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Krimsa
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So are you selecting option 3 "It is finished" ? Or was he supposed to say all of these things as he was dieing? I mean being crucified is a horrible, torturous process in which you have to continually lift yourself in order to breath and normally victims aren't up for this much chatter.
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Edited by
tribo
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So are you selecting option 3 "It is finished?" Or was he supposed to say all of these things as he was dieing? I mean being crucified is a horrible, torturous process in which you have to continually lift yourself in order to breath and normally you aren't up for this much chatter. again - supposedly he said all of whats recorded of the gospels statements plus dont forget his conversation with the theif next to him also. or his conversation with john about his mother. etc.. |
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I would say he said both and when he said into your hands i commence my spirit i believe it says he died.. Blessings...Miles
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I would say he said both and when he said into your hands i commence my spirit i believe it says he died.. Blessings...Miles yeah and if you count the actual words its really not that many even if he did only live for a few hours a few sentances in a few hrs - yeah thats possible even with the pain - he had suffered more than just the cross. |
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Hmm. Well if you say so. Its not very likely however. Especially since he was thought to have been severely scourged for hours by the Romans before being hung up so that would have caused a fair amount of blood loss. Then if you believe the story that he fell on the walk to the site of the execution with the weight of the crucifix on his back, about 100 lbs which bruised his heart. That would have eventually caused an aneurysm and is thought to be the reason why he did not live all that long on the cross. Long enough to engage in a fair amount of lucid conversation evidently.
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When the Roman centurion punctured his chest to make sure he was dead and take him down, supposedly a great deal of fluid under pressure shot from the wound which would have been consistent with an aneurysm.
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When the Roman centurion punctured his chest to make sure he was dead and take him down, supposedly a great deal of fluid under pressure shot from the wound which would have been consistent with an aneurysm. understood my lady, but as i say if you look at what all he said it was really not that much- say them to yourself as you read them and see how long it takes - a minute @ # / not long- so i see it as viable not out of the ball park so to say but do-able. |
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Yeah, perhaps. He was probably mumbling a whole lot. Who knows. Its just in the bible they dont make it clear at all. Its in three separate sections.
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The things he said was prophecy that he would say and what would be done.
Judas selling him out for 30 pieces of silver. The roman soldiers dividing his garments as he has expensive ones on because of him being called the king of the Jews. Asking for water and them giving him vinegar. The Ps 22 Quote. Them looking upon the one they had pierced saying truely this was the son of Yahweh. Some say the crown of thorns that was put on his head sybolised the Goat on the Day of Atonement haveing a crown of thornsput on his head then being taken and led into the wilderness( this is in the book of Barnabas that is talked about in another thread) to die with the sins of the people on him. It goes on and on the prophecies his last day of his life that were fulfilled to show who he truely was..Shalom...Miles |
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Jesus Ramblings
Anyone who is not against you is for you. Anyone who is not with me is against me. Anyone who is not against us is for us.  Hmmm ???
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The things he said was prophecy that he would say and what would be done. Judas selling him out for 30 pieces of silver. The roman soldiers dividing his garments as he has expensive ones on because of him being called the king of the Jews. Asking for water and them giving him vinegar. The Ps 22 Quote. Them looking upon the one they had pierced saying truely this was the son of Yahweh. Some say the crown of thorns that was put on his head sybolised the Goat on the Day of Atonement haveing a crown of thornsput on his head then being taken and led into the wilderness( this is in the book of Barnabas that is talked about in another thread) to die with the sins of the people on him. It goes on and on the prophecies his last day of his life that were fulfilled to show who he truely was..Shalom...Miles get it straight my friend - The things he said was prophecy that he would say and what would be done. Judas selling him out for 30 pieces of silver. The roman soldiers dividing his garments as he has expensive ones on because of him being called the king of the Jews. Them looking upon the one they had pierced saying truely this was the son of Yahweh. These were not things he said while on the cross. |
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Ok ok.. Boy u don't let nothing get by do u..
    
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Ok ok.. Boy u don't let nothing get by do u..
i try not to -to many take scripture out of context on here and you know as well as i that leads to turning people away.
