Topic: AMAZING!!!!!!
feralcatlady's photo
Thu 09/25/08 11:06 AM
Because my sweet God gave all freewill....Even with Adam and Eve...No they had the choice to do the right thing.....and they chose to not. Just like with us...God doesn't want anybody to come to the Son that truly don't want to....hence freewill. You think God didn't see it coming.....and why then my sweet do you think he told them "Not" to eat from the tree of knowledge...hmmmmmmm makes ya wonder don't it.

He DID NOT want it to happen...but again they Adam and Eve had to listen to God with there own freewill. No one ever said God's job was an easy one now did they......But understand one thing...people rebel, people sin, people undo ties with God....

Of course he had a plan.....I meant how lucky that he chose earth....How lucky he created all that is around us. Now of course again believe as you wish.....I do believe that God is the creator there is just to much evidence to point to it. Evolution is poppy ****. And again I say to you as I have said to many I will give you 400 years even.....Show me one animal that has evolutionized to another different species. And like with all so far...no can do because if it were true then things would be changing all the time. They are not....within ones species yes....but to a whole other one no way jose. And just for the sake of argument if we did as a species come from apes...Why in the name of God are they still here......ding ding ding....just can't be.

Well again study what you are reading.....Genesis 4:
17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

Cain was building a city....not going to a city.


And of course read all of Genesis 4 to see who filled the city.




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Thu 09/25/08 03:11 PM


Are you MORE in Love with the things of the world, then the things of God?

If so, expect NO annointing on your words spoken here.

No power no annointing ...nothing.
and
all your words will just fall on deaf ears.


If the world sees in us, nothing different from the world...then why should they want our Jesus?

God does not delight in luke warm christians.

Spoken in love..hopefully to wake us all up this very day.

:heart::heart::heart:

Jair's photo
Fri 09/26/08 09:57 AM
Spoken in love..hopefully to wake us all up this very day


Well, I wake up as well as many other people and that´s not exactly God´s work. Some people wake up, some people simply don´t, and that´s not providence, that´s fate.

davidben1's photo
Fri 09/26/08 10:10 AM
what thinks it is awake is asleep, and what knows it is asleep is awake.......

Eljay's photo
Fri 09/26/08 01:20 PM

A day to the Lord is as a thousand years to man, that would make the 2000 years you speak of only two days to the Lord.

Considering that the Earth itself is millions of years old, Soon could still be quite a spell.

But no one knows, Christ,the Angels in Heaven nor man can know for sure.


Yes - but when God speaks of soon - He's not talking to himself, He's talking to us. And a day to us is like, well - a day.

Eljay's photo
Fri 09/26/08 01:28 PM

God didn't create the sin.....Adam and Eve who did the only thing that God said not to do and that was eat from the tree of knowledge.....Was where sin was born.


Well, if He´s a being having complete, unlimited knowledge, awareness, understanding and is able of perceiving all things, why couldn´t He see it coming??...supposing He´s omniscient, He knew man would be contaminated by the sin and that sin would be a fact. Unless He wanted it to happen. But why?? He´s almighty, why in the neck of the woods would he need to start all this hastle?? why not to make things easier??


Could you expound on this. Like easier - how?

And why not for God to choose this planet how truly blessed and lucky are we. And I think you miss the whole creation part.....I would suggest a brush up of Genesis....And as far as creation.....l find it much more believable the the speck of dust that fell into the ocean that turned into a tadpole, frog, climbed out turned into a money a great ape then us.....hmmmmm I think no. I would look at the big bang theory as God said and bang it was. I guess I am blessed with an abundance of faith...


Now we´re lucky!!...so that´s what it´s all about!! it means the He didn´t have a plan, He simply didn´t have a purpose!! at the creation point we are even because we haven´t proven yet the fact of the Big bang be the beginning of things neither can any theologist afirm that what´s written in Genesis is a fact or logically explained. And there´s more, if Adam and his wife were the first rational creatures on this planet created clean of evil under God´s protection could be contaminated by mean thoughts and decided to choose eating whatever fruit was prohibited and there was sin. Or even after murdering his brother, Adam and Eve´s firstborns, Cain left that part of the land and fled obeying God´s commandment. Fled where?? the Bible says he arrived at a city...wait...city??...what city??...wasn´t him and his brother, Adam and Eve the only rational beings on earth?? who built this city??...how long is it necessary for a village or even a small community to become a city!?..hundreds of people are necessary, I mean. Well, that, amog other things, doesn´t make any sense to me!



