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Topic: has the "big bang theory" become a religious belief?
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 02:57 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 02:58 PM
Sky you know you agree just admit it now! Ok! Ok! I can't handle the guilt any more! I admit it! I'm guilty! I did it ..... with the lead pipe ..... in the kitchen! see I knew "skyhook" needed therapy

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 03:00 PM
Funches WHY did they DEMAND a SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE???? WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! Because you are nuts and it was bound to be trouble. The church is a menace in that capacity. They weren't having it. Who can blame them??? "Krimsa"...there has never been a separate of church and state..it was impossible back then just like it's impossible today ... again you keep harping on the words and not the actions

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 03:06 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical Yeah I guess Im just basing this assertion on those wild an unfounded historical documents AKA the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 03:48 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical Yeah I guess Im just basing this assertion on those wild an unfounded historical documents AKA the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. yes "Krimsa" just like the religious base their assertions on what's written in the historical scriptures and the bible ....so what makes your assertions any different than theirs ...

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 03:51 PM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 10/27/08 03:52 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical Yeah I guess Im just basing this assertion on those wild an unfounded historical documents AKA the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. yes "Krimsa" just like the religious base their assertions on what's written in the historical scriptures and the bible ....so what makes your assertions any different than theirs ... Well what makes just inventing things up in your head in order to continue your pointless arguments not unlike a religion? Its the cult of Funche!!

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 04:03 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical Yeah I guess Im just basing this assertion on those wild an unfounded historical documents AKA the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. yes "Krimsa" just like the religious base their assertions on what's written in the historical scriptures and the bible ....so what makes your assertions any different than theirs ... Well what makes just inventing things up in your head in order to continue your pointless arguments not unlike a religion? Its the cult of Funche!! well "krisma" if my arguments are pointless then answer what other relgious holiday do you celebrate besides the christmas holiday celebrating the birth of christ do you celebrate....Ramanda? ...or do you just celebrate christian holidays

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 04:03 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical And what are you trying to say there? I didn't catch that the first time. You feel that the Deists had a bad influence? In what way?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 04:06 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical Yeah I guess Im just basing this assertion on those wild an unfounded historical documents AKA the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. yes "Krimsa" just like the religious base their assertions on what's written in the historical scriptures and the bible ....so what makes your assertions any different than theirs ... Well what makes just inventing things up in your head in order to continue your pointless arguments not unlike a religion? Its the cult of Funche!! well "krisma" if my arguments are pointless then answer what other relgious holiday do you celebrate besides the christmas holiday celebrating the birth of christ do you celebrate....Ramanda? ...or do you just celebrate christian holidays I celebrate Yule. Which other Pagan derived ritual celebrations do you observe? Easter? Do you like bunnies? Do you like bunnies that lay eggs?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 04:10 PM
As noted, we understand that 6 were Deists. It just so happens that those 6 were the higher profile members of Congress. Some of them were Christians also. I have never argued that point. They were colonists Funches. "Krisma" just because you believe 6 deist was high profile may in fact played a negative effect who can say ...all I know is that they were all influence by the judeo-christian belief ...for you to believe that their roots had no effects on their brand of god and decision making is illogical And what are you trying to say there? I didn't catch that the first time. You feel that the Deists had a bad influence? In what way? I was referring to what you said that 6 deists played high profile roles ..their presence could have in fact presented a negative impact on what was going on ..but either way we can only speculate the role they played and the influence their religious views played in that role

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 04:17 PM
I celebrate Yule. Which other Pagan derived ritual celebrations do you observe? Easter? Do you like bunnies? Do you like bunnies that lay eggs? isn't yule on the same day christmas is celebrated ..."Krimas"..are you sure you're not christian ..sure seem like it .. yep if someone give me a chocolate coated easter bunny I will surely eat it but not on saturday on beer night ..it may result in the production of methane

