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Since it was brought up let's just study this and people tell me what this means to them...... Genesis 3 1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [a] and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." 20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.  Well Ark, your wrong!! now I'll tell you the same ambiguous crap you tell me - go read it again and this time open your eyes and spiritual ears!! and this time take al things into account - its a shame you spent that much time coming up with the "WRONG" answer.
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And that doesn't surprise me......gigglesnort
Since it was brought up let's just study this and people tell me what this means to them...... Genesis 3 1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [a] and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." 20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. It sounds to me that the apples contained some sort of payote, and that Adam and Eve were high. |
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Well Ark, your wrong!! now I'll tell you the same ambiguous crap you tell me - go read it again and this time open your eyes and spiritual ears!! and this time take al things into account - its a shame you spent that much time coming up with the "WRONG" answer.
I have to agree with you here Tribo, if you believe the story told, it happened when they saw each other naked and knew they had to cover up, WAY before God asked the question. Good thing I just think they were on Payote, and were tripping... |
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Basically the fall of "MAN"
Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... |
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Yeppers the Lord had a lil word with me about you ark.....He asked me to go read everything you have said again......you better be very very careful casting your stones Mr.
Since it was brought up let's just study this and people tell me what this means to them...... Genesis 3 1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [a] and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." 20 Adam [c] named his wife Eve, [d] because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. |
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Basically the fall of "MAN" Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... So then God created sin, and in His all knowing power knew it would come to that.... hmmm very interesting indeed. |
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Basically the fall of "MAN" Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... He didn't "slither" into the garden, he was upright until god cursed him. he did not arrive by coming by one day, god placed him there. he was "allowed" by god to do what he did, and god did not stop him from doing so, if it was "gods plan", then how could they have not been tempted and fell - so if any one is to blame, it is god not man or satan.If i put a beetle and a scorpion in a glass tank what do you suppose will happen my lady? THINK!!! 
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God didn't "create" sin.....See very simple and a whole new outcome had Adam & Eve listen to God and not eaten from the Tree of Knowledge.....So was it God that brought it on Man or Man that brought it on himself? that is much more interesting.......
Basically the fall of "MAN" Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... So then God created sin, and in His all knowing power knew it would come to that.... hmmm very interesting indeed. |
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God didn't "create" sin.....See very simple and a whole new outcome had Adam & Eve listen to God and not eaten from the Tree of Knowledge.....So was it God that brought it on Man or Man that brought it on himself? that is much more interesting....... Basically the fall of "MAN" Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... So then God created sin, and in His all knowing power knew it would come to that.... hmmm very interesting indeed. I'm going to direct you to Tribo's post, it seems he has much more of a grasp of what happened than do you. |
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God didn't "create" sin.....See very simple and a whole new outcome had Adam & Eve listen to God and not eaten from the Tree of Knowledge.....So was it God that brought it on Man or Man that brought it on himself? that is much more interesting....... Basically the fall of "MAN" Adam & Eve did not know evil until satan slithered into the garden.....they were nakid and then were ashamed.....Why is that? hmmmmmm could it be sin..... So then God created sin, and in His all knowing power knew it would come to that.... hmmm very interesting indeed. Who, my dear lady, "set up" the scenario so it could take place? Satan? If i put a scorpion in with a defenseless beetle do i not know what the outcome will be? your talking a supposedly remarkable being this Satan of yours was he not the most intelligent creature god made? so did god not know what would happen pitting Satan against man? you want to blame man but you cant - free will and all - if i put you up against the craftiest man on earth in a given field that i know you can not win against - how AM i not responsible for what i know the outcome will be? The very fact that god allowed Satan to be in the garden under any circumstances means he intended for man to fall, he is the deceiver. |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Fri 10/10/08 12:00 PM
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Are you sure about that tribo......sorry love but God did not put satan in the garden of eden.
