They are googling "Ways to make non-believers believe" Give them a minute....

actually i think they would like it there, i`ve been there twice and i was impressed

is it just for floppy eared dogs or for people like me also?

If only that was an option!!

cats, dogs, and people. and for the religous, they even have a few churches

How is the humidity in Hell? Is it tropical? Do they validate?

I was only there once, Satan got a restraining order against me.... All I remember is the hand cuffs....

humitdity is at 25%, temp right now is 69F and sunny with a breaze coming in from the SE at 3mph

Sounds wonderful! Sigh me up. A while back Feral posted something about hell being in the center of the earth. Somewhere between the outer core and inner core. It was written in like this suedo scientific manner.

no need to sign up, you can visit there any time you want. just wouldnt advise visiting in the winter when it freezes over...lol

the mark of the beast is nothing more than being born mortal, having only about 10% of the brain avialable for cognitive use, but not knowing it, simply because one cannot know what one has no point of reference for, so not able to access what any greater logic would or could be.....

if all mortals born, since the beginning of time, have somehow believed in something grander, and there is nothing, then trillions have all been as ignorant, minds as useless faulty mechanisms, so then why have not this GOD or these "gods" destroyed all mankind as faulty.......

if in text, it say flesh is destroyed, than all text that speaks of destruction of flesh must be considered, and if they are, then it is seen this is not saying a "negaitve", but rather a good thing, that there is as a harvest, along the path of civilzation, at points along the way, for the WORK of those that have completed, to be OVER....

do we not have many ancient stories with much evidence that many civilizations down thru time as disapppeared, but only after leaving this uncanny wisdom left behind as evidence, as great intelligence aquired is shown in what many ancient cultures built..........

science has also indicated there is such evidence, as a mark in the forehead, the logic of good and bad, the lobe in the brain that asign all things into TWO DISTINCT CATEGORIES, or what make for the WORSHIP of good and bad to access all things, so as to place A VALUE based on good and bad, self definition leading the way always, and basically, this "good and bad guide" or "morals", is made up of all that oneself did not like that happenned to self along the way, which end up then as all the opposite of what self liked, it what self see's as good, and all else is said to be bad......

to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, never seeing that a lie MUST exist, for there to later come any understanding of the goodness of no lies......

murder had to exist, for there to come to be any viable point of reference of the good of no murder......

what has any human ever learned from good?

is it not the crap that happens that teach any mortal, and why mortal life was called as seperated from god, as mortal hell at times, as crying and bemoaning many times, but indeed, there can be no wisdom created without both GOOD AND BAD, but the mark of good and bad logic as the only spirit to see thru, as a holy spirit, that divide all things into evil and not evil, is removed by something greater than self, as who can see without this filter......

is not the earth founded on such principles, so then just the opposite of WHAT COULD BE....

if man forgets that man could have been born mortal, without any ability to act on free will, with no ability do good and bad acts, than man has forgot just exactley what could be as possible.......

yes, man acts on free will, but if ONE man had ALL FREE WILL, then NO OTHER HUMAN COULD HAVE FREE WILL AS WELL, AS ANOTHER HAVING VIOLATES THE PREMISE OF TOTAL FREE WILL AS ALL POWERFUL FREE WILL......

yea, the free will to make a decision, that will WORK FOR ONESELF in any given situation, but there are MANY FACTORS OUTSIDE OF MANS CONTROL, so NO MAN HAS TOTAL FREE WILL, rather just the greatest will of one, that as one, has very little power.....

can one make evil.....

can one make good....

if there is nothing else in existence but ONE, then there is no good or bad even possible, as all good and bad is defined on the premise of NOT VILOLATING OTHERS FREE WILL, OR STEALING THEIR FREE WILL, BY MAKING ONE'S OWN FREE WILL AS HAVING MORE VALUE THAN ANOTHERS, AND SEEMS WHY IF IT WAS SAID LOVE THY ENEMY, OR THY "NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF"........

so if there is good that exist in any human, than it is for bad to be sent to good, to teach good, but then does not the thief learn not to steal, and the one stolen from learn to forgive, so which is greater, the thief or the one stolen from......

is not this the very essence of the reason humanity is born mortal, as to come to a place where there is no longer sight of love as give to get, as this is love that hates what mistreats self, and determines the hate list, or list of bad peoples, or evil peoples........

no different than the thinking that the present life was supposed to be fair for some reason, and all things spoken about mortal life were telling of how it would naturally feel as NOT FAIR, and that each human was as an angel, a copy or mortal half of original greater self, that control the essence of all things, creating an illusion of good and bad, as evil and god, to allow the living expereince of good and bad......

one cannot tell another how to ride a bike with the most knowing, less oneself has ridden a bike.....

