Yes there are much worse, but god would not approve. Especially because the picture is deceptive..

I think he does like it Deb. Thats part of the problem. It is inciting Pagan lust amongst the men folk on forum. Soon they will be defiling themselves with the womenfolk.

You will go to hell for the big lie you told in your last sentence! lol

No man knows who will suffer when they meet God! That is God and God alone's place in this universe to be the final judge! We as christians are to carry his message to the best of our ability, plant the seed, and he will tend the crop! Remember the one verse in the bible that specifically states what God is? "for God is Love", one way we can carry his message is by not have a hateful attitude!

DEB SAID:

Yes God did and did not God tempt man all the time.......after Adam and Eve....did he not always test to see where loyalties lie....yes he did. And yes you are correct in this respect......but also God started with them in giving them free will did he not? yes exactly so I still stand by my original answer and that is they choose.

Tribo replies:

That's a have your cake and eat it to reply my ferrelpussie, "free will" was given "after" the fact - "the tree came first" not after A&E, free will plays no part in god putting evil in the way of A&E yes god is shown to test/tempt people as in job [another perfect example of god bringing in or allowing evil to corrupt], but that has nothing to do with "WHO" brought evil into the picture at first - that was none other than god himself. that is the post statement -


DEB:

And everything God did, or does is with purpose tribo...this is no difference.....he didn't create robots he created men whom he gave free choice. I would put myself there right now and if anyone tempted me to do anything against God....NO SIR RE NOT EVEN AN OPTION....


Tribo:

yes he does everything with purpose my point exactly!! he purposely placed a means for man to fall in their presence in the garden! they did not ask for this tree, they did not create it, neither did satan! "GOD" created and placed it there. free will has nothing to do with "WHO" provided the evil to begin with deb!! GOD, knowing that giving man "FREE WILL" set him up to have a no more than 50/50 chance of choosing right from wrong, add satan into the pic and you increase it dramatically, god was looking for man to fall he actually made it impossible for him not to!! It would have thwarted his over-all plans deb - he "NEEDED" to cause adam and eve to fall if he was eventually to bring about the "NEED" for humankind to have a savior!! had they not sinned there would be no need for a savior correct? so this whole story rest on a plot to bring about mans fall so it would be necessary to introduce a savior aka christ into the theme. with out this the book would have ended at genisis with they lived happily ever after!!

So to state that god is not "RESPONSIBLE" for bringing evil and then sin into the garden and world is just wrong!

as to you saying you would not have done as eve is an arrogant hind-site statement, if you knew what they knew and nothing else as they knew you do not know what you would have done remember no sin was done till the eating!! you would have no more info about the tree than eve had, and could have been tempted just as easy as she was as a new nieve person of what good and evil really meant. Think of it as new born children who have no real clue as to words they hear from their parents- dont do that!! you might get hurt. and yet they do it. they did not have the present knowledge or even the knowledge to really "KNOW" good from evil deb.

your last part is pointless to what i'm talking of the not useless, just of target.

Tribo.

So if your child goes and steals a car are you going to go down and tell the court that he did not do it that you did? Blessings

well to keep the scenario in tact - if I was responsible for making it so he could steal the car and then told him not to and he did - then yes that would be my resposability for having put him in a "tempting position" to do so.

Think of it this way miles - would my son have stolen the car if there was no car to steal???

yea but it could be any illegal action he may take. are you responcible for it?

your fighting a loosing battle my friend - no matter what illegal action he might take since I'm the police chief in the story [god] and i placed whatever things possible for him to act as he did in his path [to make him stumble] I am ultimately "RESPONSIBLE" for those actions being brought about.

again, i say if any or all those things he may do were not there to begin with - then yes I'm responsible for what comes about from his choices. for if they were not placed there by me no choice of sin could be made!!

Yea but being the police chief you had the respociblity for the laws. Should he not follow the laws with no consiquences?

In a way, yes, because if the child had been brought up different it might not have happened.
Is it not the parents that form a child in its early years?

Sorry love but everyone who asks knows it's not me...so no deception my sweet....try again......

so today parents should suffer the consiquences and not the child no matter what age because you trained him. They are inacting rules to parents of teenagers now. The parents are raising heck because they have noway of controlling them. If by force they go to jail and if a teenager committs a crime they spend time in Jail.. Some good laws..Miles

No, it depends of course on the age of the child.

With the coming of age you are still morally responsible,

but the child will have to suffer the consequences.

Remember the age of accountability in the other thread?

what type of police chief would i be to set in motion a law or laws that are doomed to failure by placing forbidden desires in front of my children and then saying don't touch, don't taste, don't eat don't steal etc.? would not a caring and concerned father if he was able not have such things around to begin with if he could? do "RESPONSIBLE" parents leave shiny new guns laying around and the tell their kids not to touch or play with them? Was this tree not more dangerous than any gun? If i make laws and then use them to MAKE my children sin what does that say about me?

Yea i know. I was mainly reponding with some scenerios for Tribo and i just thought of some laws city councils are making up for parents recently. That Patriot acts protects us you know. Sorry politics

Yeah sorry politics, but nowadays you can't even go to the loo without it

deb!! are you taking a stripper pole break or what? answer my lat posts please.

It says about you that you are holographic idea of God spawned by the harnessing of lower-self's greed converted into fear.