Immediately after this Satan declares with emphasis, "I will make myself like the Most High." Why "the Most High"? God has many names. Why did Satan choose this particular name to express his ambitions? Here is the key to the pride of Satan. God is revealed as El Elyon, the Most High God, and in this character he is 'the possessor of heaven and earth.' This is what Lucifer wanted to be. His rebellion was not a request for God to move over so that he might share God's throne. It was a thrust at God himself. It was an attempt to put God out so that Satan might take his place as possessor of the heavens and the earth." Clearly, when Satan appears in Eden in the guise of the serpent to tempt Eve and Adam, it is a renewed attempt to further this ambition. Having failed to take heaven, he is nevertheless determined to consolidate his hold on earth through earth's inhabitants. The second prominent feature of the Isaiah passage is Satan's fivefold repetition of the words "I will." He said, "I will . . . I will . . . I will . . . I will . . . I will . . ." This feature gives insight into the nature of sin and possibly into the reason why God permits it and its accompanying evils in His universe. Suppose for some reason that the word "sin" was suddenly eradicated from the English vocabulary, and suppose we still had the task of telling men and women about their need of God and of God's work of restoration through Christ. How could we go about it? One way we could go about it would be to speak of "sin" as the existence of a contrary "will" in God's universe. Before Satan's fall there was only one will. It was God's will; it was perfect. After Satan's rebellion there were two wills-Satan's and God's-but, of course, only one of the two was perfect-God's. When Adam and Eve were created there was an immediate problem as to which of the two they would follow. Satan thought he would get Adam and Eve to follow him. Although he got them to rebel against God, he did not succeed in getting them to follow his will. So, there were now four wills, each going its own way and only one of them (God's will) remaining perfect. In time there were six wills, as Abel and Cain were added. Then there were sixteen wills and thirty-two and sixty-four. Today there are billions of wills, which explains the constant conflicts in the human race. But it is still the case that only one, the will of God almighty, is perfect and totally desirable. Satan has been trying to fashion these rebellious and mutually hostile wills into a kingdom, but with very few exceptions he has been monumentally unsuccessful. God's permission of evil allows this truth to become increasingly evident. But what Satan cannot do, God does. In Christ He is drawing the wills of His people back to Himself and establishing harmony where there was chaos before. That is why Paul admonishes us to be "transformed by the renewing of" our minds so that we will be able "to test and approve what God's will is" (Rom. 12:2). It is why he says, "We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ" (2 Cor. 10:4, 5). Only God can give harmony. Satan cannot. Satan has power to tear down, but he cannot build up. He can divide, but he cannot bring together again. Actually, even his names show this. "Lucifer"-his name before his fall- means "the bringer [or bearer] of light," a reference to his role as reflector of God's glory. But "Satan" means "adversary," and "devil" means "disrupter." The last name is based on two Greek words: dia, meaning "through" or "among," and ballo, meaning "to throw." The devil is the one who from the beginning has been attempting to throw a monkey wrench into the machinery of the universe. READING THE BOOK Satan has been "unsuccessful," but this is in terms of his ultimate goals only. In many cases, as in the temptation of Eve and Adam, he has succeeded. He is a dangerous foe, "a roaring lion looking for someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8). The Christian must be on guard against him. How shall we do that? One thing we must do is learn about him. In the movie Patton there is a scene in which for the first time the American general encounters the tank corps of Germany's North African army under command of the brilliant German war strategist Rommel, the "Desert Fox." Rommel's tanks have been destroying the western armies. But Patton out thinks him and is waiting for Rommel with an ambush. The "Desert Fox" is routed, and Patton, who has succeeded by studying Rommel's writing, is jubilant. He laughs and says, "Rommel, you son-of-a-gun, I read your book." Patton defeated Rommel because he knew his enemy. In the same way, although Satan has not given us a war manual, God has; and we are therefore forewarned against Satan and his strategies. The limitations of Satan are worth talking about in detail. To begin with, he is not omniscient. God knows all things, but Satan does not. Above all, he does not know the future. No doubt he can make shrewd guesses because he knows the nature of man and has observed history. The so-called revelations of mediums and fortune-tellers---when they are not outright deceits---fall in this category. But this is not true knowledge of what is to come. God stated this in a challenge to all false