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the California citizens overwhelmingly voted just a few year ago to define marriage as a man and a woman. We got to the point we are at now through lawlessness and political activism at the hands of a true commmunist, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom.If gay marriage is to happen in California it can be done the right way and it has not occurred. Thats why I voted yes on 8, and for some reason it passed.
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meanwhile you're ignoring the fact that it was overturned not by "radicals" but by the CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT, and it was because they rightly judged it be UNCONSTIUTIONAL to endorse discrimination.
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meanwhile you're ignoring the fact that it was overturned not by "radicals" but by the CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT, and it was because they rightly judged it be UNCONSTIUTIONAL to endorse discrimination. |
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And how did this non-issue get to the supreme court?
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 i think im in love with Bushidobillyclub and ChefBadger ha ha ha
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And how did this non-issue get to the supreme court? Because they obviously didnt think passing discriminatory laws against constitutionally protected freedoms a non-issue. |
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Edited by
ChefBadger
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Wed 11/05/08 03:45 PM
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. |
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. Well I voted Yes....and I am sticking to that decision....It's all about state vs Church.....what is right and what is wrong...get married go to the courthouse and take vows to be with each other....But never in the eyes of the Lord will it be right.....And not discrimination JUST A COLD HARD FACT. Kids are taught and should be taught by their parents...And yes my 9 year did ask me after seeing all the commericials and saying...Mom is it ok for a man to marry a man and a woman a woman.....I had to explain it way before she should of known.....And it scared the crap out of her. Again freewill and choice...But again their are always consequences for choices we make in life. |
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Edited by
ChefBadger
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Wed 11/05/08 05:11 PM
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Uhh yeah
Im really happy for you that you got to tell your kid that the Invisible Sky Being would damn her soul for loving another person that just so happened to be of the same gender. 
Keep clinging to that falsehood that its a choice...hope it works out for you like it did for Newt Gingrich and D!ck Chaney. |
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. Well I voted Yes....and I am sticking to that decision....It's all about state vs Church.....what is right and what is wrong...get married go to the courthouse and take vows to be with each other....But never in the eyes of the Lord will it be right.....And not discrimination JUST A COLD HARD FACT. Kids are taught and should be taught by their parents...And yes my 9 year did ask me after seeing all the commericials and saying...Mom is it ok for a man to marry a man and a woman a woman.....I had to explain it way before she should of known.....And it scared the crap out of her. Again freewill and choice...But again their are always consequences for choices we make in life. |
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And this country was founded on principles like Freedom of Religon!!!You have the right to your beleifs, but they are just that..YOURS
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See this is the deal for me and me alone....Whatever the heck you people want to believe is totally up to you... First off to say separate church and state...Is so really truly putting your head in the sand....God is all over everything...There is not one thing on this planet that he doesn't know about. And in the end the government is going to mean jack diddly anyway....Because when Christ comes back he will be in charge. HE WILL BE THE GOVERNING HEAD OF THIS PLANET. From the beginning of time God had a part in bringing the great men into the government....Read Kings....Godly men are in every aspect of our government...take it out and do it your way......This is what I hear over and over....Well God will love me anyway....And this is true....Always God loves you.....the sinner which we all are....But not the Sin....never ever....and to think that your the exception to this rule....is just never going to make it so. God has standards for us to live by....so don't and pay the price. And not a scare tactic just a fact. Again don't believe do as you wish, think that because you love a woman and are a woman it's ok....same for a man and a man....But everything in life has a consequence so says the Lord. Look at the history of the United States of America and see how much God has always been part of it. Take him out and what then........Well we will see.....We will see.....and please read my piece in the thread HOPE...... if there was a god... y did he allow us to have soo many diff religions?!?! if there was god and he said love thy neighbor y did he put us to war? if there was a god y did has it come to this? tearing people apart just cuz one person wants to love the same sex and show it to him too with his love in there hearts? If there was a God.....correction There is God....Man made religion not God. God didn't put us at war....man did that. next.....This love is why the Lord gave us freewill...He doesn't want you if it's not of your own freewill....And people can love who they wish....but if it is a sin to God...please know that they will pay for the consequences of their choices.....again free will. ur belief if to have someone uve never seen and believe in a book that was supposedly writtin by his people... who by the way shunned a non believer (judus) so we as people of minoritys like gays and lesbians should feel the same? if god didnt want what we have now, a socity wanting to grow... we would still be in dark ages The Bible was written by man.....BUT INSPIRED FROM GOD.....No way God is going to have a book on how he wants us to live around for 2000 years if just written by man....I think not. And Judas was a total believer in Jesus and then betrayed him...And Jesus told him he was going to before he even did....And also Judas felt so guilty he gave back the money he received for betraying Jesus and then hung himself. And their is a big difference between rebellion and a society growing....Think about that if God said it way way back then....then obviously it happen so not a matter of being in the dark ages..More a matter of man's rebellious side.....Do it his way..Well no matter how you may justify it...Doesn't make it right. |