one cannot speak of how to abolish evil or bad, less oneself has some experience with it oneself, and if there is true sight of all things reacted to within a any lifetime, and it is not seen that a different "reaction" was ALWAYS POSSIBLE, THAT COULD HAVE CREATED BETTER, than there is no sight that what any human see's is as manipululated reality, partial reality......

indeed, if man is only using a small fragment of the brain, then mankind would by default not be seeing about 90% worth of reality, or environment, certainly a most notable fragment then of all possible to see as missing....

would account for much of history repeating itself, as over and over, but then does not each thing as repeating show a pattern, a certain aspect of things learned by each ancient civilization........

civilization prospers, gains wealth, see's self as superior, tries to convert all enemies, enemies destroy.......

seems the whole thing could never have been about being a good or decent person, except to the individual of self, seeing this as the greatest good for a time, or "god" would have destroyed mankind, but then there never was just one god, for it was even said there were MANY gods, but have none before the TRUE god, so god be what is TRUE, and nothing more.......

if there is greater truth, then this by no means says that words spoken in times past are lies, but the "definitions" mankind has assigned to them simply shows the intent and motive of the heart when reading or hearing......

such notions of all things being made as either good or evil envoke a logic peered thru, that keep any sight of greater purpose from being exposed, or avilable to mortal sight to use........

certainly it is seen these words in text were only describing a "state of being" had if one enters into the earthly realm as a mortal?

is not the mark in the hands the physical labor, as all man's accomlishments are marked with WHAT HE CAN DO WITH THE MIND AND HANDS, and building must be done with physical effort, and was not adam cursed TO WORK AND TILL THE SOIL.......

no more than to say, you get no free pass on having to work ofr oyur dinner for awhile, so you know what it is like to have ALL AT ONE'S DISPOSAL, AS CERTAINLY IT IS SAID ANY GOD HAS, LOL........

in other words, each mortal will be sent to school, to a place where their is competition of survival of the fittest.......

cast from the garden to earth......

why is the term garden used, except for the fact that a garden is where things GROW.......

if self is as divided in two parts, as mortal and immortal, then actually, immortal self is learning just as mortal is learning, BUT EACH ARE LEARNING OF OPPOSITE REALMS, BY EACH EXITING IN THE OPPOSITE, then heaven or immortality unite with what mortal and hell created, and the two are as one........

all these things are clearly written in text, so if there are other interpretations, than each find his own, as TEXT IS SAID TO BE OF NO PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, but then certainly, all manor of personal interpretations are used to deem all other belief's as evil and of untruth.....

these are just the things seen from one simple ignorant perception, and are of no stating others are wrong, as what is wrong, as what is seen today, if it is new understanding, always make yesterday as wrong........

besides, mankinds memory is controlled, since we can neither turn it off, or turn it ON COMPLETLEY, so there is no ability "naturally" to access anything without BIAS, so no whole answers possible........

for the notion of god to be as condeming good and evil, god would have allowed all memories to be fully functional, having all ability to pull up all past expereince, and this is simply not possible in mans first state, so then how was NOT all mortal man as sheep led to the slaughter, just as was said, lol.......

you don't get your memory totally, about 10% to use, and if you **** up, your going to hell....

yea, hell, as each one goes to when there is huge regret that come from seeing the negative impact on anohter's life......

ther is not a human alive, that is NOT EFFECTED BY YESTERDAY, and yesterday, having to be enerted into today, pollutes today with all yesterdays failures, so less these could consciously be controlled, which they are not, as they are IN once IN, then all one knew, was all one had heard and seen, which is controlled by ENVIRONMENT......

is not man a fraction of the size of environemnt, but somehow, the human brain, acts and thinks it is CONTROLLING ALL ENVIRONMENT, like his decisions are are making it all, and this is ONLY true in theory, IF ALL ARE MAKING DECISIONS TOGETHER.......

but certainly, it is seen, one was popped out into a reality, that they may or may not have been duly taught to understand, and if they were taught or not taught, who decided this.....

there is no mortal that does not have FORETHOUGHT controllling conscious thought, and such forethought is unrecognizable and indistingusihable, and defines all words heard as believed and not believed, and puts into definitions.......

the words heard are all as pure, and could have many different meanings, and certainly it is seen that each word has a opposite meaning possible, and the definitions picked by oneself one does not even know why, as to say one knows why, could only be said AFTER one believed anything believed, which is then BIASED OPINION, speaking of something only AFTER it has occured.....

man is doomed to bias, and memory control, which is perception control, and why EINSTEIN SAID JESUS WAS NOT DIVINE, but only experiencing mortal, as mortal, or it would NOT HAVE BEEN FAIR, as an unfair advantage, which goes against the premise of ALL HUMANITIES NOTION OF PERFECT, like ONE seeing the future or speaking one on one to "all knowing" or his "god" to get the inside scoop, AND THIS MAKE ONE BETTER, LOL..........IMPOSSIBLE

making "jesus" as BETTER, are of opposite of all words jesus said, in seeing and making others equal to self...........

