"jennieBean" explain why the rules of laws and attraction isn't also part of the illusion you speak of

Man shall create me

Oh but they are part of the illusion!

They are the 'agreements' that skyhook is speaking about which stabilize and give integrity and duration to the holographic dream reality in which we live.

"JennieBean" if you and "Skyhook" accept that the illusion is an illusion but know that it's just an illusion then how can it be stable since it's not real but only a illusion ....for you to accept an illusion as being real is delusional

A personal dream is not normally considered "stable" or "real" by most people because is has a very short duration and it changes all of the time.

The term "just an illusion" implies that this environment is an insignificant or unremarkable manifestation. Its not. On the contrary, it is a very remarkable thing because it totally has most everyone convinced that it is the true reality.

How amazing is that??

It is not really completely "stable" but it is more stable than a single individual's lucid dream. Its amount of integrity, duration and stability depend upon the agreements made by the observers who participate and inhabit or "play" within the dream scape.

As I have said before funches (and I seem to find myself repeating this to you because you don't understand or read what I type)

I define reality as the personal experience and perception of the observers.

You said that for me to accept illusion as "real" is delusional. I don't except this illusion of reality as real, so I am NOT delusional.

JB

I'm not quite sure of what you're saying here, Funches.

Are you saying that there is only one set of laws, as taken literally from the Bible?

If so, how would it be possible to have a law be upheld and understood uniformly across the board with a nearly infinite number of perceptions?

"JennieBean" you said that you accept that a universal mind is creating the illusion that you exist in but yet there is no proof that this universal mind exist beyond your mind and/or faith ..

this universal mind can't be seen in the landscape that it supposely created and there is no proof that it actually created or in fact is projecting the landscape that you are perceiving but yet you believe it's there ...that is where the delusonal part comes in..

you are practically saying that someone else is doing the thinking for you ...they are projecting the landscape and other obstacles to manipulate your every choice ...so where is the free will

"Spendidlife" just like a judge will tell you that there is no excuse for "ignorance of the law" the same applies to the laws that Gods have set forth so it doesn't matter how the believer perceives them they just suppose to follow all God's laws to the letter mis-interpetion and all

if God said "Thou Shalt Not Kill" then don't kill ..etc. etc. etc.

You probably accept that you have a 'mind' and yet your mind can't "be seen in the landscape" either.

You have no proof that you even have a mind.

I have no proof that I have a mind either.

I have no proof of any collective or universal mind either.

I have never claimed that I have proof.

I only have speculation and considerations and temporary ideas and conclusions.

My premise is based on the comparisons I have made between my personal dreams and this reality.

The similarities between the basic structure of our dreams created by our minds and this reality have many similarities.

1.) Creates three dimensional space, people, landscapes
2.) Puts us inside of this three dimensional space operating in a body.
3.) Has some duration. (Length of time)
4.) Can be somewhat manipulated and controlled ~if it is a lucid dream.
4.) Sounds and senses from the outside (your reality) are blocked.
5.) The five senses are possible within a dream that match the dream scape, not your true reality: Touch, taste, sight, sound, smell, emotions.






Where 'other people' (or observers or players of the game) come in is in the 'agreements' they make that create and sustain a given agreed upon environment (or matrix) for the specific use of observers to experience this thing we call "life."

The group (or collective mind) connects together and 'agrees' and in doing so, creates the environment. Each participant contributes to its manifestation and each participant can effect the reality within the boundaries of the collective agreement that has been reached.

The WILL is inherent in all conscious observers and is always free. These observers may leave this environment and when they do it is for them like waking up from a dream.

In order to leave this dream reality you have to become lucid and realize that it is a dream and an illusion. But even when you do become lucid, you can decide to stay here. You can live here as long as the reality exists.

Its called "Lucid living."

This is when you will want to learn the law of Attraction and begin to practice your creative techniques because you can now manipulate the dream reality better than most.

jb

"JennieBean" if you have no mind then you have no thoughts to know you have no mind if you have thoughts then that would be proof that atleast you yourself have a mind ...since you now claim to have no proof of the existence of a universal mind you have yet to explain how you got this notion ...so far it looks like from a book



it sounds mostly that you and the others in your game have just become content to accept the present situation and not think beyond it ..either way you and the others in the game have created a system to place all the players on the same level of an illusion of life that is designed to make each player feel content ..but yet it remains an illusion....it sounds more like an addiction

When people ask for proof, I assume they want me to present proof for them ~~not for myself.

I know I have a mind, I just don't know what a mind is.

It is 'thinking stuff,' but it is not just a "brain."

What do you think a mind is?

I can't prove the existence of a mind to someone else because they cannot "see" a mind.

A "collective" or "universal mind" is a combined mind. It is also "thinking stuff." I cannot prove this exists either but some people call it the "subconscious" mind.

In 1910 Wallace D. Wattles said this about it:

"THERE is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe."

The idea of a collective or universal mind is in many books and yes I first heard of it from books.

Do you read books Funches?

I get my "notions" from evaluating many sources of information that comes into my awareness via books, movies, news, the Internet, dreams, ideas, etc. just like most everyone else. That is what a mind does.



For some, life is an addiction. They keep coming back for more.

"JennieBean"..a mind are your thoughts


well just tell the person a rational thought of yours and if that doesn't convince them ...then they have no mind


some people call it the borg ..resistance is futile


only ones with pictures in them


is the bible included in that selection


sounds like you are referring to the belief of reincarnation

Yes I have read a bit of it.




Yes I do believe in that. But it could also mean that spirit keeps manifesting as life forms within the dream scape. Spirit must like feeling alive and living life.

and "JennieBean"... if I was to ask do you have proof that spirits do this activity you will said no ...which is why it appears that with the books you have claim to read have combinated into you creating a fantasy world of non-proof that people refer to as being a religious belief

Please list Gods ABSOLUTE laws...




I don't have any.
but if you'd like to make some
i'd be happy to concider them
next time around.
your friend - GOD

So what's your point?

I am spirit. I believe in myself.

I don't identify with the body, or this illusion of realty.

"JennieBean" it that was true then you wouldn't bother to wear clothes eat drink take a dump or have sex ..er.. not necessarily in that order

As spirit I do find those things disgusting at times. I do wish it were not necessary to wear clothes, eat or drink and especially take a dump and have sex. eeww.. disgusting practices..... but in order to operate in this reality one of the things necessary is to have a body.

If you don't have a body, you can't live in this reality and living is the reason we are here. Living and feeling and experiencing pleasure and pain and facing the challenges of the game of life. That is why we are here.

And of course what I say is truth. I am the High Priestess of Brutal Truth and Honesty. I cannot tell a lie.

If you can't handle the truth funches, don't listen to the High Priestess.

JB

Which God, AB?





(Without creating a disturbance).....the Universal-energy-type-god-thingo (I'm allergic to labels )...is the best I can come up with, as relevant...is the ONLY ABSOLUTE LAW...

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with no conditions.

JB SAID:

And of course what I say is truth. I am the High Priestess of Brutal Truth and Honesty.

""I cannot tell a lie.""



TRIBO:

thats a lie!! so now how can i ever trust you again????????