This has been discussed on another thread at length. Do you think that A&E only had three children? Are you looking at life the way it is today and extrapolating it back to ancient times and expecting the circumstances to be the same?

davidben1's photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:18 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Sat 09/27/08 10:20 AM
we are lucky and unlucky.....

blessed and cursed.......

are night and day........

the two halves of humanity......

the one evil, the other good.....

the other good, the one evil,

but the two halves meet, and time stands still....

and all the good evil has learned, half, the good see they do not.....

and all the good "good" has learned, half, the evil see they do not.......

and there becomes sharing, all bringing the each "gold coin" of wisdom, that embrace all other wisdom, and the world reigns in all knowing.......

yes, truly amazing.......

Belushi's photo
Sat 09/27/08 10:24 AM
Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?

splendidlife's photo
Sat 09/27/08 11:10 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Sat 09/27/08 11:14 AM


we are lucky and unlucky.....

blessed and cursed.......

are night and day........

the two halves of humanity......

the one evil, the other good.....

the other good, the one evil,

but the two halves meet, and time stands still....

and all the good evil has learned, half, the good see they do not.....

and all the good "good" has learned, half, the evil see they do not.......

and there becomes sharing, all bringing the each "gold coin" of wisdom, that embrace all other wisdom, and the world reigns in all knowing.......

yes, truly amazing.......

Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?


What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words being added?

feralcatlady's photo
Sun 09/28/08 06:59 AM
Edited by feralcatlady on Sun 09/28/08 07:04 AM



we are lucky and unlucky.....

blessed and cursed.......

are night and day........

the two halves of humanity......

the one evil, the other good.....

the other good, the one evil,

but the two halves meet, and time stands still....

and all the good evil has learned, half, the good see they do not.....

and all the good "good" has learned, half, the evil see they do not.......

and there becomes sharing, all bringing the each "gold coin" of wisdom, that embrace all other wisdom, and the world reigns in all knowing.......

yes, truly amazing.......

Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?


What if.... the Bible has been a timeless, ever-morphing "play book" for humanity in which ALL words spoken by All mankind (ALL inspired for purpose) equal all of what's been said plus the constant continuation of words being added?


I like this....nice post to wake up to...ty All the others are going to have to wait until coffee kicks in and brain is functioning 100%....gigglesnort. Just the last paragraph.

arkdanimal's photo
Sun 09/28/08 07:10 AM

I still don´t really trust it...who can tell me for sure that the Bible is a God-inspried book???
so many people have handled it throughout the centuries, especially the Catholic Church, maybe the first holder of the Scriptures. Many Popes have s elected the writing for their own purposes, in order to influence people all around and make them do whatever they wanted. And to make a long story short, it is not an unabridged work. It is full of gaps and the answer for many obscure things are due to anyone to guess what it really is. That´s why we have so many divisions and derivation of the same teaching method. Priests, Pastors...whoever leaders changed the views and meanings of what´s written there didn´t really fully understand it for sure. What to say about the Dead Sea Scrolls?...why weren´t they accapted as part of the Bible since most of its writings are continuations of some books inserted in the Bible like, John, Mark, Luke and some others. I think the Bible isn´t still trustworthy at all...
Treat the Bible like a history book that was written about a major conflict. Read and study it in it's entirety, and most important do not go form one part to another until you truely understand the part you are in. Ask God to help you understand what he wants you to understand. It will take you a while but it will be worth it spiritually. There are many help source's which can compliment you study. Understand that the men who originally wrote the bible were the same as you and I. So they may not have expressed the message in a easilly understandable way. Be patient, it's not a race, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God, Thank Him for comming to earth, in flesh, and allowing himself to be crucified for our transgressions. For without that we would all be lost!