gods, saying, "Present your case...Set forth your arguments...Bring in your idols to tell us what is going to happen...Declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods. Do something, whether good or bad, so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear. But you are less than nothing and your works are utterly worthless" (Isa. 41:21-24). Satan is not omnipotent. He cannot do everything he wants to do, and in the case of believers he can do only what God will permit. The great example here is Job, who was safe until God lowered the hedge He had thrown up about him, and even then God did this for His own worthwhile purposes and kept Job from sinning. Satan is not omnipresent. He cannot be everywhere at the same time tempting everyone. God is omnipresent. He can help all who call on Him, all at one time. But Satan must tempt one individual at a time or else operate through one or more of those angels, now demons, who fell with him. This means that while the Christian must never ignore or underestimate Satan and his stratagems, neither must he overestimate him. Above all, he must never do this to the point of taking his eyes away from God. God is our strength and our tower. He limits Satan. He will never permit a Christian to be tempted above that which he is able and will always with the temptation provide the way of escape that he may be able to bear it (1 Cor. 10:13). We will stand against the temptations of Satan only if we are united to God through the Savior and draw near to Him. Apparently neither Eve nor Adam sought such union; so they fell. But we, though far weaker than they, may stand because we stand in the power of Him who defeated Satan by His victory on the cross and who will return one day to judge him and confine him to the lake of fire forever (Matt. 25:41). Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through Adams transgression, then for God to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But God had a better way. A way of Redememption. THINK!!!
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW?
I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? |
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. |
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. Give us some answers that arent completely laughable and nonsensical and maybe you will get somewhere. |
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself?
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. Give us some answers that arent completely laughable and nonsensical and maybe you will get somewhere. sorry dan the answers will always be the same, today, tomorrow and forever.....If you don't like the answers....oh well such is life. |
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. Ya, but you contridict yourself alot in there, so I want answers one by one.... |
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o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. Give us some answers that arent completely laughable and nonsensical and maybe you will get somewhere. sorry dan the answers will always be the same, today, tomorrow and forever.....If you don't like the answers....oh well such is life. Thats yet anoter flaw with the bible and the religion, it doesnt adapt to change with the times. I like your answers though, dont think otherwise, the joke threads here are not all that good and i need something to amuse me. Keep your answers coming! |
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was he not the most perfect of all gods angels in the beginning? and this does not answer my statements - no matter what satan/lucifer's motifs were, it is still factual[according to the book] that god allowed him to be there correct? he set it up! Satan wasn't just strolling the neighborhood and decided to go in and tempt eve, he was either placed there, or allowed to be there - one of the two, and that was god's doing, doesnot this infallible god hold control over satan?! If so then who else can be at fault here but god himself? choice my friend......always always that is what you will have........and who chose wrong....hmmmmmmm and who to this day chooses wrong...Not God, but man.......God wants you of your own free will.......and that just like with Christ when he was in the Desert and had nothing to do with satan and his givings and tempting him.....and Christ did what.....He chose right...... |
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Will answer rest later....off to a funeral...
no contradictions lily......just read all the answers in the post....study the bible don't just "think" you know it...I have studied forever and still learn new things every day. o if God is all knowing and whatever else you give him credit for, why does he not eliminate sin NOW? I do not hand my 6 year old a lighter and tell her to do as she pleases. I keep it away from her, because I love her and don't want harm to come of her. Is your God such a bad parent that he does not keep that which harms away from his children? read above........cmon people....I give you the answers over and over again......this is becoming a waste of my time. Ya, but you contridict yourself alot in there, so I want answers one by one.... |
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