"Tribo" either you are now contradicting yourself or you must have realized your mistake ...

because either "Josephus" made an accurate prophecy or he didn't ..and since according to "Revelations" Jesus will be there at armageddon which is supposely a war that will take place here on Earth either proves "Josephus" prophecy as being inaccurate or that "Revelations" is inaccurate ...so ...er... which is it?

?? funch point me to where it states angels were killed???

ahh - the preterist also christians beleive armegeddon took place in AD 70 and also the rapture, not all believers hold to this future coming of christ, thats where i beleive the evangelicals are wrong. not a contradiction on my part, just a look at another held beliefs within the christian community. google preterist.com to see this held view.

"Tribo" and you show me where God let all the fallen angels back into Heaven

whether God "killed" "unmade" or made them flip burgers at McDonalds ..see it as you may ..my point was that they were no longer in Heaven and needed to be replaced for a possible War

"Tribo" we are not talking about preterist christians we'll talking about those good old fashion American Christians that believe armageddon is taking place after the Cubs win the world series so come on don't try to slip out answering the question and send me to some "google cut and paste" site ....

which is the accurate one ..."Josephus's Account" or "The Revelation Prophecy"

?? why would they need to be replaced? only 1/3 of them were kicked out? that leaves 2/3rds to fight for god? are you saying this almighy god [who really shouldn't need angels to do his fighting for in the first place] need's more than a 2 to 1 ratio to win over his created fallen angels?

personally - i beleive josephus's account, he had no reason to lie anymore than john did.

why would a omnipotent omniscience omniscient omni-whatever entity lack in it's existence that it would have a need to create ...the addiction of "want" and "need" are for those that lack control over themselves or their environment ..so why would a God have the need to create ... .... this is one of those questions that when asked no believer seem to be able to answer it

I'm still curios where this idea that God is going to fight Jesus comes from. There is a passage about the powers of heaven being shaken. But that took place between the crucifiction and the resurection. It was Christ defeating satan, not God fighting his half self (Jesus).

He doesn't. We are only here because of Satan's rebellion and the angels that went with him.

satan was already on the scene when Adam and Eve came to be.

They were just spoke or thought into existance yet as spirits they have no need for food or water or death yet.

We are a planned design. A gift to all of us to grow and learn having freewill just as the Angels have.

Was freewill created?

That is our choice to learn and decide whether we are going to be good or inherite the fallen Angels end.

We are in a learning phase. To learn for ourselves the consiquinces of sin not listening.

It must be hard for Yahweh to watch as we do this.

Just as it is hard for us when we tell our 3 y o do not touch..HOT..

Yet he does not listen and touches for himself and for not listening endures severe pain and we as parents endure that pain also.

But we know it is part of learning. He will not do that again.

We are in preparation for the day when satan and his demons are cast into the lake of fire forever and sin is known no more as we have listened and know better than to rebel against our father.

The angels see they were spirit they knew what gift they had but satan decided it was not enough.


So this time Yahweh said let us make man in our image and learn through the physical world to be complete in the spiritual world.

Then after Yahshua took on the sins of the world he opened up the Breathe of Yahweh which began man but this time as the Breath of a spiritual life coming on us as the wind putting the everlasting fire of Yahweh in us and speaking his spiritual words though that tongue of fire that came upon us.

Speaking into creation a new Temple made without hads more glorious than anything he has ever spoken into being.

US.. You and ME..

All we have to do is believe it and accept it obeying from the heart as we Love Yahweh with all our Heart and our fellow man as our self.

Spoken not created. Thought into existance not created.

We are the children of the everlasting Light that no Darkness can put out.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles

"Tribo" 2/3 of the angels are going to be no match against the billions of Christians on their way to Heaven ...and with Jesus leading them mean they are going to pull out a can of whoop ass on God and his forces ...

"MartyMark" ...the question should be if God is omnipotent there shouldn't have been a war in Heaven in the first place

God demand absolute laws and all Jesus preach is Love placing both in total conflict which means the holy spirit can not take sides or it's power can be tapped into equally by both Gods since that will neutralize the powers of both Gods it will become a war between the angels and the Christians

the angel through-out history may have killed for God but will be no match for the military warfare and brutality the christians have learned while they were in flesh

according to those statistics ..Jesus and his christian soldiers will win hands down ...unless God hire Satan and his legion

"Tribo" ...so are you saying that you believe that armageddon already took place

God had Jesus and the holy spirit to keep him compnay

funch, where are you getting your info from? where does it say that christians are going to battle angels in the last days? Armegeddon as you call it? show me please

Who said God demands absolute laws? it was a man, not God in flesh (Jesus), A mere mortal man. The first record there is of God in flesh so that there would be no disputing God's desires was the appearance of Christ. And yet we still are looking for a savior or something. News flash, he was here teaching us what we should and should not be doing about two thousand years ago. His message is still being taught by a few people, in that respect he is still here in spirit. Some will accept his way of teaching and some will not. I pity the people that will suffer at the hands of those who will not!

i'm saying there will be no armegeddon or rapture as it is taought yes, that took place on those whom it was meant to befall[the jews] back in AD 70 - if there is a final return it will be fore jesus to set up an earthly reign, not to do battle with angels, that has already happened.

As far as the evang and fundies go - their scenario is a rapture then jesus destroys the earth and makes a new one and then all the saved people come and regn with christ on earth - they dont go to heaven, for at least a thousand yrs [in my opninon they never go to heaven.]

either way i know nothing of a battle between believers and demons/ fallen angels.