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Sun 09/28/08 07:12 AM



Are you MORE in Love with the things of the world, then the things of God?

If so, expect NO annointing on your words spoken here.

No power no annointing ...nothing.
and
all your words will just fall on deaf ears.


If the world sees in us, nothing different from the world...then why should they want our Jesus?

God does not delight in luke warm christians.

Spoken in love..hopefully to wake us all up this very day.

:heart::heart::heart:
Right on! Perfect!!!

feralcatlady's photo
Sun 09/28/08 09:30 AM
I am awake and know what is of the utmost importance......Christ I thank you for all that you do in my life.....Nothing matters except my relationship with you...I love you and I anoint you.....thank you thank you precious Jesus for shedding the blood for us.


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Sun 09/28/08 10:09 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Sun 09/28/08 10:35 AM
what are things of the world, lol.......

hope, peace, love, brotherhood, houses, cars, bars, concerts, relationships, hate, violence, pain, misery......

so if i love god i love all these things, and learn form what ALL THESE THINGS TEACH, then there is no longer a mortal perspective, that look into only what the minds idea of good is, and learn nothing but this, which becomes a smaller and smaller definition of what "good is" each day..........

if one is mortal, is not eveything met and felt in a day of the mortal, so of the "world"......

it also said for "god so loved the world", so what part of "god" was bad, as it did not say "god" only loved the people of the world, as has been interpreted by the mind that seek to be good and earn favor of being "better" oneself, but "THE WORLD"......

is not then all things met in the world, to be loved equally, but this statement is put out as a guide of knowing what self holiness is, so it is interpreted thru such notions, as all religion sought to make oneself good always finds these and hears them thru commandment of how to be good, lol..........

but HOW is it a defined directive, as if it is really looked at without some notion of what it means, as heard pronounced in times past, then it is clearly seen it is ambiguous, and it would appear as intentionally so.......

text gives the food one seeks, or the answers one sought to find, to support ANY belief, which if one believes they are not good, then the mind look to find HOW it is good, and soon come by default to always look at all things and see how I AM BETTER THAN MY NEIGHBOR, LOL......

this saying is put out there for professed self seekers of self peace to chase "a ghost", to bring to misery of self defeat, by seeking self happiness most, and not seeking common good for all as equal beings, which always seems to leadthe place oneself is wiser and better, but certainly seen happens to bring any to the place that shows the mnind with clarity "there is MUCH MORE than one small brain can know, lol.....

to bring one to the place to ask the question of self, WHY DO I THINK I KNOW IT ALL, AND WHY DO I THINK I AM BETTER THAN MOST OTHERS MET IN A DAY, AND HOW CAN I KNOW BETTER THAN ALL, AND BE WISER THAN ALL OTHERS PUT TOGETHER, LOL.......

there is what all brains PUT TOGETHER KNOW, THAT MAKE UP THE WHOLE PICTURE OF ANY TRUTH, but what brian that thinks it is greater in itself, will allow all other brains to be absorbed into the mind as truth as well, expanding what one knows beyond itself, as before this time there is only comparing self all day long to IT'S OWN guide of what is good, and so comparing all others to the same guide, lol......

perpetual misery in time.......

what is different between oneself and another....

every last drop of human experience EVER lived by BOTH.....

so it is redily apparent how this perception leads to failure, simply because it cannot see more than self greatest as "star of the role", which leave out MUCH MORE DATA THAT IS TO BE GARNERED FROM ANY SITUATION, lol......

for even in every situation that appears the same as anothers situation, there are as many differences as there are similarities, so all perception thru this is based on only partial data.......

what about different personalities, different space in time, as all things are growing, so yesterday is NOT like today, and even if it look the same, it CANNOT BE ALL TRUTH SAYING THIS........

my neighbor is NOT ME for pete's sake......

these notions of HOLINESS GUIDES OF ONESELF FOR ALL OTHERS, OR CALLED AS MORALS, ARE BASED ON ALL HUMANS HAVING IDENTICAL BRAINS, A COMPLETE FALACY OF THE MINDS FANTASIES........

