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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. OK love - i know the answer but i will becurteous and let QS do the talking. - 
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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. OK love - i know the answer but i will becurteous and let QS do the talking. -
“Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway?” “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” John 14:6 What do you think he meant????? |
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Jesus also said: 1. Bread “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger.” John 6:35 2. Light “I am the light of the world; he who fallows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.” John 8:12 3. Gate “I am the gate; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9 4. Good Shepherd “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for His sheep.” John 10:11 5. Resurrection and Life “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies.” John 11:25 6. Way, Truth, Life “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” John 14:6 7. True vine “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1 |
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Edited by
Eljay
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Wed 10/15/08 12:13 AM
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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. Though you asked QS the question - any christian would respond the same way. Did Jesus ever say it was his way or the highway? - Yes, he did. In the bible - John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me... This is a quote taken from the part of the gospel of John where Jesus explains that he will soon be going to the Father (the impending cruxifiction) and that He is the way to eternal life. He goes on to explain that He will send the Holy spirit to those who obey his commands. The discussion of your question is adressed in this, and subsequent chapters - from John 14 through chapter 16. |
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Eljay wrote: "Though you asked QS the question - any christian would respond the same way. Did Jesus ever say it was his way or the highway? - Yes, he did. In the bible - John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me... " agree.
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I'm gonna get hated on for this. But if it is true that there is a god and he created us and he is loving and good and can perform miracles. Well why wouldn't he be responsible. Aren't we people who make others responsible for their behavior?
If there is a god I make him responsible for not taking care of this mess we live in. If he is capable of performing miracles, then why hasn't he? If he loves us, why doesn't he make sure we are o.k.? |
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If there is a god I make him responsible for not taking care of this mess we live in. If he is capable of performing miracles, then why hasn't he? If he loves us, why doesn't he make sure we are o.k.? It's much easier for me to just accept that the whole concept is utter hogwash and completely preposterous. I'm trying to sound like a 19th century tycoon.... |
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Oh I think it is all hogwash too. If you look at it from a philosophical point of view, there is no way there can be a god. That is why I always ask religious people to help me figure it out. I would love for someone to find an argument that would prove me wrong.
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Oh I think it is all hogwash too. If you look at it from a philosophical point of view, there is no way there can be a god. That is why I always ask religious people to help me figure it out. I would love for someone to find an argument that would prove me wrong. Have you read Michael Onfray's "Atheist Manifesto"? Best book on the subject I've ever found. |
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Oh I think it is all hogwash too. If you look at it from a philosophical point of view, there is no way there can be a god. That is why I always ask religious people to help me figure it out. I would love for someone to find an argument that would prove me wrong. thus the reason for this post to begin with. no matter how hard they try they cannot squirm out if the FACT that their god created everything and is totally responsible for all that happens - as i say- to blame man or angels for sin coming into this world is an after the fact type of thinking/response!! had nothing been created there would never had been a potential for sin to ever take place - the buck starts and stops with god!! |
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No Lex I haven't but I will have to find that book. And Tribo they always give me the same answer of free will. Which is no excuse to me. It is a simple fact. If "god" is real and he loves his children, he would make sure they are kept from harm, and as far back as I have ever read in history it has been constant harm and war. So the truth is ..... God is not real because he does not accommodate all that we are taught he is.
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well as to "free will" my lady, to me it's in the same scope as my past comment, if god knows everything ans he himself has free will[which i don't think anyone will argue with here] he then also knew the dangers involved with creating a free will within mankind - or the angels, since lucifer supposedly sinned first, i would think this all knowing god would have stopped to rationally concider that man would or could do the same. my belief is that he wanted sin to enter in so that his overall plans could be met to provide a savior to man - himself - in fact if he did not know this would happen then he is not really all knowing!
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I personally think we are some huge experiment. I don't know what is going on anymore nor why, but I do know this is a cruel world and those who promote peace are treated like they have some disease and are quarantined or assassinated while those who spread hate spread it like the plague. I wonder what is really going on here.
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I personally think we are some huge experiment. I don't know what is going on anymore nor why, but I do know this is a cruel world and those who promote peace are treated like they have some disease and are quarantined or assassinated while those who spread hate spread it like the plague. I wonder what is really going on here. to me it's all about selfishness, every other wrong eminates from that and since my genratrion i have seen and continue to see here that each new generation has become more selfish and only think of themselves - a me me me type stance, this was not always so, now this does not mean all selfishness is wrong, but it is the reason i beleive we are expierencing what is presently happening in our world today. |
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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. Though you asked QS the question - any christian would respond the same way. Did Jesus ever say it was his way or the highway? - Yes, he did. In the bible - John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me... This is a quote taken from the part of the gospel of John where Jesus explains that he will soon be going to the Father (the impending cruxifiction) and that He is the way to eternal life. He goes on to explain that He will send the Holy spirit to those who obey his commands. The discussion of your question is adressed in this, and subsequent chapters - from John 14 through chapter 16. Thank you, Eljay... I pretty much knew I could count on this answer. I certainly haven't studied enough of the Bible to know what others have quoted Jesus as saying. Nor do I have the desire to search for these specific documentations. No need to search for words to prove right or wrong. I believe there's truth in ALL words. Look... I truly don't wish to take anything away from anyone's Christian experience. Humans have always used words and text to back up what fits for them. I wonder why, if this non-Christian wishes not to debunk a thing about a Christian's belief, a Christian might seem to have a need to debunk all beliefs other than Christian. |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Wed 10/15/08 02:33 PM
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I personally think we are some huge experiment. I don't know what is going on anymore nor why, but I do know this is a cruel world and those who promote peace are treated like they have some disease and are quarantined or assassinated while those who spread hate spread it like the plague. I wonder what is really going on here. Fear of Evil Promotes Evil... Demanding Only Good Promotes just the Opposite... Acceptance / Understanding of "good"/"evil" in Natural Balance Promotes Balance. Why do we tend to less place the label of evil on natural (undomesticated / wild animal) preditors? Perhaps it is because they're in balance with nature. They have not been plagued by the mind to judge all around them as either good or evil. |
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were talking on another thread about mans fall and some say its Satan who caused sin and others Adam and eve for eating and i who say it's god's fault!! So here's my case in a nut shell - god started creation, god knew how everything would go, god decided to allow sin to enter into existence - therefore god is responsible for sin.  
