not an angry word or thought all day Spidey, you read to much into what's written - if you read earlier post of mine at least if i'm angry i just add this to the end of my statements - or: but you have not seen this in a loooooong time.

I think the only problem with humans is that they forgot who they truly are and they forgot they are connected to all things and to Prime Source. (God)

This laps in memory causes it to appear that they are separated from God, but they are not. They feel alone, and lost until they learn to look within and they find the spirit of God there and they find their connection is there and always has been.

It has nothing to do with any religion or with any character called Jesus. Prime source just is what it is, it has no name and no legend and no religion. Religion just paints a story to help people believe in something.

All people have to do is wake up and remember who they are.

JB

Oh Tribo, it was meant as a joke. It is kind of interesting though huh? I just noticed it today. It kind of made me feel like Hmm, maybe the Catholics have it right. Many of them simply accept human evolution as fact and that was how god created man upon the earth. That makes perfect sense to me and it almost seems like what that is implying there. If only...sigh.

cant say for sure one way or the other the C's and Cath's do see it differently though. The C's will just point out that god had to speak it before it could happen on the points you make, long story like i said ill let them go into detail- they always have plenty.

And God SAID......Let the earth bring forth..

And God CREATED....

Go thru Genesis..look at how many times God SAID ....
then God CREATED or MADE.....

an interesting teaching on scripture in itself.....

well there you go spidey - now i have a rabbi in chicago and morning star and miles and myself saying it was meant to be taken as a ""non physical"" death and eljay on the verge, so how many holy spirits do i have to listen to to get the real truth? or is it just yours that count's????

What if each human was, as a matter of course, at odds w/ his or her OWN true/higher self along the path of a lifetime? As part of the process, to admit ones own "wrongs" without excuse to the heart would be like "confession". To admit and accept one's own "infidelities", all effects / consequences, would allow one to move forward with a freedom and increased knowing of one's true self. The judgmental ego would shrink a little each time this process was passed through.

WE are the only ones suffering for our arrogant "disobedience". Jesus is the symbol of a Universal process amongst all mankind.

Because of Sin, there is a great gulf or chasm between man and God......but God has already offered a WAY to CLOSE that GAP.

God Wants Us restored back into FELLOWSHIP with Him...

and He already made a way to close that great gulf betwen us and Him...

thru Christ Jesus......
who BORE our sins fro us.....

All we have to do is WILLINGLY RECIEVE JESUS....

that Free Gift of Grace offered unto us.....

that will eternally close the gap between us and God...

and thus, RESTORE US BACK into FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD .

May ALL our eyes be Opened to SEE this TRUTH.... and RECIEVE JESUS Now....

So spidey - here we see again, two [2] >count em< different truths fron one [1] holy spirit abiding the same in each of you - now is a good chance to show me how the sprit leads "ALL BELIEVERS" to the same truths in gods word - or do you claim some secret gnosis from the spirit that the other's dont have, be careful about what you teach as truth spidey your god will judge you much harder for this than a follower of what you teach!!

a spiritual death( cut off from God) took place instantly when adam and eve disobeyed....disobedience is sin..... followed by the gradual dying..the physical dying that followed....

man has gone from living 900 years ,to living on an average today of 85 years ...
there is that reference to "dying" ...... even the whole earth is dying...

Sin produces DEATH....but God Gives us ETERNAL LIFE, thru us accepting Christ Jesus....

Not really because no one was living 900 years. That is just ridiculous. Explain why people in biblical times were generally marrying and having children by their late teens and 20s then? Because they were dead very often by their 60's. Sometimes earlier. Mary was very likely 16 or 17 when she became pregnant and she wasn't a virgin by the way. The word for "young girl" in Hebrew was mistranslated to virgin by later Christian scholars just so you know. Thats one of the reasons why the Jews did not believe Jesus was the true Messiah.

Spidy NEVER SAID that spiritual death did not ALSO take place..he was just refering to that one portion of scripture , that refers to physical death taking place ALSO.
One has to study and rightly divide the Word of God, to get to the whole truth and meaning of sceipture.

So point is....a spiritual death took place ..instantly..along ALSO with a physical death ( the dying over a period of time)....thus, spider was not wrong...he was just busy clarifyng just that one point in scripture only.

I am sure he would agreee that man died spiritually also.

The word has to be rightly divided.....

Oh, I'm in total agreement with this view.

But this view has Jesus as nothing more than a metaphor in a parable for the human condition.

Your higher-self isn't about to send its own 'lower-self' to eternal hell and damnation.

And I totally believe that this is the way it is with God. It would be impossible to be separated from God as the Christians claim.

In order to be separated from God a person would need to be a God in their own right. otherwise how could they even have existence outside of God?