so how is comparison to another LIKEWISE a GOOD guide for what is good about oneself, lol.....

so how does this saying quoted help with anything more than to try to make others do as self believes is good for self, and is really nothing more than a guide of one of what self righteoussness is for self, and there are many good and bad actions all day long, that could be interpreted by ANY as opposing to what one professes to believe, lol.......

figments of fantasy of the mind alone.....

is this not the grand deception of the mind.....
if i do this, and this, and this, and this, then i am good and better, so then will not all others that do not do the same be put INTO THE LESS GOOD CATEGORY, lol.....

the human brain learns nothing from anything that it call and believe to be "bad"

the smaller the definition of what is good, the more ignorance allowed to prevail.......

if "god" so loved the world, then does this not say "god" loved everything in the world, and was not BIASED, and gave proof in words written of the perception of "god", if one believe in "god", and that the perception of "god" was not only loving the "good" in the world, as is not this easy and the natural way all things deem good and bad at first, as what suits myself and my notions, but it seems "gods?" perception was loved ALL THE WORLD AS EQUAL, AS IT WAS NOT IT ALSO SAID THAT IN THE "SIGHT" OF GOD ALL MAN WAS CREATED EQUAL......

so if all are created equal, than ARE NOT ALL A PRODUCT OF THEIR ENVIRONEMNT, BUT RELIGION CANNOT ACCPET THIS, AS THIS WOULD MAKE THEM EQUAL TO WHO THEY CALL EVIL, AND RELGION WISH WITH ALL WILL AND EFFORT EVER GIVEN IN A DAY ALL THE YEAR LONG TO BE AS BETTER........

OMG.....this would leave no one else as less, which would destroy any left to be called evil, which would mean one had no ANCHOR TO HOLD TO FOR SELF GOODNESS, IN BELIEF'S, AND THIS WOULD BE SCARY........

but it certainly seems "god" also loved bad equally, so then what is "BAD" to "god", as it teach what is good, so how does the bad not have as much profit as the good, or there would be no point of reference of what "good" was, so how does one look down on self for loving things of the world, and likewise make oneself have to then look down on others, as loving the things of the world, lol......

if indeed one believes they do not love the world, or the things of the world, then it is only a figment of imagination that one does not, or they would and could not be alive, lol........

so how and why is this scritpure used to paint a minds idea of what is GOOD, when the definition itself cannot be defined, or there has to exist more imaginations of what good alone is......

perpetual misery of self defined ideas that can never be attaned, and only found because self sought to make self better.......

how can self that seek to make self better, EVER love it's neighbor equally, and one does not "see" what one does not like, lol......

each day the brain grow into more knowing, but this is reflected always outward as the guide for others goodness, not allowing the sight that if one was NOT wrong yesterday, then nothing NEW was learned today, lol........

why in this place there is NO CONSISTENCY OF SPEECH, OR ACTIONS POSSIBLE, as all things it seems are sought as constant states of beings, and the mind is energy, WHICH CANNOT BE STILL, OR THE SAME, EVER, OR IT IS DYING FROM LACK OF DATA TO DIGEST AND UNDERSTAND.........

just ideas not edited on the notions of religion that give no clear directive of what is wisdom, but lead to places of illusion believed to be as all truth.....

nothing is complete, and all things are complete, as does not incomplete lead to complete....

so then what truth is all truth unless it be all knowing, and what is all knowing, that is mortal?

so would not all mankind share a piece of the larger picture of what mankind is, and would not these have to be blended together, to see more than one small brain can see.....

we are of a global community are we not....

is not this leading all mankind to be as brothers, but then "evil" perception see this as losing america, and having lost "values"......

but then do not we have black and white kids playing music together, and country music singing rock music, showing aall lines that were once in the sand seperating peoples are as disolving each day the more......

everything is in the perception, and perception that see "evil" can find no good, when, if it was a snake, and it is, it would bite one, and bring about death of the pea size brain, that believe it see good, and all other perceptions are as ignorant compared to self, lol...........

peace


davidben1's photo
Sun 09/28/08 11:15 AM




Are you MORE in Love with the things of the world, then the things of God?