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 04:20 PM
I celebrate Yule. Which other Pagan derived ritual celebrations do you observe? Easter? Do you like bunnies? Do you like bunnies that lay eggs? isn't yule on the same day christmas is celebrated ..."Krimas"..are you sure you're not christian ..sure seem like it .. yep if someone give me a chocolate coated easter bunny I will surely eat it but not on saturday on beer night ..it may result in the production of methane In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. Hmmm. So you like to celebrate Pagan derived rituals huh? I do to. Yum.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 04:31 PM
And Easter: "The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were: Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus Ashtoreth from ancient Israel Astarté from ancient Greece Demeter from Mycenae Hathor from ancient Egypt Ishtar from Assyria Kali, from India Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility."

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Mon 10/27/08 05:01 PM
I think this thread could be answered by showing someone who believes this . . . I mean why not? People believe a lot of stuff that is rubbish in my mind. I think it would be great to have someone really take this argument and run with it. Id be like soooooo, you think the big bang is something to be worshiped? Do you think that if you pray hard enough to the big bang then you will get a pay raise? What about penance? Do you have to toss cash into micro black holes as a tithe? Is it necessary Every year to celebrate the big bangs birth day? What would it mean to worship something like a singularity? once again "Bushidobillyclub" you are off the concept of the original post ...I said that people treat the "One Singularity as a substitute for god in order to replace the one they had before they turned to science...not that they pray to it but to make then content Ok, so if you don't pray to it, you don't acknowledge some kind of consciousness, it didn't create us in any kind of directed way. Then is this really something that fills the same niche? I really don't think so. Does having knowledge make one feel better . .. I THINK so. Does that directly relate to religion? . . no I don't think so. Does religion make people feel like they have knowledge? . . . yes.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 05:09 PM
I celebrate Yule. Which other Pagan derived ritual celebrations do you observe? Easter? Do you like bunnies? Do you like bunnies that lay eggs? isn't yule on the same day christmas is celebrated ..."Krimas"..are you sure you're not christian ..sure seem like it .. yep if someone give me a chocolate coated easter bunny I will surely eat it but not on saturday on beer night ..it may result in the production of methane In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. Hmmm. So you like to celebrate Pagan derived rituals huh? I do to. Yum. "Krimsa" ..yule has been assimulated into christianity

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 05:10 PM
And Easter: "The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were: Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus Ashtoreth from ancient Israel Astarté from ancient Greece Demeter from Mycenae Hathor from ancient Egypt Ishtar from Assyria Kali, from India Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility." Easter now belong to the christians

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 05:19 PM
Ok, so if you don't pray to it, you don't acknowledge some kind of consciousness, it didn't create us in any kind of directed way. "Bushidobillyclub" ..you are equating knowledge with consciousness ...it doesn't take consciousness for a rock to one day fall off a cliff ..so why would the big bang need consciousness to take place also of course believers in the big bang have to believe that is what created them

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 05:25 PM Edited by Krimsa on Mon 10/27/08 05:26 PM
I never argued that point funches, just letting you know that these holidays (actually there are others as well) were assimilated and absorbed by the Christians. Halloween however is based in an ancient Celtic Pagan ritual and actually remains as such. I mean it hasnt been "adopted" as of yet.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 10/27/08 05:28 PM
I never argued that point funches, just letting you know that these holidays (actually there are others as well) were assimilated and absorbed by the Christians. Halloween however is based in an ancient Celtic Pagan ritual and actually remains as such. but the immediate relatives of the founding fathers wasn't dancing around nude in the forest worshipping a pagan God ..they were worshipping the biblical God of christianity

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Mon 10/27/08 05:30 PM
I never argued that point funches, just letting you know that these holidays (actually there are others as well) were assimilated and absorbed by the Christians. Halloween however is based in an ancient Celtic Pagan ritual and actually remains as such. but the immediate relatives of the founding fathers wasn't dancing around nude in the forest worshipping a pagan God ..they were worshipping the biblical God of christianity No they were Deists. Prove to me that a Deist is synonymous with a Christian and I will give you a cigar.