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well all those things if not said happened within 24 hrs of his death that had to happen and he did not influence any except what he said..Shalom...Miles
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well all those things if not said happened within 24 hrs of his death that had to happen and he did not influence any except what he said..Shalom...Miles it could be claimed that he influenced judas when he told him to go and do what he must do, but its not a good arguement. |
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself? choice my friend......always always that is what you will have........and who chose wrong....hmmmmmmm and who to this day chooses wrong...Not God, but man.......God wants you of your own free will.......and that just like with Christ when he was in the Desert and had nothing to do with satan and his givings and tempting him.....and Christ did what.....He chose right...... My dearest ferallkitty, if god controls everything then how do i have free choice / free will? as i keep stating - if i'm god and i am in charge of this scenario were discussing, and I "ALLOW" this scenario to take place, knowing who will win, then how am i not at fault? Have you heard the word - "FOCUS"? well try to focus on this point instead of going on about what ISH. says about lucifer. this is the scenario once more: It's a hot and steamy evening in the garden of eden. barely a breeze, and lil miss eve is out with adam to gather some delicious georgia peaches[i like peaches ] and this upright creature adorned and bejewled[according to ISH]. comes strolling towards her nonchalantly and ask how she's doing[ i like to be dramatic and i also think he had sylveter stallone's voice - hey Adrianneeeeee] and eve say's fine and satan replies - hey. did not god tell you you could eat from all the fruit trees? and eve answers well yes except for the golden georgian peach tree in the center here? and they all lived happily ever after amen! the point is ferral - god is in charge of everything always and he is the one who set up the scenario he allowed it to take place and this is also true of creating lucifer, and all other men that later did evil things - if he had not brought them into existance in the first place then sin could not have entered into existance correct? God Control I would not say that.....God the creator I would say. God let all humans have free choice to choose him or not.....Like you don't know this already....your trying to trick me huh tribo...gigglesnort. See tribo that is where your off....because God give us "Free" choice he doesn't know what your going to choose. What makes you think that God would know what is to happen..of course not silly man. Now of course God would want you to make right choice...but the choice is "yours" And if she had chosen to not eat the golden georgian peach then of course NO SIN and NO FALL of man.....But she did eat from it.....so the price they had to pay. Pretty simple huh Mr. Doesn't take rocket science like all think. God did NOT NOT NOT SET UP THE SCENARIO.....Adam and Eve let satan tempt them even when they should not have......Was Christ ever ever ever tempted by satan...And did Christ make the right decisions yes......Did Adam and eve? No so there you have it....and no matter how many way to sunday you say it....IT WAS MAN THAT FELL from grace and man to blame..... Did you bother to read at all what I wrote......because again all the answers are their for the reading....that way I don't have to keep repeating myself...ahhhh that would be a beautiful thing. Sin entered through satan.....and just like with Christ they could of chosen to not let it in...sadly they did....and the price for that ignorance they surly did pay. |
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself? choice my friend......always always that is what you will have........and who chose wrong....hmmmmmmm and who to this day chooses wrong...Not God, but man.......God wants you of your own free will.......and that just like with Christ when he was in the Desert and had nothing to do with satan and his givings and tempting him.....and Christ did what.....He chose right...... My dearest ferallkitty, if god controls everything then how do i have free choice / free will? as i keep stating - if i'm god and i am in charge of this scenario were discussing, and I "ALLOW" this scenario to take place, knowing who will win, then how am i not at fault? Have you heard the word - "FOCUS"? well try to focus on this point instead of going on about what ISH. says about lucifer. this is the scenario once more: It's a hot and steamy evening in the garden of eden. barely a breeze, and lil miss eve is out with adam to gather some delicious georgia peaches[i like peaches ] and this upright creature adorned and bejewled[according to ISH]. comes strolling towards her nonchalantly and ask how she's doing[ i like to be dramatic and i also think he had sylveter stallone's voice - hey Adrianneeeeee] and eve say's fine and satan replies - hey. did not god tell you you could eat from all the fruit trees? and eve answers well yes except for the golden georgian peach tree in the center here? and they all lived happily ever after amen! the point is ferral - god is in charge of everything always and he is the one who set up the scenario he allowed it to take place and this is also true of creating lucifer, and all other men that later did evil things - if he had not brought them into existance in the first place then sin could not have entered into existance correct? God Control I would not say that.....God the creator I would say. God let all humans have free choice to choose him or not.....Like you don't know this already....your trying to trick me huh tribo...gigglesnort. See tribo that is where your off....because God give us "Free" choice he doesn't know what your going to choose. What makes you think that God would know what is to happen..of course not silly man. Now of course God would want you to make right choice...but the choice is "yours" And if she had chosen to not eat the golden georgian peach then of course NO SIN and NO FALL of man.....But she did eat from it.....so the price they had to pay. Pretty simple huh Mr. Doesn't take rocket science like all think. God did NOT NOT NOT SET UP THE SCENARIO.....Adam and Eve let satan tempt them even when they should not have......Was Christ ever ever ever tempted by satan...And did Christ make the right decisions yes......Did Adam and eve? No so there you have it....and no matter how many way to sunday you say it....IT WAS MAN THAT FELL from grace and man to blame..... Did you bother to read at all what I wrote......because again all the answers are their for the reading....that way I don't have to keep repeating myself...ahhhh that would be a beautiful thing. Sin entered through satan.....and just like with Christ they could of chosen to not let it in...sadly they did....and the price for that ignorance they surly did pay. of course i read what you wrote briefly - here's why - you were off topic on bringing in what went on outside of what the op was about. 