If so, expect NO annointing on your words spoken here.

No power no annointing ...nothing.
and
all your words will just fall on deaf ears.


If the world sees in us, nothing different from the world...then why should they want our Jesus?

God does not delight in luke warm christians.

Spoken in love..hopefully to wake us all up this very day.

:heart::heart::heart:
Right on! Perfect!!!


why is it perfect.....

who says god does not delight inlukewarm christians?

because it was said that if one was lukewarm, they would be spewed out of gods mouth?

was this not defined thru FEAR, that seen this as a "bad" thing, and made run from this state, and many other states as decribed within text?

and why is being "spewed" out of god mouth as "bad".....

can not this also mean one comes directly from "gods" mouth, and would not this be as good?

but it is called as perfect because it agrees with what oneself believes, so vindicates oneself, and that is what is MOST "good", lol.....

but then was it not also written that ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD, so this negates and cancels out the definition found for self betterment as KING......

what is wrong with self betterment, less sefl betterment is MORE IMPROTANT THAN ALL OTHER PEOPLE, AS SELF BETTERMENT FOR ALL IS THE ONLY WORTHY CAUSE OF GOD IS IT NOT......

but then "god" of text is made a god of war, but only thru eyes that see all as a war between good and bad, and this is not the perception that "god" was said to look thru, if it holds true that all are of the same origin....

but then this perception sees half of man as being birthed of the devil, and half as being birthed of god, when it was clearly stated that LIFE only come from "god", and NO HEART IS ABLE TO MAKE ITSELF PUMP BLOOD BY SELF WILL, WHICH SHOW GREATER THAN SELF EXISTS, even if it is not known what it is, but IF ANY BELIEVE IN TEXT, it is clearly seen then ALL are GRANTED life, as spoken, so how can "god" that "give" life, produce half devils, and half goodly ones, or of god, lol......

then GOD GAVE BIRTH to half of man as EVIL?

indeed, this thinking births perposterous notions of illlusion, in time making one believe that "god" gave birth to just a few, the ones that believe as I DO, lol.......

how the hell is it not seen that each heart pump blood, as a phenomenon, proving no man controls, and yet it is thought some mens hearts pump blood by power of the devil, as DID IT NOT ALSO SAY "GOD CAN HAVE NO PART WITH SIN".......

so then nothing that breath could be of SIN, OR ALL ARE ALWAYS OF SIN, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE JUST BORN MORTAL, or ALL LIFE DID NOT COME FROM GOD, AND WE GOT A DEVIL WITH HORNS WALKING AROUND PRODUCING DEVILS AS AN ALIEN SPECIES, and TWO SOURCES OF ALL LIFE, but if there are two sources, then THERE WOULD BE TWO DIFFERENT TYPR HUMANS, AND ALL ARE OF THE SAME ESSENCE OF WORKING PARTS, PROVING THE SAME DESIGN AT WORK WITHIN ALL......

so the "devil" got ahold of the HUMAN RECIPE, as frankenstein, and started putting out clones?

deceptions of the real?

so then is it the perception that see "evil" that is ALWAYS HEADED TO PARTIAL DATA BELIEVED AS TRUTH, or are the words of the book said to be followed incorrect?

just ideas.......

it is not missed that "ALL LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY, BECAUSE ALL ARE BORN MORTAL?......

was it not also said that all would come to be of one mind and one accord, and this was witnessed within writings of the book, at the tower of babel, and ALL IN THE WORLD WORKED TOGETHER, not just a few, but then the tower of babel was seen as the EVIL men doing, never applying it to ALL MANKIND AS A WHOLE......