They truly view God as a pet owner, or zookeeper that is a totally seperate entity from them. I'll never understand just what it is that they believe they are in that scenario.

Clearly they will forever be lesser than God. Forever. For all of eternity. I don't think they truly grasp the significance of that idea.

So in that case, it was just a slip up or contradiction. Alright. At first he creates everything directly, than later he allows "the earth to bring forth" . Not to mention there are 2 different accounts of creation in Genesis. God really needs to get a day planner or an assistant or something. Anyway, I like "let the earth bring forth" Its a much more peasant and believable premise and what actually happened. Let it go at that.

Truly. I haven't seen any anger in this thread either. Someone is putting their own emotions into the posts that they read.

I asked a legitimate question and no one has answer it. They just get angry because they know they don't have a good answer for it.

Why would anyone want to believe that they have fallen from grace from their creator and that their creator had to have his own son butchered to pay for their arrogant disobedience?

Why would anyone want to believe such a dismal picture of the man/God relationship?

Who woudln't be thrilled to discover that the Bible is a total lie?

That would surely be the greatest thing anyone could imagine I would hope.

Why people are so vehement about supporting a story that says that mankind if at odds with his creator is beyond me.

If we need to believe something based entirely of faith, why don't we choose a story that has as in favor with our creator. A story where our creator didn't need to make any sacrifices to pay for our terrible disobedience?

Pantheism is certainly a positive story of God. Why not choose pantheism if we have no better reason to choose a religion than faith alone?

I perfer to believe that I'm in favor with God.

Those who want to believe that they are responsible for God having to have his son nailed to a pole are more than welcome to believe whatever they like. But it seems to me that such a belief based on nothing but pure faith is basically sadomasochistic.

I don't want to believe in negative crap if it's not necessary.

I choose to believe in a positive relationship with my creator.

Spidey thinks that makes me 'angry'.

he didn';t say it but in not sayng he implied it was a physical death over time go read again plese. i had already brought what your stating to the forefront and his answer remained focused on die,die physical death over time, not one mention or 1 i'll grant you that this may have been the case also, your wrong MS.he means - it was a physical death only - if he now recants he's got a lot of "splainin to do to ricky" spideyyyyyyyy!!


or you'll have a lot of splaining to do either way.

i agree that a non-physical death took plce instantaneously upon eating the fruit and that is what was meant, the "physical death was inevitable and not even worth mentioning to being who did not know what physical death would be so there would ahve been no fear there of that to begin with. the non-physical was realized as soon as they ate the fruit - thats when the fear of the knowledge of both good and evil entered the scene and they then had reason to fear the consequences. thet is the death they expierienced that DAY 'new "AWARENESS" of good and evil.

Consequences of complete illusion of divide between good and evil and a abject terror of one's own "evil"... Complete obsession with proving one's "goodness" while living a disconnected existence.

for indeed it is also written that what is sin for one is not sin for another.....

so sin cannot be what interpretations of "one against another" say it is.....

and if "gods" will is GREATER than any mans, than what man cannot god "speak" to if he wishes, and show him his "ignorance".......

if words are spoken from so called "prechers" of truth and they have no power to make another "want" to be so called "free" of sin, that what preacher has spoken the truth.....

would this not mean all hearers are as defective......oh wait, or maybe all speakers are as defective......hum, is it not seen this can't be the way dear MS......

this is about the oldest deadest message as preached since the dawn of mankind....

is this not long enough to see if it works, lol...

IT THERE IS TRUTH, THEN IT MUST HAVE POWER IN WORDS TO MAKE PEACE....

a call to obedience is as war, as do you really wish that the whole world follow you and be obedient to what you say is truth....

it has not made you happy yet, so then why would you actually recommend it....

how can one be happy if each day they are stiving to make their "master happy".....

if this is thought to be as heaven, then there is no percpetion of the freedom of the garden, as it was said in the garden they HID NOT FROM GOD, but you would all people HIDE from god, and try to PLEASE SOME interpretation of what is deemed to be as "god".........

if in truth, one is not ashamed of their NAKEDNESS!!!!

you are ashamed, and so seek to be obedient, which is what was called as the "fall"....

the very thing you are saying to do is the FALL FROM GRACE......

if one KNOWS THEY ARE SERVING AND LED BY GOD, THEN WHAT THOUGHT IS THERE OF OBEDIENCE, LOL....

please, if there is a "god" in text, and all words are as true, then the very power of such is as described within, and to deny this is to deny the very god of text........

indeed, for it was spoken that "god" hardened pharoah's heart, so then "god" would be guilty of inspiring pharoah unto evil, setting him up as a "fall guy", and one is to believe that "god" cannot "look" upon sin in the context as written, lol........

sin can be no more than "ignorance".....

what that is born is not ignorant, and what that is not "all knowing" does not have ignorance, lol......

so sin could only be defined as "being mortal", or NOT ALL KNOWING YET, lol....

what human EVER written of in text, that "god" spoke to, could resist?

what one did not RUN for the hills, lol....