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. It had NOTHING to do with kids. |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Wed 11/05/08 04:29 PM
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See this is the deal for me and me alone....Whatever the heck you people want to believe is totally up to you... First off to say separate church and state...Is so really truly putting your head in the sand....God is all over everything...There is not one thing on this planet that he doesn't know about. And in the end the government is going to mean jack diddly anyway....Because when Christ comes back he will be in charge. HE WILL BE THE GOVERNING HEAD OF THIS PLANET. From the beginning of time God had a part in bringing the great men into the government....Read Kings....Godly men are in every aspect of our government...take it out and do it your way......This is what I hear over and over....Well God will love me anyway....And this is true....Always God loves you.....the sinner which we all are....But not the Sin....never ever....and to think that your the exception to this rule....is just never going to make it so. God has standards for us to live by....so don't and pay the price. And not a scare tactic just a fact. Again don't believe do as you wish, think that because you love a woman and are a woman it's ok....same for a man and a man....But everything in life has a consequence so says the Lord. Look at the history of the United States of America and see how much God has always been part of it. Take him out and what then........Well we will see.....We will see.....and please read my piece in the thread HOPE...... if there was a god... y did he allow us to have soo many diff religions?!?! if there was god and he said love thy neighbor y did he put us to war? if there was a god y did has it come to this? tearing people apart just cuz one person wants to love the same sex and show it to him too with his love in there hearts? If there was a God.....correction There is God....Man made religion not God. God didn't put us at war....man did that. next.....This love is why the Lord gave us freewill...He doesn't want you if it's not of your own freewill....And people can love who they wish....but if it is a sin to God...please know that they will pay for the consequences of their choices.....again free will. ur belief if to have someone uve never seen and believe in a book that was supposedly writtin by his people... who by the way shunned a non believer (judus) so we as people of minoritys like gays and lesbians should feel the same? if god didnt want what we have now, a socity wanting to grow... we would still be in dark ages The Bible was written by man.....BUT INSPIRED FROM GOD.....No way God is going to have a book on how he wants us to live around for 2000 years if just written by man....I think not. And Judas was a total believer in Jesus and then betrayed him...And Jesus told him he was going to before he even did....And also Judas felt so guilty he gave back the money he received for betraying Jesus and then hung himself. And their is a big difference between rebellion and a society growing....Think about that if God said it way way back then....then obviously it happen so not a matter of being in the dark ages..More a matter of man's rebellious side.....Do it his way..Well no matter how you may justify it...Doesn't make it right. |
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. *sigh* some people will never be open minded enough to realize any of this. |
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*sigh* some people will never be open minded enough to realize any of this. preach sista! |
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. *sigh* some people will never be open minded enough to realize any of this. like I said earlier...it's called principles... |
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Edited by
Winx
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Wed 11/05/08 08:11 PM
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I think the "no" would have won if they didn't try to puch it on kids that it was ok. Oh I love this... you have been quite mis-informed sir. * PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools. NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT. And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN! http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm edit: ummm and it is ok, and it doesnt harm children to be educated about homosexuality when its age appropriate for them to have sex ed. Education and information are the enemies of ignorance and fear. Which is why those against it wouldnt want their kids to learn anything but their own brand of intolerant brainwashing. *sigh* some people will never be open minded enough to realize any of this. Studies have shown that it is not a choice. Gay people are born that way. It bothered me so much when I heard Palin saying that she would accept her gay friend and the choice that she made to be gay. 
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we can go around this issue over and over again..But it all come down to each own individual...Just because something is in the bible or god said does not make something wrong or right...
The bible says not to steal but many do The bible says not to cheat but many do The bible says not to hurt others but many do so that means everything that is in the bible or said in a church is right and if thats the case all liars, cheaters, theives, gays, killers, and all the other things that are wrong should be illegal and arrested and then we would have all the good proper people in the world...I mean if this really is the case no one and I mean no one would be here...We would all be in prison.. People that will never happen let people be who they are I hear alot "love thy neighbor like you love thy self"... |
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Edited by
ChefBadger
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Wed 11/05/08 11:07 PM
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The Bible was written by man.....BUT INSPIRED FROM GOD.....No way God is going to have a book on how he wants us to live around for 2000 years if just written by man....I think not. Well by that fallacious standard you DO realize that Hinduism and Judaism both have texts that predate Jeezus by up to 12000 years... So I guess you should be following the Rig-Veda then eh? 
Keep trying to justify your discrimination. Hate the Sin and not the Sinner? Thats a load of condescending BS. Who are you to judge whats a sin? By taking literal assuptions from a poorly translated book of fables about a religion that was invented as a means of political control? Exactly how does denying a group of people CHOICE OR NOT, the same freedoms and rights you enjoy enhance the lives of ANYONE? This is the biggest problem I personally have with fundies: You arrogant d!cks think its ok to persecute and hate people cause your book of fables says so. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. |
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