In creationism and the faith in God, yes, your deduction is truth. Of course there will be those who try to force "free will" down your throat but there is no free will in a religion. No matter how many times they say it and try to make it true, it is not. |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Wed 10/15/08 02:46 PM
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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. OK love - i know the answer but i will becurteous and let QS do the talking. -
“Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway?” “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” John 14:6 What do you think he meant????? Of course... This kind of proof comes from words written by a mortal... It Is Written... Therefore It Is True! Is the Bible actual law now? |
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that's ok BB, what im not sure of is are you asking QS this question above or me? i presume it's her correct? my answer as an x C - would have to be that they all can only see this their god as the father of christ/jesus, so thier is no room for belief in any other god who has a savior son, not jewish or muslim, it's thier way or the highway [of course they will refer to god as stating this also not their loving personal view of love the sinner hate the sin - hmmm?] The question was to QS. Was Jesus ever known for suggesting all must choose His way or Hit the Highway? That just doesn't seem like the Jesus I've learned about. Love the sinner, hate the sin... Human interpretation, I think. Though you asked QS the question - any christian would respond the same way. Did Jesus ever say it was his way or the highway? - Yes, he did. In the bible - John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me... This is a quote taken from the part of the gospel of John where Jesus explains that he will soon be going to the Father (the impending cruxifiction) and that He is the way to eternal life. He goes on to explain that He will send the Holy spirit to those who obey his commands. The discussion of your question is adressed in this, and subsequent chapters - from John 14 through chapter 16. Thank you, Eljay... I pretty much knew I could count on this answer. I certainly haven't studied enough of the Bible to know what others have quoted Jesus as saying. Nor do I have the desire to search for these specific documentations. No need to search for words to prove right or wrong. I believe there's truth in ALL words. Look... I truly don't wish to take anything away from anyone's Christian experience. Humans have always used words and text to back up what fits for them. I wonder why, if this non-Christian wishes not to debunk a thing about a Christian's belief, a Christian might seem to have a need to debunk all beliefs other than Christian. Splendidlife; As to your last statement - as a christian, I will respond, as I have a slightly different perspective on your observation. As to "debunking" christian beliefs, that is a matter to work out for yourself, as your understanding and belief - or lack of belief of christian concepts is not going to change my understanding or belief of them. My only concern is that if you profess an understanding of that which I believe as a christian, that you at least get it right as to what the concept is - so that you can make a decision about belief from an informed stance. In that, I will defend christainity when the concept is misrepresented. That is the extent of my concern though. It matters not to me if others have a belief other than christianity. I don't feel it necessary to debunk other beliefs, only when the pretext is that belief somehow "debunks" christianity. For instance - if one claims a belief in evolution, that does not support disclaiming the concept of creation as understood in christainity - for there is no more substanciated evidence for evolutionary "fact" than there is fact of the existance of God. So, I find that your perception of christians "needing" to debunk beliefs other than christianity, a "misrepresentation" of the agenda of a christian. The debunking is only necessary when the premise that the alternative belief is valid as an acceptable premise to debunk christianity. Then, it becomes a necessity to defend christianity against the false premise - not debunk the theory that attempts to establish it. |
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Edited by
GOALLTHEWAY
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Wed 10/15/08 03:26 PM
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I'm gonna get hated on for this. But if it is true that there is a god and he created us and he is loving and good and can perform miracles. Well why wouldn't he be responsible. Aren't we people who make others responsible for their behavior? If there is a god I make him responsible for not taking care of this mess we live in. If he is capable of performing miracles, then why hasn't he? If he loves us, why doesn't he make sure we are o.k.? A human life is very short when you look at the length of eternity. I mean really most people have a short term view of life. Every thing that you do and say and hear and feel will be gone one day and that will be that. One day your 13 years old the next thing you know you are 25 years old and then time seems to speed up and before you know it you are 60 and then 70 if you even get to live that long. Life is truly only for a short while. This world is not the reality of things as they truly are. Look at life as though it is a dream. It’s a very vivid dream but still just a dream. Before you know it you will wake up in eternity and that is where your experiences will start to become real interesting. Life is a test and it does not last very long. Don’t get so tied up in this place we call earth because you can not take it with you and that is truth. So dont worry, you and I will not have to live in this mess forever. |
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