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I believe that you dont fully have a grasp on this phenomena from a medical standpoint. This is not really surprising to me since you "already know everything and medical science has nothing new to offer".

Are you asking what I speculate might occur once a person is dead? Or are you asking me what I imagine could be taking place while a person is in the process of dieing? Its not quite as black and while as you perceive it to be.

Can you answer yourself the questions you just posed?

PS:

If you were willing to accept the premise that medical science has a valid opinion and worthwhile theories based on observations and research and not merely reading a couple books they bought at the new age store, then I might find your view relevant and worth hearing in its entirety if you could manage that as opposed to a lot of snotty remarks.

JB-> >-> TRIBO <-< <- Krimsa ---------------

Take nothing for granted

I knew JB was a guru. I said so months ago.

Yeah but you meant it negatively. I meant it it politely.

Jeanniebean is unique and thats what we like about her.

Well I have to agree there. Who knows what she thinks about me other than I "remind her of herself at my age". I always take that comment with a grain of salt.

Feral what was this thread supposed to address exactly? Its gone from "Christian bashing" to "creationism is wrong" to "The Theory of Evolution is not provable and Im not a chimp" to "Near Death Experience" to....

That really does not answer my question and whether or not you believe that I "grasp this phenomena from a medical standpoint" is not the subject or the question and it is irrelevant.



No, I am asking you point blank do you believe in an afterlife or not, and if not, then do you believe that NDE's of all types are just hallusinations of a dieing brain?

That's pretty simple.



Of course I can.



That is not really a "premise," that is an opinion. I am willing to look into any studies or theories in this area. I respect medical science, I never said I didn't. That does not mean that I agree with their conclusions. Many people, including doctors and nurses have had their lives changed by their experiences with patients having NDE's. I am sure there are a lot of different opinions.

JB

Well I asked you to answer yourself the questions you just posed. If you are not capable of doing that, why should I feel compelled to help you out in any respect?

I have a guess as to what might take place once we actually die. Yes.

I have formulated an hypothesis based on medical research (that I choose to take into account) that leads me to come to certain conclusions as it relates to what is occurring during the process of dying. This situation might vary of course due to what injury/trauma to the body the person has incurred exactly. I have no way of knowing but I am quite capable of speculating as you or anyone else is on this forum.

So now you are saying well yes medical research is fine and you approve?...pfft. You are funny.

What if someday it becomes possible to download your mind into a new body when you die like on Battlestar Galactica?

No you didn't. You asked if I could answer the question. I said "yes of course I can."



There are a lot of different kinds of medical research. I don't embrace anything as a group. I look at each study and how it was done, why it was done, who did it, what their agenda might be, etc. ~before I draw any hard conclusions.

I tend to think that there is at least a purpose for NDE's and OBE's, whether or not that have anything to do with an afterlife or not.

I would like to know their purpose.

If when we die, we simply no longer exist, what would be the purpose of an NDE? Why not just black out and be done with it? Why all the lights and floating and hallucinations?

Secondly, why and how would lack of oxygen to the brain cause these experiences? (I would think a person might instead dream that someone is smothering them with a pillow if suddenly their brain lacked oxygen.)

But I can say with confidence that I believe that the self does not die when the body dies and that awareness and self remain intact. I am looking at a report right now that presents a lot of evidence and questions about OBE's and NDE's and I can already see that they lack understanding of the different states of consciousness involved and they lack the premise that the mind creates its own reality and that perception is an individual thing, especially in different states of consciousness.

Agreement of perception only happens here, in the physical world. It does not happen in the astral world or with astral awareness that comes with OBE's and NDE's.

Physical scientists always look at things from their limited physical view points and if things don't match to their specifications of physical laws they call it hallucination.

JB

I've heard the assumption that women are not allowed to speak on religious things, preach and such, it is a false teaching of some so called biblical scholars much like the turn the other cheek thing, it is not read, by them with understanding, so in a sense, christians that hold that belief are very wrong,women have the same access to and right to study and teach if they so choose

If you ground them up, JB and Feral=visious wild cats; they would make great fertilizer.
That being said, I quit mingle2. There is no one here worth my effort.

Well I don't know you, but that was a rather nasty little goodby.

Don't let the door hit you in the you know what as you leave.

And yet you say this about yourself in your profile:

"I'm sweet and kind and good and honest, intelligent, passionate and sensual. Seems I'm everything a man wants."

Don't quit, it is full of adware and spyware and slow as honey in the winter these days, but there are some folks worth knowing around in here.

whut??

JB


Mirrorv

I don't know why people even talk about the Bible being the "Word of God" when they totally ignore and denounce what it actually says.

I think they just use the Bible as a clout to preach their own views.

They feel inferior and figure that if they can back themselves up by claiming that they speak for God that will give them some clout.

This is the danger of a religion that claims to have a book that is the word of God.

Any idiot can claim to speak for God by pretending that they have some clue what the book actually says.

Well, the truth has already been known for millennia. Even the clergy who have dedicated their entire celibate lives to studying the Bible can't agree on what they hell it says.

Protestantism is the biggest distortion of all. The Protestants protested against the Catholic Church because they didn't feel that any mortal man should speak for God.

But now look what the Protestants have become! A bunch of uneducated egotistical morons who all claim to be the Pope.

They all have their own interpretations of things and they claim to speak for God. They claim that God has made himself known to them.

They are liars of the highest order.

Blaspheme gone berserk.

It's truly disgusting.

Apparently she doesn't think so. She managed to purposely insult everyone on this site as she makes her exit.