that said - i read what your saying now i know it was man who fell - i know it was satan that temted - but again who started this scenario? satan? adam and eve? or god!! to blame the creation for what god put into motion is crap. the buck stops and starts with god, he is resposable for everything that exist and everyuthing that he created - are you now saying he's not? 
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself? choice my friend......always always that is what you will have........and who chose wrong....hmmmmmmm and who to this day chooses wrong...Not God, but man.......God wants you of your own free will.......and that just like with Christ when he was in the Desert and had nothing to do with satan and his givings and tempting him.....and Christ did what.....He chose right...... My dearest ferallkitty, if god controls everything then how do i have free choice / free will? as i keep stating - if i'm god and i am in charge of this scenario were discussing, and I "ALLOW" this scenario to take place, knowing who will win, then how am i not at fault? Have you heard the word - "FOCUS"? well try to focus on this point instead of going on about what ISH. says about lucifer. this is the scenario once more: It's a hot and steamy evening in the garden of eden. barely a breeze, and lil miss eve is out with adam to gather some delicious georgia peaches[i like peaches ] and this upright creature adorned and bejewled[according to ISH]. comes strolling towards her nonchalantly and ask how she's doing[ i like to be dramatic and i also think he had sylveter stallone's voice - hey Adrianneeeeee] and eve say's fine and satan replies - hey. did not god tell you you could eat from all the fruit trees? and eve answers well yes except for the golden georgian peach tree in the center here? and they all lived happily ever after amen! the point is ferral - god is in charge of everything always and he is the one who set up the scenario he allowed it to take place and this is also true of creating lucifer, and all other men that later did evil things - if he had not brought them into existance in the first place then sin could not have entered into existance correct? God Control I would not say that.....God the creator I would say. God let all humans have free choice to choose him or not.....Like you don't know this already....your trying to trick me huh tribo...gigglesnort. See tribo that is where your off....because God give us "Free" choice he doesn't know what your going to choose. What makes you think that God would know what is to happen..of course not silly man. Now of course God would want you to make right choice...but the choice is "yours" And if she had chosen to not eat the golden georgian peach then of course NO SIN and NO FALL of man.....But she did eat from it.....so the price they had to pay. Pretty simple huh Mr. Doesn't take rocket science like all think. God did NOT NOT NOT SET UP THE SCENARIO.....Adam and Eve let satan tempt them even when they should not have......Was Christ ever ever ever tempted by satan...And did Christ make the right decisions yes......Did Adam and eve? No so there you have it....and no matter how many way to sunday you say it....IT WAS MAN THAT FELL from grace and man to blame..... Did you bother to read at all what I wrote......because again all the answers are their for the reading....that way I don't have to keep repeating myself...ahhhh that would be a beautiful thing. Sin entered through satan.....and just like with Christ they could of chosen to not let it in...sadly they did....and the price for that ignorance they surly did pay. of course i read what you wrote briefly - here's why - you were off topic on bringing in what went on outside of what the op was about.
that said - i read what your saying now i know it was man who fell - i know it was satan that temted - but again who started this scenario? satan? adam and eve? or god!! to blame the creation for what god put into motion is crap. the buck stops and starts with god, he is resposable for everything that exist and everyuthing that he created - are you now saying he's not?
