Topic: why would a God have the "need" to create
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Mon 12/01/08 05:22 PM

Ya know, at this moment I am not absolutely positive about much except one thing. At some moment in the future, as I understand what "time" to be right now. If my plans work out, I will know exactly why God did any thing he did. I will simply ask him/her/?...!


"MartyMark" ...the fact that you rely on faith to solidify your beliefs contradicts you being absolutely positive about anything relating to God

you are assuming God will tell you when you ask ...he may not

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Mon 12/01/08 06:22 PM
then i'll have to leave it to others, in my readings of preterist views which make way more sense than scofields mooy's and darbys lies, all that was spoken of in revelations and by the prophets was fullfilled in AD 70, the church of christ reigns on earth now, there is no armeggedon - never was, in the fundie sense, the last judgement, [if it occurs at all] is thousands of years off, and i'm not concerened with it.

The only thing the church has to look forward to is is leading a christlike life here and now and then death and heaven acoording to my beliefs, there are no xtra goodies waiting for anyone.

THat said - i do think there maybe other scenarios where there is potential for the earth not lasting that long brought about by natural disaters, but they have nothing to do with god or the book.

fairy tail vs reality - ? the earth will eventually be destroyed by natural causes aided by mans stupidity.

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Tue 12/02/08 09:04 AM

then i'll have to leave it to others, in my readings of preterist views which make way more sense than scofields mooy's and darbys lies, all that was spoken of in revelations and by the prophets was fullfilled in AD 70, the church of christ reigns on earth now, there is no armeggedon - never was, in the fundie sense, the last judgement, [if it occurs at all] is thousands of years off, and i'm not concerened with it.


all that's going on is the de-evolution of the God Empire

yahweh was used to get rid of the roman and pagan gods ..Jesus and Buddha was used to get rid of Yahweh ..and Buddha and scientology will be used to get rid of Jesus

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Tue 12/02/08 09:07 AM


Ya know, at this moment I am not absolutely positive about much except one thing. At some moment in the future, as I understand what "time" to be right now. If my plans work out, I will know exactly why God did any thing he did. I will simply ask him/her/?...!


"MartyMark" ...the fact that you rely on faith to solidify your beliefs contradicts you being absolutely positive about anything relating to God

you are assuming God will tell you when you ask ...he may not


He wont because god is about as plausible as the "lint fairy". When you lose a tooth, he leaves you lint instead of cash because hes a cheap bastard. happy

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Tue 12/02/08 09:46 AM



Ya know, at this moment I am not absolutely positive about much except one thing. At some moment in the future, as I understand what "time" to be right now. If my plans work out, I will know exactly why God did any thing he did. I will simply ask him/her/?...!


"MartyMark" ...the fact that you rely on faith to solidify your beliefs contradicts you being absolutely positive about anything relating to God

you are assuming God will tell you when you ask ...he may not


He wont because god is about as plausible as the "lint fairy". When you lose a tooth, he leaves you lint instead of cash because hes a cheap bastard. happy


"Krimsa" ...there may be an alien entity that has read the Bible and decided that it will play like it is God

and "MartyMark" is require to follow the first alien enitity that claims to be God ..

the alien entity may or may not in fact be God but that doesn't make a different because believers are not permitted to doubt that the alien entity is not God if that entity claims to be God ...because for all they know the alien entity may be God

which means that "MartyMark" and others can ask the alien entity questions that one may ask to God as long as the believer believes that the alien entity is God

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Tue 12/02/08 10:12 AM
Plus, if the "alien god" has a dollar for miscellaneous baby teeth, then he is real enough.

Humans fear death. If you can provide them with the hope of eternal life (no matter how irrational) they will cling, thus the lint fairy will suffice.

Its positive reinforcement.

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Tue 12/02/08 10:17 AM

Plus, if the "alien god" has a dollar for miscellaneous baby teeth, then he is real enough.

Humans fear death. If you can provide them with the hope of eternal life (no matter how irrational) they will cling, thus the lint fairy will suffice.

Its positive reinforcement.


ah - religious duct tape huh?

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Tue 12/02/08 10:18 AM

Plus, if the "alien god" has a dollar for miscellaneous baby teeth, then he is real enough.

Humans fear death. If you can provide them with the hope of eternal life (no matter how irrational) they will cling, thus the lint fairy will suffice.

Its positive reinforcement.
waving flowers healthy way of looking at it!biggrin

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Tue 12/02/08 10:19 AM


Ya know, at this moment I am not absolutely positive about much except one thing. At some moment in the future, as I understand what "time" to be right now. If my plans work out, I will know exactly why God did any thing he did. I will simply ask him/her/?...!


"MartyMark" ...the fact that you rely on faith to solidify your beliefs contradicts you being absolutely positive about anything relating to God

you are assuming God will tell you when you ask ...he may not
not assuming, I just have to leave it at that. no way to prove it!

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Tue 12/02/08 10:42 AM

Plus, if the "alien god" has a dollar for miscellaneous baby teeth, then he is real enough.


only if the baby agrees to give 10 percent of every tooth dollar in tithes and 1/3 of every teeth dollar in taxes and willing to receive a spanking by it's parental guardian due to non-compliance of that agreement

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Tue 12/02/08 10:44 AM


Plus, if the "alien god" has a dollar for miscellaneous baby teeth, then he is real enough.


only if the baby agrees to give 10 percent of every tooth dollar in tithes and 1/3 of every teeth dollar in taxes and willing to receive a spanking by it's parental guardian due to non-compliance of that agreement


Right. Im okay with that " commandment." It sounds unreasonable enough.

