Topic: Please list Gods ABSOLUTE laws...
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Tue 11/04/08 09:14 AM

Which God???



If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin



The proof is you exist.

The law is you exist.

There is no "which God."

There is only one.

You are the one.

You exist.


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Tue 11/04/08 09:15 AM
You may call me .....

"The One"

RoamingOrator's photo
Tue 11/04/08 09:33 AM
Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.

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Tue 11/04/08 09:43 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Tue 11/04/08 09:44 AM


Which God???



If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin



The proof is you exist.

The law is you exist.

There is no "which God."

There is only one.

You are the one.

You exist.




laugh

"i think therefore i am... God" - s1owhand

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Tue 11/04/08 09:56 AM
common house flies "get around " that one all the time.....


Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.

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Tue 11/04/08 10:15 AM

common house flies "get around " that one all the time.....


Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.



I will grant that bumblebees get around that law(no scientific explination on how they fly), but houseflies eventually fall prey to gravity. We can free ourselves of gravity too, but only for a short period of time.

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Tue 11/04/08 11:44 AM

Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.


pretty sure NASA and those that have walked in space may disagree

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Tue 11/04/08 01:26 PM

Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.


That is not an absolute law at all. It only exists within a three dimensional spacetime matrix and only under certain conditions.

I think an absolute law would have to exist everywhere.

Existence is the only absolute law.




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Wed 11/05/08 05:07 AM

If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


I would say gravity in a natural state is pretty tough to disprove. On this planet - it's an absolute.

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Wed 11/05/08 05:10 AM

If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


"The soul who sins is the one who will die."
Eze 18:4

Don't know how you're getting around that one either. That is an absolute.

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Wed 11/05/08 05:46 AM


If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


I would say gravity in a natural state is pretty tough to disprove. On this planet - it's an absolute.


"Eljay" an absolute exist everywhere ..gravity does not ...

believers wish to believe that God created the universe but then limit the universe to only what takes place on this planet ...

remember the pope says that it's ok to belive in aliens which means it's time to join the ranks of the scientologist-anity and move out into space

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Wed 11/05/08 06:23 AM
but you guys are limiting gravity to thinking it only exist in or around planets - atoms themselves have gravity, that's what keeps them together the orbits of the protons, etc. do you think there are no atoms throughout the universe? that space is void of atoms? you cannot conclude this without proof. Wherever gravity exist in what ever infinitesimally small amounts it maybe, it acts the same and it's purpose is always the same, imo.

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Wed 11/05/08 07:40 AM

Pretty sure his law of gravity is one you're not getting around.

Lack of understanding of a force of spacetime does not mean it is absolute.

It simply means that we do not have the understanding to fully manipulate that particular aspect of the physical reality.

YET!

And flies do not 'get around' gravity. They use energy to control their progress through the field. Once that energy runs out they are subject to an immediate encounter with the closest mass within the field. (they fall).

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Wed 11/05/08 07:46 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Wed 11/05/08 08:34 AM


If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


"The soul who sins is the one who will die."
Eze 18:4

Don't know how you're getting around that one either. That is an absolute.

Many Edits Later...

Wow, Eljay... Can you believe it?

I sort of agree...

With the exception that the soul isn't the one dying, but rather the mortal.

If every soul "sins" simply by virtue of becoming mortal, wouldn't their human form (of course) die?
Hence the word: mortality.

My "belief" is that there is a choice made by the soul (ahead of time) to become mortal. Why would a soul choose mortality? Perhaps to learn in this realm as only one could in the physical. Perhaps being human is like going to school.

One lifetime = One Semester (or) One Grade Year

With this as a possibility, couldn't it be that many people have an unnecessarily negative perception of "sin"?

Maybe "God's Laws" have been viewed/interpreted in a sort of reverse manner. Perhaps religion has the "Absolute" in "God's Absolute Laws" completely convoluted.

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Wed 11/05/08 07:49 AM


If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


"The soul who sins is the one who will die."
Eze 18:4

Don't know how you're getting around that one either. That is an absolute.


"Soul" never dies because its against the absolute law of existence.

To die, to not exist in some form would be impossible.

Perhaps individual souls may be stripped of their "person" and revert back to a single atom and start over from there.

That would be pretty bad.




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Wed 11/05/08 07:50 AM


If you can actually prove such a thing as an absolute law of god...smokin


"The soul who sins is the one who will die."
Eze 18:4

Don't know how you're getting around that one either. That is an absolute.

Not a law of god.

Law of a book written by men and attributed to god.

You can not die if you are more than this physical shell.

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Wed 11/05/08 07:55 AM
Gravity is limited to objects...the things about the laws of gravity is that it can be alter manipulated and/or cancelled out ...that why no laws of physics are absolute

also why did the laws of God suddenly change to the laws of physics when those laws doesn't acknowledge God

I figure by absolute laws that it was meant the laws that God set forth in scripture such as the bible not in the science books because in the science books none of Gods laws exist ..in fact God doesn't even exist in them

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Wed 11/05/08 08:22 AM

Gravity is limited to objects...the things about the laws of gravity is that it can be alter manipulated and/or cancelled out ...that why no laws of physics are absolute

also why did the laws of God suddenly change to the laws of physics when those laws doesn't acknowledge God

I figure by absolute laws that it was meant the laws that God set forth in scripture such as the bible not in the science books because in the science books none of Gods laws exist ..in fact God doesn't even exist in them



As Adventure begins said, the laws set forth in scripture are laws of a book written by man and attributed to a god.

I doubt that most people can even define God. I have to assume that "God" is that which exists. That which exists has only one law, and that is to exist.


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Wed 11/05/08 08:31 AM


Gravity is limited to objects...the things about the laws of gravity is that it can be alter manipulated and/or cancelled out ...that why no laws of physics are absolute

also why did the laws of God suddenly change to the laws of physics when those laws doesn't acknowledge God

I figure by absolute laws that it was meant the laws that God set forth in scripture such as the bible not in the science books because in the science books none of Gods laws exist ..in fact God doesn't even exist in them



As Adventure begins said, the laws set forth in scripture are laws of a book written by man and attributed to a god.

I doubt that most people can even define God. I have to assume that "God" is that which exists. That which exists has only one law, and that is to exist.


and "JenieBean"..haven't you also notice that "AdventureBegins" has a habit of saying "I AM" ...wouldn't you figure that his use of that term was derived from biblical scripture ...

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Wed 11/05/08 08:40 AM
Edited by tribo on Wed 11/05/08 08:41 AM
well if the book god does exist, then he would have created everything, thus gravity does relate to his laws, we look at laws from a perspective of our studies, but we did not create gravity, it existed before science, before us, in the books sense. so it is still talking of laws god put into motion, throughout his creation. it still is found in the smallest parts of existence as i said - within the atomic structure of atoms, therefore unless one can show that atoms are not throughout the universe my statement stands that it is at least universal in this universe.