EVERY LAST STORY OF GOD MEETING HUMAN, OR ORIGINAL CREATION MEETING MORTAL CREATION, WERE ALL THE SAME........THEY ALL WERE AFRAID OF IMMENSE POWER THAT COULD NOT BE RESISTED, AND RAN FROM WHAT IT TOLD THEM TO DO, LOL.....

so which ones that claim to be as speakers of god have run away in fright of their "god of text", but rather these run to what the human nature wishes to be......all knowing, lol

but then this attribute seen as a defect could never reveal the rest of truth, that all are as this in nature because all came from "all knowing", and will again be as "all knowing", and are just stuck in the "middle" so to speak while mortal, lol........

so which interpretations are as the true, IF THERE IS A TRUE, LOL......

does "god" as an unfair and partial one speak to some and not to others, lol.....

how is this then the same "god" that is said to be fair and just in all his ways.....

there are many "holes" in such interpretations, and if some idea is held that pit one man against another, than there is no understanding how this could be accpeted as what was "intended" to be as the real "message in a bottle" sent to "help" man realize who and what he is......

FOR MANKIND TO REALIZE IT'S TRUE POTENTIAL......

if one iota of text does not bear proof of peace, of greater wisdom, of greater understanding, of greater truth that take away FEAR, then it is misunderstanding, to create a "living point of reference" for one seeing their own ignorance, as not compared to human, but compared to "all knowing"

but then it did say man was as blind, lol.....

but what is blind except ignorance to MORE, and the time of MORE has not been before, but it is as ALWAYS NOW, as MORE is always MORE than yesterday, lol.....

nothing is constant, and niether is the truth, as if the truth is all that today is, all that happened today, than it is different than yesterday, but still encompass all that was yesterday.....

the book of prophecy of mankind was nothing more than this, and each is as living out the actual essence of text, in actual life......

the characters within encompass each human born, so who claim their neighbbor is not "abiding" by text, lol......

it is only the fact that "truth" is seen as a constant, and not seen to be a released daily, just as text described, daily bread, daily wisdom, and ideas of what was as "truth" held to for dear life, becuase of a fear that one was as damned, but damed is just the act of being born, but then born is the act that make as saved, lol......

just as the scribes and pharisees held to old interpretations, so do such as believe they themself are of no sin, and as saved, and as "believers".......

who that say and believe they have achieved and seek "obedience", can rectify that no man can please god, and that if one seek to save their life, they will lose it......

how in the hell can one believe in obedience as a slave, as a master, if one is a friend to their own god, lol......

this speech alone is proof no such god of text has yet been met in person, but rather a great holy spirit has been met, as if the god of text is met, this is a unconditional loving god, that no man can resist, so who has to "try to obey" such a god as this....

it flys against the logic of all other text said to be believed, lol......

there is only ONE interpretation that unlocks the brain of mankind, to be as "all knowing", and creates peace the universe over.....

this interpretation has yet to be heard, or we would all be "all knowing".......

how could this not be correct....

if "god" is all knowing, and ALL HIS MEANING OF TEXT ARE AND HAVE BEEN HEARD, then why is mankind not in peace, and all kmowing, as to be "one with the father" is to know all that "he knows"

how many times a flea bats it's eye.....
how many hairs are on each head.....

yes, each ones "own angel" knows this about themself, lol...

each is already performing all words within text, lol......

it was said to be a book of prophecy, so how can one person not be doing just as they are supposed to be as inspired by their "own god" up thru this very second in time, lol.......

but then certainally it is seen that all humans are a total sum of all words heard within a lifetime, so all words heard each second are making and changing each, it is just as unseen, as all things grow so slow that it is not seen, no different than a tree or the physical growth of a human, lol.......

but then it has not been time yet for all knowing, but that time is fast approaching, as the seeds of wisdom planted long ago have come to maturity thruout all mankind, and the combine is readied for the harvest, and not one shall be left behind with the old mortal holy fearful perception of god as has been described by all such past interpretations.......peace

Sort of like an angry Jewish mother who tells her son who disobeyed,

"You're dead to me!"



Just kidding. I don't comprehend what you mean by a "non physical death"

I don't think there is any such thing as death of spirit or spiritual death. There is only a discarding of the body, whatever plain of existence you are one.

JB