatures together. +1 for science.


Read 'em and weep:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html

okay thank you. the animal kingdom. yup you cant breed and intermix them. I was actually being very SARCASTIC when i was talking about making a dog/cat.

because like you said you cant really mix animal species...

even genetic disorders dont come along the lines of creating a whole new species....although similiar types do breed or have been made to breed with eachother. the liger like u said. wolves and domestic dogs have also without human control...


and ya i looked at the lizards..i looked at it very quickly but ill go back. there lizard bodies started changing from the insides. yes but they are all still lizards correct???

As soon as I saw the image and banner at the top of the page I chuckled and knew this was going to be a good thread hahaha.

Yes, but they are now a different species of lizard. After a few million years they could become a different classification. It's just one step of many.

Over a short period of time you're not going to notice much of a difference. It's over a very long amount of time that you get a significant change.

Like...Um, example. Lets say you have a newborn baby. You see that baby everyday so you can't tell how much he's changing. You compare how he is today to how he was yesterday. Your relatives who don't see him often do notice a change, however.

Last time they saw him he couldn't drive a car.

Get it? =]

I agree with that. species evolve. our bodies themselves can change, grow and mutate all in their own or due to enviromental factors.
that is not a point I will argue.

im questioning the origin of all life. the beginning point. evolution does not answer the question clearly on HOW life originated. how so many different SPECIES exist. and unless your genetic makeup is very similiar..interbreeding is impossible.

im not buying a monster meatball theory.
and i dont believe that we evolved right out of star dust or any other inorganic matter. too many variables. neither theory can be proven scientifically.