Normally I would agree with you but the original old testament bible said a messiah(Jesus)would come and save the world.It talked in great detail exactly what happened(and it did happen according to the old testament)So unless you want to pick and choose what you want to believe,God already talked about Jesus and more to the point that after Jesus died the only way to get to heaven was to believe in him.Jews have been known to be incredibly stubborn.There is more than a few verses where God scornes the Jews and their refusal for change.

A good topic to debate would be...do Jews go to heaven?

GAWD, did someone call me, sorry I was busy trying to figure out why all these people are so worried about whether or not I exist. I can only come up with one answere. There must be alot of guilty consciences on earth. Guess it's time for a meteor shower again. But wait, this time around the diasours will thrieve again. Well thats good, that will keep the few humans busy enough to not make up any B.S. about what thet should or should not be doing! Yep that its, people witht to much free time cause they won't get out and be productive must be the real problem. Maybe if a few of the new one get eaten up by the dinasours, the rest will not allow themselve to become complciant about doing something for the preservantion of the hunam race. Yep, we'll try that one this time around, People and dinasours at the same time. That will be a lot of fun to watch, thanks Shakes.

GAWD, did someone call me, sorry I was busy trying to figure out why all these people are so worried about whether or not I exist. I can only come up with one answere. There must be alot of guilty consciences on earth. Guess it's time for a meteor shower again. But wait, this time around the diasours will thrieve again. Well thats good, that will keep the few humans busy enough to not make up any B.S. about what they should or should not be doing! Yep that its, people with to much free time cause they won't get out and be productive must be the real problem. Maybe if a few of the new ones get eaten up by the dinasours, the rest will not allow themselve to become complaciant about doing something for the preservantion of the hunam race. Yep, we'll try that one this time around, People and dinasours at the same time. That will be a lot of fun to watch. At lest that way they won't be trying to blame me for all the bad things that happen so they can scare others into paying for some kind of salvation when they get back here. Is there any way we can let them remember what is really going on up here. Yea, but that didn't do any good the first time. People just killed each other at the drop of a hat to get back up here where all the virgins are. Ya guess you're right, humans will always be in pursuit of sex first an formost. Is there any way we can just make them all real ugly so they won't do that. You mean uglier than they are now, wheesh, I doubt it. They already try to cover themselves up with a bunch of crap all the time. No that ain't just cause they're ugly, that so thet can charge for sex. Oh ya. it's hard to keep up with all there silly ass rules and why they have them, I forgot about that love of stuff/money thing. thanks Shakes.

"SharpShooter" so do you mean that it has become crystal clear to you why you should stone adulterers and unruly children to death

I suppose there may be some type of morbid benefit in being able to induce oneself to commit pre-meditated murder

"Thomas" Jews probably reject Jesus because Christians have proclaim him as being God and God said do not worship any other God but him and the Jews stuck to doing that ...probably one of the reasons why they are "The Chosen Ones"

Evangelical Christians do not accept that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old and so therefore they reject the notion of the ages including the entire Mesozoic period which would include the Cretaceous and Jurassic. This means that according to their beliefs, dinosaurs would have either never existed and are a vast conspiracy perpetrated by our scientists, paleontologists and public school teachers, or else they think that these highly predatory carnivores existed alongside man much like Raquel Welch in the classic film, "1 Million Years BC"

Evangelical Christians do not accept that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old and so therefore they reject the notion of the ages including the entire Mesozoic period which would include the Cretaceous and Jurassic. This means that according to their beliefs, dinosaurs would have either never existed and are a vast conspiracy perpetrated by our scientists, paleontologists and public school teachers, or else they think that these highly predatory carnivores existed alongside man much like Raquel Welch in the classic film, "1 Million Years BC"

Stop it!



No Jews dont even accept the invented premise of a heaven as far as I understand. But of course they are just being stubborn and insistent on having their own ways and centuries old beliefs. They have an "Olam Ha-Ba" or Afterlife.

"Tribo" wasn't the fallen angels known as the Nephilim all killed in the great flood

yep that's my point "fallen angels" you were saying that they had warred in heaven not destroyed on earth by a flood. they weren't fallen till they battled in heaven not earth - and none were killed either times - angels are immortal they have no flesh to kill off, there spirits.that's a biblical fallacy!The offspring were the men of reknown, they were killed in the flood - not the fallen angels.

I think those "men of renown" were where we get so many of our myths, mythology and such, other gods that men worshipped and stuff.

"Maikuru" the Tao still comes down to that basic question ..why would "The One" have a need to create the yin and the yang unless there were conflict within "The One"

well, God demands the death penalty for murderers and adulterers, I have no problem with that, If we did that without fail, people would see and these things would cease to exist amongst us.

Jesus was God in the Flesh. leading by example, not asking us to do anything that he would not do himself. If you have seen the son, you have seen the Father is in the bible, call him emmanuel, meaning, God with us.

yep that's my point "fallen angels" you were saying that they had warred in heaven not destroyed on earth by a flood. they weren't fallen till they battled in heaven not earth - and none were killed either times - angels are immortal they have no flesh to kill off, there spirits.that's a biblical fallacy!The offspring were the men of reknown, they were killed in the flood - not the fallen angels.

funches,
Who says there actually had to be any kind of conflict? I think the fallacy in your arguement is that you assume there was a condition in which there was a conflict that required creation. Think about it, your stating that there was even a need, who ever said creation was nesscary, perhaps you need to consider the viewpoint of an artist. Why would he create a painting? Becuase of some personal conflict he was having? Of course not the reasons could be numerous but in the case of an artist he was simply inspired to paint something. Your problem is that you are assuming what can not be assumed unless you were there at the time of creation.

"Tribo" everyone supposely have an immortal spirit... humans, angels Nephilm etc. ...humans and Nephilms were killed in the flesh ...so how do you kill an angel that has no flesh ...you "unmake" them ...and that is what God did to the fallen ones that he kicked out of Heaven

why would a omnipotent omniscience omniscient omni-whatever entity lack in it's existence that it would have a need to create ...the addiction of "want" and "need" are for those that lack control over themselves or their environment ..so why would a God have the need to create ... .... this is one of those questions that when asked no believer seem to be able to answer it