late 70's early 80's... Possibly having to do with globe or the peabody mines.
don't just take my word for it look it up... The internet is a wonderfull pool of data.

I guess the point is that we wouldn't need to walk around with guns if criminals didn't have them.....so the first step into getting guns out of criminals hands would be to make it harder for them to obtain them....I live in Texas,now I don't know about other states(and believe it or not Texas has more gun control than several other states).....but here you can BYPASS the crimnal background check law by simply purchasing a gun at a gun show.....the dealers there are considered "private" sales....so gangbangers can simply walk off the street and into one of these shows and purchase whatever they want....and just walk out that day with a gun....or multiple guns....there are AT LEAST 3 gun shows a month here......hmmmmmm....so yes, I would say a good start would be tougher legislation on purchasing and owning a firearm.....and then start working on getting the MILLIONS of unlicsensed and unregistered guns off the streets....

sorry Night - totally disagree, so long as there is a need/want/money they will be supplied both legally and illegally.

Not speaking on behalf of the criminals, for those will do as they want, but why should the rest of us responsible people have to do the hokey pokey to ease the minds of others who think everyone who owns a gun is a criminal - like saying everyone who owns a pen writes lies. jmo

I would counter with: Car Wrecks kill quite a few people, I would suppose then, since I can't assure myself that there won't be morons texting,eating, putting on makeup or worse drinking and driving, then we should remove vehicles from the road until they have recieved all the standards and training that you would get from being a MTA bus driver. Then you would have to promise everyone that you would never ever do anything that might endanger someone while driving your car.

My point is that it is currently WAY TO EASY for criminals to get thier hands on guns......and all these wannabe hip-hop gangstas can easily go purchase guns.....now think of this....dumb kid wannabe hip-hop gangsta who has no previous criminal background goes and easily gets a gun......he's now feeling like he's a bad motherf#cker.....a year later he gets in some stupid argument in some club and BANG!....at least two peoples lives are changed forever.....now he goes to jail and is hanging out with REAL criminals for at least a few years......what is he going to be when he gets out?.....all this could have been prevented if it was just a little bit harder for people to buy guns......once again I will say I OWN 5 GUNS and I absolutly love them!....and it really wouldn't be too much trouble for me to register them and have to take a safety course.....its not a big deal for those who are responsible......."with great power comes great responsibility" and guns should only be in the hands of those responsible and mentally stable enough to handle them....and I agree that it is a difficult task of getting guns out of criminals hands....but not an impossible one......how about this....go check out Englands gun crime rates where handguns are illegal and only sporting rifles and shotguns are allowed....I dare you all to come up with an answer for that....this outta be good!.....haha....and once again before you forget I OWN 5 GUNS and LOVE THEM

"Untimately responsible"????.....maybe you should have to pass a 5th grade spelling test before you own guns......hahaha

respect your views, but if I were to agree with how you think I'd also be giving up my right to bear arms because of the actions of others.

supply and demand - is the enemy not my carrying guns, where there is good, there is bound to be bad, nothing new. The criminals are the ones doing illegal activities, they are the ones putting fear in the hearts of others, taking lives not me and my guns

we can all try and justify with if's and scenarios so long as there is a need (legal/illegal) they will be supplied (legally/illegally)

I'm not saying you have to give up "the right to bear arms"......just that it should be a priveledge and we should treat it as so.....if you legislate it more the only people who have to give up the "right to bear arms" are the dumba$$es that shouldn't have guns anyways!.....whats the matter....are you too dumb or lazy too take a simple firearms safety course and maybe wait a few weeks to get your liscense?....oh boo hoo!....that just sounds terrible doesn't it?.....haha you people are ridiculous!.....

but here you can BYPASS the crimnal background check law by simply purchasing a gun at a gun show.....the dealers there are considered "private" sales....so gangbangers can simply walk off the street and into one of these shows and purchase whatever they want....and just walk out that day with a gun....or multiple guns


that's Same Way Here in Az! You Cna tell the ATF and FBI undercover Guys. if they Are there why Not have a background Check station at the Gun Shows? DPS could easily have one at All Gun Shows!

This is IT exactly. A criminal has a vested interest in having a gun, legal or not they are going to get one.

Laws effect law abiding people.

well said

whats so ridiculous, because I dont agree with your way of thinking - thats absurd.

If you legislate guns, the only one it would affect are the law abiding not the ones getting guns from alleyways or by any other illegal means.

I took the fire arms safety course, I waited for my application, I registered my gun... your way off mark with this post.

the only person who will be affected by laws and legislations are the law abiding not the criminal nor the one's with means.

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

-Adolf Hitler


No, NO REGISTRATION of firearms. i don't want the government knowing how many guns i have. Gun registration is the first step towards disarming us. When they can track them, they know where they are so they can seize them. At NO point will i ever register any firearm i have... I would rather buy illegally than register so i can be tracked like an animal.

Criminals will get firearms, no matter what. Even if they have to break into the homes of us lawful citizens and take them. There are always ways of doing this. Look at the black market.

We are trying to avoid tyranny guys. If i could take the next bullet so someone else doesnt have to i would. But this is a sacrifice we must all be willing to make.

No essential liberties should ever be comprimised, even if we were to achieve temporary safety...

Our forefathers would be turning in their grave if they knew we were having this discussion. Especially at a time like this...

know what? Smoking, car accidents, poor diet and lack of exercise all kill 3 times or more people than guns do, both accidental and nonaccidental. Why are we not fighting these issues first?

You are more apt to drown or die in a plane crash than to be killed accidently by a firearm.

Good, let them buy the guns... As long as we have our own, we at least have a level playing field.

There is no perfect system. NONE. But no registration and VERY little restriction is the least evil in every way possible...

By that method of thinking, we should have to take manditory classes and get a lisence to speak our mind. Freedom of speach ya know... Oh yeah, and the right to not have illegal searches and seizures, and the right to trial by jury should also require a lisence? These rights all fall under the same catagory. We have them to avoid tyranny. The right to bear arms is the second most important amendment we have. It is the safeguard of all other rights we have.

Lisences are privilages. Gun ownership is a right. No permit should be required.

I agree, as a law abiding citizen in Florida here I took classes, safety, filled out applications offered my first born because I am law abiding. Could have just as easily gotten one without the legal paperwork, but chose to do things legally.

Maine is luckily still really lax with gun laws. No registration required. Just a 10 minute wait for a background check for felonies. This includes pistols and assault rifles...

Concealed weapons permits are easy to get, and you STILL dont even have to register your firearm...

This is one of my state's few saving graces...

I took an oath a while ago. To defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. I won't break that oath. I would break the law before i broke it. No firearm i will buy will be registered. No one will disarm me, or anyone i know unless there has been a conviction for a felony. I take oaths seriously...

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