SO WHO DOES TEXT SAY IS NOT A SHEEP, LOL.....

is it not like THE ESEENCE OF A SHEEP, that ALL HAD TO FACE all environment without FIRST BEING ALL KNOWING OF WHAT IS BEST, or ignorant as it were, simply by NEVER HAVING BEEN HERE BEFORE, LOL......

indeed perfect has come to be, NOTHING IS TRUTH UNLESS IT AGREE WITH ME, LOL......

how has truth ever made one feel good....

is not truth the hardest thing for any human to accept, even as all history has shown, SO HOW IS IT THOUGHT THAT TRUTH MAKES ONE FEEL GOOD ALONE, AS IF TRUTH MAKE FEEL GOOD, THEN IT MUST EQUALLY MAKE ONE FEEL BAD, YING AND YANG, SATAN AND GOD, IGNORANCE AND WISDOM, PRIDE AND HUMILITY AS ONE, SO HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO BELIEVE ALL IS BEING SEEN IF A "STATE OF GOOD" IS SOUGHT MOST....

seems nothing more than religious notions that are of partial perceptions.......

why is it the the brain can look back in history, and see all others as ignorant, and see all as not knowing, and somehow think the truth today is any easier to see, and self is smart today, but yesterday, all others were ignorant.........

please, is not this the deception of the mind warned to NOT FALL PREY TO, lol.....


davidben1's photo
Sun 09/28/08 11:46 AM

I am awake and know what is of the utmost importance......Christ I thank you for all that you do in my life.....Nothing matters except my relationship with you...I love you and I anoint you.....thank you thank you precious Jesus for shedding the blood for us.




yes, it is redily apparent that you are your own GREATEST GOD, and all others are of less value and importance.......

this does not seem to be the notion that text described as of god........

was it not ALL OTHERS AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SELF, EVEN MORE THAN "GOD", as if "god" was the most important thing to jesus, then why was he said to die for "others", and not said to die for HIS GOD.......

because all mankind is of "god" of there is no god, as any other god is a "god" of war, that seperate all mankind.....

did you not hear your "god" was returning to amke all men EQUAL?

was it thought he would murder all you do not like?

all that do not agree with you?

WHY DID IT SAY TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.....

BECAUSE ALL COME FROM GOD, AND YOUR NEIGHBOR IS GOD, THE ONE CURSED AND CALLED AS EVIL, because they do not follow what another PROFESS IS TRUTH FOR ALL, lol.........

the "god" of text believed to be all these notions that lead to SELF AS MOST IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD, are diometrically opposed to all the other half of words spoken within text as well.......

HOW CAN ONE LEAVE OUT TEXT SAID TO LOVE THY ENEMEIES.....

does thios not mean one if they see CORRECTLY, would have none percieved as enemies, lol...

does not this perception that "GOD" is in the sky, and seeking to make him happy to make self happy, always make for many other "EVIL" BEINGS, and oneself as MOST AND MORE IMPORTANT THAN MANY, LOL......

HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN DICTATORSHIP TEACHINGS, NO DIFFERENT THAN MUSLIMS THAT TEACH ALL OTHERS NOT MUSLIM ARE EVIL, and should be killed, and in killing, one earns reward for SELF!.....

rather nice how this works out for the ones wishing murder on others, lol....

go kill, and wish others dead, and purpose this in all teachings, and you get a reward, lol....

who did jesus wish as dead and say would be destroyed, with the saying "love thy enemies as thyself"......

please, such interpretations are more of the satan that text describes, which was what was taught and spoken by any that CAUSE DIVIDE AMOUNST MANKIND, which simply perpetuate the notions the mind naturally believes, that all others are NOT equal.....

if all are created equal by your own text profession, than environment fills in the blanks, so WHO IS OF MORE EVIL POTENTIAL THAN SELF?

IF WE WISH FOR PEACE, and are created in "gods" image, THAN WOULD WE NOT NEVER STOP AT A BELIEF THAT MAKES ALL MEN AS NOT EQUAL?

WILL NOT ANY BELIEF OTHER THAN EQUAL BEINGS BIRTH WAR LATER?

these things spoken seem to not add up to NOTHING more than what is wished to be believed of self, lol..........

who is self......what all others words, which speak and tell by perception seen, who one is....

so if i disregard all others that say i am anything but good, than i am good?

whoa.....COOL!

wow, thats a nice belief, but only if one wishes to NOT TRULY KNOW AND HEAR WHAT THEY ARE........

PEACE



Jair's photo
Mon 09/29/08 05:46 AM
Have you guys ever heard of BRAINWASH? It´s seems to be some kind of powerful mind control that keeps people thinking like that!