is it not apparent that if jesus "seen" any greater truth as a prophet or seer, it was HOW ALL WERE CONTROLLED BY SOMETHING GREATER, AND WHY ALL HIS WORDS WERE JUST TRYING TO HELP ERASE THE "NATURAL PERCEPTION" THAT ALL THINGS MORTAL ARE EITHER GOOD OR EVIL?

if it is thought that all things here are in the image of god, and man learn, but god or one's own angel, does not learn as well, by the SEEING OF ALL ONE'S OWN MORTAL EXPERIENCE, then the two realms would not be as in the same image......

indeed, what man has done in all times past, shows where man came from in origin, and just what the afterlife is comprised of........

mortal ****ing up is part of growing, and it was never about there BEING A CHOICE ABOUT BEING DECIEVED along the mortal path, and no doubt the "beast" could easily be said to be deceit, but then there would have to be included into this equasion, that "all are born into the world speaking lies"..........

so then if one believe in text, all have the mark when born, as ALL WERE SAID "TO BE BORN INTO THE WORLD SPEAKING LIES"

so if one tells a fabricated lie, then this practice is no longer?

it seems it was said this CONDITION was even as ALL, then it simply meant born into the world never knowing all the truth of all things, and BELIEVING MORTAL LIES TOLD, AS TO SPEAK A LIE, ONE MUST HEAR A LIE'S.......

so who has lied....

all of history, as it is only humans that use the term "lie" in one dimensionsal ways, but truly, if i practice as an attorney, and have no law degree, then i live and speak all lies, even IF ALL MY WORDS SPOKEN WERE AS TRUE........

so ig all purtort to speak truth, but truly have not ALL TRUTH, then it could be the same as all speaking lie's, but THEN ALL WERE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK AS LIE'S, AS WHO CONTROLS ALL EXCEPT GOD, for any man that believe in god, would have to rememeber it said, NO MAN HATH GREATER WILL THAN GOD, so mankind was not to know all the truth, as if one's lives out a book, the END cannot be told, or the living out of a book would be as NOT REAL.....

NO DIFFERENT, than if i am rich, and use none of my money for a few mon ths to see hwo it is to be poor......IMPOSSIBLE, as one FEELS DIFFERENT, AS THEY KNOW THERE IS MILLIONS IN THE ACCOUNT, SO NOT THE SAME.......

if a mortal brian has no possible way of unlocking itself to a greater connection to itself, or it's own gaurdian angel, than it is called to be living with LESS sight than what is avilable, or to live in sin, so sin being nothing more than "mortal status" in essence, as MANY claimed to have sin, after they were so-called saved, but if there is then any saving, it could not be from evil as a boogie man, other than the boggie man of believing in LIES, as retold down thru the ages, that since many have believed, they are deemd as truth, as HOW COULD SO MANY BE DECIEVED, but then if there is seen to be many decieved, then IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ONE TO SEE WHAT DECIEVED SELF, as the deception if SO GRAND, IS NOT PARTIAL TO ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL, as it is the great illusion, as it is all we see as reality, and if one cannot count on reality, then what comfort have the mind in anything.....

man knows the reality he is ALLOWED TO SEE......

reality of mankind, make for reality created, but if there is infinite possibilites available, that no mortal mind can imagine, to come as true, then no mortal mind know what they be in advance, as it appears even "jesus" knew not the whole plan and reason for all, or he would nebver have said, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME...........

SO IT SEEMS, HIS GOD DECIEVED HIM........

DAVID, DAVID, DAVID, is there some way you could sum this all up in a sentance or three -

I've been asking for that for months and months now....

admire your wit and sense of humour, Lily...

Tribo's too....

thnx MS, but back to the point - is it not true that if god had not started all this there would be no sin?

David....do you know WHy Jesus said on the cross,

"My God My God , Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?"

Cause that was when Jesus was taking on and bearing all the Sins of the World...and God could not look upon the Face of Sin.

God and Sin don't mix....

so at that moment Jesus spoke those words, He was bearing all our sins on that cross....taking our place..so we would not have to bear our sins anymore....

God took our place on that cross... ....out of His Great Great Love for us All

Then all of my sins have been paid for, and I don't ever have to do the right thing again. SUPER.

I cant even tell what the last words of Jesus were exactly. Its so contradictory. Look at this.

Okay we have Option 1

Matthew 27:46

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" That is probably the most common and what we hear rattled off a good portion of the time.

Option 2

Luke 23:46

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Option 3

John 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.



How many times did this guy get crucified exactly?

3rd times a charm.

seriously according to theologians all 3 things were said - john wrote what was brought to his remeberance and the others the same - not a conflict if looked at in that way, but i understand your confusion.

think his last words were....

"hands first hands first"

but what do I know?

or maybe "Oklahoma, Bologna, Pepsi...what the f*ck was the safe word?"

I'm going with one of those....