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Tribo:
that's still ok my friend, he's real to me, and that's all thats necessary. I don't agree with you, but i will defend your right to believe as you will, after all - i am your friend - good, bad, or otherwise. You mean it's ok that I don't believe in your God? Gee Tribo I'm really sorry about all the terrible things that I said about your God. I would have never said them if I knew it was ok with you that I don't believe in him. I must have temporarily thought that you had accused me of being a lost soul who is rejecting God and siding with evil forces. My mistake and my deepest heartfelt apologies.  
(_e-mc2_) X 2 
JB  
why thank you my friend - i did not think you felt i was an "Einstein" type.
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My goodness this ended up being a fun post. You are all characters and we are all wrting a story.
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Agenda?
Wow. You are all so organized... so purpose filled. I'm just wandering around. Seeing what there is to see, hoping for something funny or moving or surprising. Sometimes someone writes something that feels like what I believe or maybe even adds to what I believe- that's my favorite. And sometimes (*sigh*, more often times) someone writes something judgemental, mean, exclusionary, hurtful, hateful, or that otherwise makes me annoyed or angry or disappointed. It seems to me that it doesn't mater what the specific religion, the more rigid the individuals beliefs are the more likely they are to get mean and nasty with those who have different beliefs. Also, it seems to be a sign that they are not as secure in their beliefs- their insecurity makes them attack. I agree with you Redi- there certainly are a lot of characters here! And that can be fun. Peace and joy to all (and to all a good night...)
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Shalom Red.
Agenda? Thats kind of a loaded word. Yet if I would call it that it would be just to speak my mind. To call to task those who speak things in a unruly manner. To stand up for those who's heart is pure just asking yet being told what is right and what is wrong and damnation is sure to come for them. To answer every man for what hope I have and why. Shalom Red...Miles |
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Anoasis and Miles
Two voices I have not heard in a while. How wonderful that you both wondered into my thread. In case you had read the whole thread, 'agenda' might not have been the best word to use, but there was a reason for my using it. Anoasis you have always added the best information, most specifically with regard to history. You also never seem to rise or fall but remain centerd. Miss you! Miles, you can keep your agenda, actually sometimes you and I seek the same thing, to broaden ones religious perspective. I have always learned from you and am always happey to see your words, even the ones I might not agree with. 
Thanks for posting Shalom Miles |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Mon 08/11/08 08:58 PM
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Actually, when I first started posting here, I was rather naive, and figured I was going to participate in a collective reconstitution of the great greek forums, where everyone would seek to elevate spirit and intellect to new altruistic summits.
That was my unconscious and secret, even to myself, agenda!!! 'We may even contribute to injecting some fresh blood into our 'tired' democratic processes, I thought, and get people to participate and get involved in the affairs of their communities, large and small. Soon after being 'corrected' by a famous co-poster, to my utmost surprise, on my third or fourth entry on these forums, I figured the lofty ideological agenda was not going to fly! Without necessarily realizing it, my agenda probably became a huntdown of all the delusional 'correctors' on the threads I visited, and keep visiting. Nothing more. Nothing less. Got sucked into the counter part of some other people's fanatical 'crusade!!! I dislike fanaticism, so I guess I fight it back, ... fanatically!!! Probably a defensive reaction to what still appears to me as an impossibility of holding open minded and non dogmatic 'exchanges'. How dare they stop us from achieving this noble intent!!! We shall overcome! ... I figure. The gift though, much like grade school backyard memories, is the number of true 'greek-forum-friends' that I have encountered throughout the numerous pointless arguments we have 'battled' to denounce, together!!! Much like grade scholl backyard 'gangs', there is true solidarity, respect, admiration, and friendship which builds out of all the 'rescuing' friends', and 'being rescued' by friends, from all the 'bullies' in the 'fanatical' backyard. Sort of regressive stuff, but engaging in a paradoxical way somehow! |