ahhhh tribo I thought you were more intelligent then this....let's re-examine what we have learned in the past. satan was God's right hand angel satan thought he was better then God Big Big mistake God banishes satan satan goes to the garden of eden tempts Adam & Eve they fall for it...... THEY SINNED THEY WERE THE START OF THE FALL OF MAN. THEM GET IT.....THEM ADAM EVE SATAN NOT NOT NOT GOD. God's only part in it was the consequences for their action...... God being responsinble for everything that exist has nothing to do with what "THEY DID" GOd wants us to make the right choice.....we don't we pay regarding the original OP like they ever stay on topic that is just laughable and It was not I that brought up Genesis 3........I just thought if your going to debate on it then by golly have it there for all to see.....I am smart like that...giggle. |
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself? choice my friend......always always that is what you will have........and who chose wrong....hmmmmmmm and who to this day chooses wrong...Not God, but man.......God wants you of your own free will.......and that just like with Christ when he was in the Desert and had nothing to do with satan and his givings and tempting him.....and Christ did what.....He chose right...... My dearest ferallkitty, if god controls everything then how do i have free choice / free will? as i keep stating - if i'm god and i am in charge of this scenario were discussing, and I "ALLOW" this scenario to take place, knowing who will win, then how am i not at fault? Have you heard the word - "FOCUS"? well try to focus on this point instead of going on about what ISH. says about lucifer. this is the scenario once more: It's a hot and steamy evening in the garden of eden. barely a breeze, and lil miss eve is out with adam to gather some delicious georgia peaches[i like peaches ] and this upright creature adorned and bejewled[according to ISH]. comes strolling towards her nonchalantly and ask how she's doing[ i like to be dramatic and i also think he had sylveter stallone's voice - hey Adrianneeeeee] and eve say's fine and satan replies - hey. did not god tell you you could eat from all the fruit trees? and eve answers well yes except for the golden georgian peach tree in the center here? and they all lived happily ever after amen! the point is ferral - god is in charge of everything always and he is the one who set up the scenario he allowed it to take place and this is also true of creating lucifer, and all other men that later did evil things - if he had not brought them into existance in the first place then sin could not have entered into existance correct? God Control I would not say that.....God the creator I would say. God let all humans have free choice to choose him or not.....Like you don't know this already....your trying to trick me huh tribo...gigglesnort. See tribo that is where your off....because God give us "Free" choice he doesn't know what your going to choose. What makes you think that God would know what is to happen..of course not silly man. Now of course God would want you to make right choice...but the choice is "yours" And if she had chosen to not eat the golden georgian peach then of course NO SIN and NO FALL of man.....But she did eat from it.....so the price they had to pay. Pretty simple huh Mr. Doesn't take rocket science like all think. God did NOT NOT NOT SET UP THE SCENARIO.....Adam and Eve let satan tempt them even when they should not have......Was Christ ever ever ever tempted by satan...And did Christ make the right decisions yes......Did Adam and eve? No so there you have it....and no matter how many way to sunday you say it....IT WAS MAN THAT FELL from grace and man to blame..... Did you bother to read at all what I wrote......because again all the answers are their for the reading....that way I don't have to keep repeating myself...ahhhh that would be a beautiful thing. Sin entered through satan.....and just like with Christ they could of chosen to not let it in...sadly they did....and the price for that ignorance they surly did pay. of course i read what you wrote briefly - here's why - you were off topic on bringing in what went on outside of what the op was about.
that said - i read what your saying now i know it was man who fell - i know it was satan that temted - but again who started this scenario? satan? adam and eve? or god!! to blame the creation for what god put into motion is crap. the buck stops and starts with god, he is resposable for everything that exist and everyuthing that he created - are you now saying he's not?
ahhhh tribo I thought you were more intelligent then this....let's re-examine what we have learned in the past. satan was God's right hand angel satan thought he was better then God Big Big mistake God banishes satan satan goes to the garden of eden tempts Adam & Eve they fall for it...... THEY SINNED THEY WERE THE START OF THE FALL OF MAN. THEM GET IT.....THEM ADAM EVE SATAN NOT NOT NOT GOD. God's only part in it was the consequences for their action...... God being responsinble for everything that exist has nothing to do with what "THEY DID" GOd wants us to make the right choice.....we don't we pay regarding the original OP like they ever stay on topic that is just laughable and It was not I that brought up Genesis 3........I just thought if your going to debate on it then by golly have it there for all to see.....I am smart like that...giggle. Sorry to disappoint you on your take on how intellegent i am deb, i wish i could be smart like you - but alsa it wil never be 
but in my ignorance let me say again - who created adam and eve and then put them on satans way? who allowed satan to be in the garden? who but god can take reposability for all that has taken place in this world? who is the creator and who is the created? who has the ability and the power? who is resposable for starting this whole creation thing? you? |
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I see alot of people found the church key!
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