And answering to a questioning about "how easy" God should´ve made things be. Well, I don´t really indersatand why things have to be so complicate. To me, it´s seems like a game. You have to follow the rules (noy easy ones) to achieve the price (heaven). And that´s a little funny. Why does the Bible appeal to golden and chrytal roads and streets since people´s mind will be changed?? if "life" in heaven is going to be any different from here, than why so much preocupation on that!? and why is that so important to spend ALL ETERNITY singing and praising and walking on golden streets?? I don´t think that´s very appealing for me. I definetely don´t want to live in heaven. I keep wondering how boring that would be to live like this! lolol..

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 09/29/08 09:00 AM
Inspired means God had his hand in all the writings of the Bible...God spoke they listened they wrote it down. And make no mistake about it....there is not that much changed from the original to now.....and what is changed is so minoot that it makes no difference.

You guys have to get off the bandwagon that it was written and re-written......that is a lame excuse for a book that the content has neither changed or the lessons are still for today as they were 2000 years ago.

The reason that no man could of written it is for all the hidden treasures of the Bible and that my friend you would have to study it to learn.

And if you ask the above questions and don't want an answer then don't put it in a question form. Just say what you think and leave it at that.

All the books are inspired of God...Any person that believes and has a faith that is strong when writing about God.....it will be of God. And again this applies to knowing that God is real to me as walking out and seeing the deer eating and drinking.......

And hey if God is a guess for you....well then you have fun with that....But God is real......to me...He is, was, and always will be.

The writers of the Bible said that God spoke to them....That is all the proof I need.

And believe me again...when God inspires you ohhhhhhhhh so know it.

And yes ding ding ding God did and still does use people for all kinds of things he wants made clear, or said, or whatever the case may be....And no silly God doesn't take over their minds.....God cannot destroy free will....it's a gift he gave us...That is why you can spew all the nasty you do.


Well for you The Bible is nothing....because your free will lets you think that....For me it is the greatest learning tool for the universe. And the worth.....ahhhhhhh my friend that is the best part...because knowing God, His Son will allow me to have the best of everything.....Not because of things but because of their love for me...And because of that unconditional love there is nothing that I can't do. And yes Christ inspires that every day of my life....I don't just exsist on this planet I live.....


When you have a personal relationship with Christ you know instantly the mistakes you make....Christ makes no mistakes man makes many.

I do believe that if you are just reading the Bible that it will never make sense to you...But when the Faith and the Love of the Lord Jesus Christ is abundant in makes it very very clear......and you can use the Bible as a daily tool for living.


You can't make others see what you know in your very exsistence, to the depths of your whole being. He did show me...and I would not deny him ever ever ever. When I asked Christ into my heart and to change the way I lived, and to show me the path that he has chosen for me.......It was just a no brainer...Does that mean I don't sin...heck no and if I told you yes then I would be a lier.

The Bible to me love is wisdom and beauty truth and perfection. It is the living word of God.....and applies today as it did the day it was written...It doesn't change....It just "IS"

Do you not believe that God touches all people......all nations.....but this is the kicker....the basic jest of the Bible is always the same. Now if your looking at doctrine that gives anyone but God, Christ, etc the Glory...then you have to step aside and say....hmmmmmmmm





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Mon 09/29/08 09:08 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Mon 09/29/08 09:18 AM

Just what does that mean, inspired?

The words were certainly written (and re-written) by human hands. But what reason do we have for supposing that it did not come from the mind of man? Is it a book that no person could have written? Why not?

The claim is made that the bible is the word of God because no one in their right mind would believe it otherwise.

The stamp of inspiration is made on the words so that they might be enforced. The bible is claimed to be true because it is the word of God. It is claimed to be the word of God because God says so.

Priests and ministers say it is so because of revelation. The basis of the revelation is the book itself which is claimed to be inspired. And so on, round and round in a circle. (It's called circular logic).

To prove that a book is inspired you must prove the existence of God. You must also prove that this God thinks, acts, has objects, ends and aims.