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I was born an atheist. I can say that because one must be taught and then adopt a belief system. No one is born with an inherant belief in supreme beings. Like many others, I was guided through the teachings of several religions, most intensively the Christian religion. Now most people who walk away from that experience simply shrug their shoulders and in a somewhat disbelieving, confused state, consider themselves agnostic. I did not. When I walked away I did so after I have spent many years doing my own research and asking a million questions. When I walked away, I did so with a belief that the Christian religion has been proven to have harmful side effects upon all of society. Recently, in about the last 8 to 10 years, I realized I have an agenda. That agenda is to show all those who question the status of their monotheistic beliefs EXACTLY what those beliefs are and what they entail. All too often those who are suffering are considered by these religions to be just so much fodder for their god, even another feather in the cap of one who NEEDS others to believe as they do. NOW mind you, this is just my opinion, but I still feel that EVERYONE is entitled to a complete understanding of what others might be trying to lead them into. So there you have it that's my agenda. What about you - tell us yours. Chirstians, Jews, muslims (if you're there)agnostics, other atheists, wiccans, pagens, anyone. WHAT'S YOUR AGENDA when writiging in the religious forum? I believe my agenda is just sharing my view point. I have been told though that I am not atheist and I have no religious belief to speak of. So I choose to go labelless..lol I too was raised both catholic and baptist and I have read into some of the other religions. I have shared the freeing of my soul the day I realized that "trying" to "fit" a religion was actually shackling to my "soul". I feel the freedom of my spirit now that I have left the constrictions of the man made religions alone. I wish for others to feel this freedom and for them to realize that religions can be dangerous for people because it is a form of brain washing. |
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voileazur,
I am, as always, speechlessly in awe of your discourse. Translation: I barely know what you just said but it sounded very good. JB |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Mon 08/11/08 09:23 PM
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voileazur, I am, as always, speechlessly in awe of your discourse. Translation: I barely know what you just said but it sounded very good. JB ... and you know Jeannie, that in the school backyard, you will always be able to count on me to 'rescue' you from the 'fanatical' bullies!!! (not that you need any help whatsoever, mind you, but I trust you would humour me, and thus allow me the impression of serving a noble 'chevalier' purpose!!!) :) :) :) |
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voileazur,
... and you know Jeannie, that in the school backyard, you will always be able to count on me to 'rescue' you from the 'fanatical' bullies!!! Well, the fantatical bullies on this site have truly gone downhill to the point where it's a total waste of time to even attempt to communicate with them anymore. They seem to have become totally incoherent to human speech that even remotely makes the slightest bit of sense. I wonder what caused them to disintegrate so rapidly? Perhaps they are going through some kind of metamorphosis and will re-emerge as actual sentient beings. One can only hope.
This was a refreshing thread Red.
Lots of nice posters in here. {{{{  DD }}}}}
{{{{ Dragoness }}}}}
{{{{ Di }}}}}
{{{{ Jeannie }}}}}
{{{{ Tribo }}}}}
Ewe yuck!!! (spit spit spit) What the hell was that last thing? An alien? 
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On the concept of Atheism. Atheism might seem logical to you, but it holds no logic for me. In fact, it's totally illogical for me. Atheism basically states that our very existence is some sort of freak accident. We came out of nowhere and just accidentally happened. Well unless you believe that it's 'logical' for a magician to pull a rabbit out of thin air then why would you believe that it's possible for an entire universe to pop out of thin nothingness for no reason whatsoever? Moreover, for that universe to be made of stuff that just accidentally happens to coagulate into living conscious beings who can become sentient enough to ask, "Where the hell did we come from?" That's one hell of a freak accident Di. There are other problems with it as well. Let's accept that it all did happen just by accident. We gain consciousness when we are born. We lose consciousness when we die, and that's that. End of story. What meaning would life have? You may ask, "Why does it need to have meaning? It has whatever meaning we give it an nothing more." Well that sounds good on the surface. But would life have any value at all? Think about it. If when you die, it's just "lights out" and that's that. Then, at that point in time you may as well have never existed at all. Once you die, if you no longer have any existence, then at that point in time for you it won't matter whether you had died at birth or lived for a hundred years. It won't matter what you're life had been like, because you no longer exist. In other words, if I were to kill you right this moment, it would be no skin off your nose. Because once you're dead, you'll never even know that you had missed out on a longer life. Once your dead it no longer matters. For that very reason it doesn't matter when you die. After you're dead you're not going to exist to complain about it.