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Tue 12/02/08 10:56 AM



Ya know, at this moment I am not absolutely positive about much except one thing. At some moment in the future, as I understand what "time" to be right now. If my plans work out, I will know exactly why God did any thing he did. I will simply ask him/her/?...!


"MartyMark" ...the fact that you rely on faith to solidify your beliefs contradicts you being absolutely positive about anything relating to God

you are assuming God will tell you when you ask ...he may not
not assuming, I just have to leave it at that. no way to prove it!


"MartyMark" ...no way to prove it????? ...I see that I'm going to have to give you some "how to be a good Christian" lessons

Step 1 ...don't say stuff like "you can't prove it"

Christians are taboo from saying that and besides that response is to logical and a thread killer ...you suppose to say stuff like " God give us his only begotten son" ...you know..give an answer that has nothing to do with the question

now do it the christian way or I going to tell Jesus on you

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Tue 12/02/08 11:29 AM
"IF" there were really A ULTIMATE POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE THAT MAKES MAN LOOK LIKE KIDDIES IN A PLAY POOL, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO DO TO MULTIPY ITSELF?

WHAT ENVIRONEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE CREATED?

WHAT WOULD THIS PRACTICE LEARNING GROUND LOOK LIKE?

FOR THIS TO BE SEEN, ONE WOULD HAVE TO FIRST DEFINE WITH CLEAR KNOWING WHAT ULTIMATE INTELLIGENCE COULD OR WOULD BE?

MAN OWN INTELLIGENCE FIRST GETS IN THE WAY OF HIS GOOD LOGIC AT THIS POINT........

PEACE AND GOOD WILL AND GOOD FORTUNE TO ALL MORTALS IS THE ONLY WILL OF ANY PEACEFUL GOD.......

ANY OTHER WORDS DIVIDE THE ONLY KINGDOM IN THE UNIVERSE.......OURS

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Tue 12/02/08 11:34 AM
Funches said:

Christians are taboo from saying that and besides that response is to logical and a thread killer ...you suppose to say stuff like " God give us his only begotten son" ...you know..give an answer that has nothing to do with the question

now do it the christian way or I going to tell Jesus on you


Jesus will smite you dead and melt your face off with lazier beams when he comes back to earth. Thats why Im busily installing "Jesus proof fencing" as we speak. Because Jesus will be coming after all the "bad people" so I need to head him off at the pass.

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Tue 12/02/08 11:47 AM

"IF" there were really A ULTIMATE POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE THAT MAKES MAN LOOK LIKE KIDDIES IN A PLAY POOL, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO DO TO MULTIPY ITSELF?

WHAT ENVIRONEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE CREATED?

WHAT WOULD THIS PRACTICE LEARNING GROUND LOOK LIKE?

FOR THIS TO BE SEEN, ONE WOULD HAVE TO FIRST DEFINE WITH CLEAR KNOWING WHAT ULTIMATE INTELLIGENCE COULD OR WOULD BE?

MAN OWN INTELLIGENCE FIRST GETS IN THE WAY OF HIS GOOD LOGIC AT THIS POINT........

PEACE AND GOOD WILL AND GOOD FORTUNE TO ALL MORTALS IS THE ONLY WILL OF ANY PEACEFUL GOD.......

ANY OTHER WORDS DIVIDE THE ONLY KINGDOM IN THE UNIVERSE.......OURS


"DavidBen" Peace like Love are both fantasies of the mind

what one may considered as being a situation of Peace and Love another may consider that same situation as being horror as people have died in the name of both


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Tue 12/02/08 11:59 AM
Edited by funches on Tue 12/02/08 12:00 PM

Jesus will smite you dead and melt your face off with lazier beams when he comes back to earth. Thats why Im busily installing "Jesus proof fencing" as we speak. Because Jesus will be coming after all the "bad people" so I need to head him off at the pass.


"Krimsa" I got to know ...what will the Jesus proof fence be made of ...I have one possible answer but would like to hear yours first so you can take the heat for saying it

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Tue 12/02/08 12:12 PM
old church buildings - he hates church.

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Tue 12/02/08 12:27 PM

old church buildings - he hates church.


he has a habit of turning over table and pews in them

but still not the answer I was thinking of ...come on "Tribo"..the answer is so obvious

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Tue 12/02/08 12:29 PM


old church buildings - he hates church.


he has a habit of turning over table and pews in them

but still not the answer I was thinking of ...come on "Tribo"..the answer is so obvious


hmmmmm? buddha barbed wire?

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Tue 12/02/08 01:19 PM


"IF" there were really A ULTIMATE POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE THAT MAKES MAN LOOK LIKE KIDDIES IN A PLAY POOL, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO DO TO MULTIPY ITSELF?

WHAT ENVIRONEMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE CREATED?

WHAT WOULD THIS PRACTICE LEARNING GROUND LOOK LIKE?

FOR THIS TO BE SEEN, ONE WOULD HAVE TO FIRST DEFINE WITH CLEAR KNOWING WHAT ULTIMATE INTELLIGENCE COULD OR WOULD BE?

MAN OWN INTELLIGENCE FIRST GETS IN THE WAY OF HIS GOOD LOGIC AT THIS POINT........

PEACE AND GOOD WILL AND GOOD FORTUNE TO ALL MORTALS IS THE ONLY WILL OF ANY PEACEFUL GOD.......

ANY OTHER WORDS DIVIDE THE ONLY KINGDOM IN THE UNIVERSE.......OURS


"DavidBen" Peace like Love are both fantasies of the mind

what one may considered as being a situation of Peace and Love another may consider that same situation as being horror as people have died in the name of both




"MAN'S OWN INTELLIGENCE FIRST GETS IN THE WAY OF HIS GOOD LOGIC AT THIS POINT........"

That pretty much says enough for me.