This is somewhat difficult. It is impossible to conceive of an infinite being. Having no conception of an infinite being, it is impossible to tell whether all the facts we know tend to prove or disprove the existence of such a being.

God is a guess. If the existence of God is admitted, how are we to prove that he inspired the writers of the Bible?

How can one man establish the inspiration of another?
How can an inspired man prove that he is inspired?
How can he know himself that he is inspired?

There is no way to prove inspiration, any more than one can prove he had a particular dream. The only evidence is the word of some man who couldn't possibly know anything on the subject.

What is inspiration? Did God use men as instruments? Did He cause them to write His thoughts? Did He take possession of their minds and destroy their wills?

Were these writers only partly controlled, so that their mistakes, their ignorance and their prejudices were mingled with the wisdom of God? What does all this mean? What is it all worth?

How are we to separate the mistakes of man from the thoughts of God?

Can we do this without being inspired ourselves? If the original writers were inspired, then the translators should have been, and so should be the men who tell us what the Bible means.

How is it possible for a human being to know that he is inspired by an infinite being? How can we be certain that it wasn't all in their heads?

But of one thing we may be certain: An inspired book should certainly excel all the books produced by uninspired men. It should, above all, be true, filled with wisdom and beauty -- perfect.

It is claimed that the bible is the inspired word of god. It's obvious that it is not... that it is only the work of uninspired, flawed humans.

Throughout history, some 40 "holy books" from different religions from all over the world have claimed to be "divinely inspired."

What makes any one of those books legitimately inspired, and the rest impostors?


Good post. Those are some of the very same questions I have had for years and no one is capable of succinctly answering them. They just seem to give preferential treatment to certain books for whatever reason.

And cant anyone just claim to be "divinely inspired" in some respect? Wasn't the Son of Sam "divinely inspired" to listen to his dog which told him to brutally kill several individuals?

Couldn't Charles Darwin have been "divinely inspired" to write "Origin of Species"? Who's "divine inspiration" is more reliable and how do you discern the difference between "divine inspiration" and simply being a nutcase or wanting people to go along with what you say even though you have no real evidence to support the validity of your claims.

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 09/29/08 09:31 AM
David:

The things of the world....are anything that you don't take with you when you die....

I would not consider hope, peace, love, brotherhood and worldly thing....

But houses, cars, clothes, boats, etc....I would consider worldly things....

If you Love God....you don't need any of those things...that is a big difference. The boy with the most toys wins? Wrong the person whom Loves God above all else "Wins"

Now this is for me only.......What you believe is your gig. I know God put me on this planet with a purpose..And this purpose was not to just work and gather "things" When you know what it is to truly love God, and his Son your whole perception of what is important changes.

1. God

2. Family in a Godly home

3. Doing for others, whatever that may entail

4. Bringing people to know the word of God etc...I think you get the jest.

God sweets God loves everyone but can you say the same of your feelings for him.....God can't force you to love Him.......You could say the same for me....Do I not love you as just another fellow human being..well of course I do....Do I want you to seek and know God...of course I do.....but that is your choice...

And just because someone doesn't believe in God does not make them bad....lost maybe but not bad....Now this is hitting the nail on the head.....Wordly is saying to yourself I am better then my neighbor and I have more then my neighbor so therefor I am the king......WRONG....God says to love the neighbor as yourself....What does that mean to you? For me it means to love them, respect them, do anything I could for them if it was needed. And that means for a humanity not just my neighbor....Because all of mankind is thy neighbor.

And just to clear something up again just for me. I am no better then anyone, I know nothing, I seek always and find the truths that are good for myself. But then I would have to say to you and others, "seek beyond what is right in front of your noses", don't look with a scientific eye, or heart, but with a open heart", and what is will be.

You all want to have scientific iron clad proof....but it'ds more simple then that.......and it's all there for your seeking......but you keep blinders of your eyes, and cotton in your ears.....for one can not truly seek with out these senses.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that that we may have everlasting life.......that says it all in a nutshell.....but of course what you do with it......your choice. God created everything hence he loves everything.

Take religion out of it......seek a relationship with God and Christ........It is all about him and not ones self....that is the point.....because through HIM Christ all things are possible......