I realize that this may be hard to take, but think about it for a while. Think about it long and hard. If when you die it's just 'lights out'. Then it doesn't matter when you die because you aren't going to even know that you had ever lived. So what? You may say, "I've left things behind. I've made an impact on the bigger picture. I've affected other lives. Hell, maybe I was even responsible for bring someone else into this cosmic accident so they too could have a meaningless life that they won't even remember having had once they are dead"
Sorry, but this truly is funny. If death is meaningless after we die, and we are no longer around to even remember that we had ever lived at all. Then life is just as meaningless. It doesn't matter when you die because you can't "lose" anything. You have nothing to "lose". You won't know that you had been 'cheated' out of a longer life. Well, if life is meaningless for an individual, then trying to give life meaning by appealing to those who remain behind is just as meaningless. If life is meaningless for an individual, then it's meaningless for a whole bunch of individuals. And all of humanity collectively is nothing more than a whole bunch of individuals. So if life is meaningless for an individual, then it's meaningless for all of humanity. Well, we could get into long drawn-out debates of "What does it mean for something to be meaningful?" However if we already started with the assumption that the universe is nothing but a random 'meaningless' accident in the first place, wouldn't such debates about the meaning of life be pretty much moot? If we assume that the universe is nothing but an accident then that pretty much says it all. We are nothing but an accident too and therefore nothing has any meaning. Worrying about killing something that was just an accident to begin with surely can't be a meaningful concept? So, for me personally, atheism is nothing more than the acceptance that life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever. From my point of view this is no less absurd that the idea that some external godhead is raising us as pets to worship its every thought. Both of those ideas, for me personally, are just as absurd as each other. I wholeheartedly agree. |
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Aww man, I wish I'd of been on last night, but got busy. You guys cracked me up with responses to my little diatribe.
Red, I can't believe I fell for such an obvious trap. 
Abra, the only thing I'm converting is sugar into fat cells. 
JB, there are no aliens, never have been. 
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JB, there are no aliens, never have been. tongue
The only people who push that agenda are the aliens. You must be one, or be one of their mind controlled slaves.
Seriously, I really wish someone could prove to me their are no aliens.. Then after you do that tell them to leave our cattle alone and stop flying over our town in their space ships. JB |
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Red, I can't believe I fell for such an obvious trap. Well, if you weren't ROaming around all the time you wouldn't be falling into these traps. Abra, the only thing I'm converting is sugar into fat cells. Well, you better stop that right now! Start doing some excorcises.
JB, there are no aliens, never have been.
Tell that to the immigrations office. 
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My dad was a genuine Atheist and my mom is a genuine Holy Roller. Proof positive to me that polar opposites attract. But a real enigma when I would go live with one of them growing up and they would tell me that I was just like the other spouse. Sometimes I feel like the abominable Christian because I just don't fit into either category completely. I think I have so many agendas that they have a tendency to cancel themselves out.
I have many Atheist friends and they help to save me from myself. 
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Thanks to conversations with Wouldee and Feralcat on several other threads, I have realize what my agenda is.
First of all for those Christians who believe that Christianity owns god, I must say that I believe a creative intelligence is at work in this and all worlds. Just because I do not believe in the Bible or in Jesus as God, does not mean I don't believe in a creator. Having cleared that up, my agenda, I have discovered recently, is to refute the big con job and lie of various religious dogma perpetrated upon the world particularly the claim that Jesus is God. The myth surrounding a man (not named Jesus) who may have actually lived back then has no truth and bares no resemblance to his real life and death. “The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictiotional!) characters.” The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin, first printed in the United States in 1979 So there you have it. My agenda. JB |
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Be careful with your remarks majik man - that was a quote from a famous Indian chief, -
"Ewe yuck!!! (spit spit spit) What the hell was that last thing? An alien?" white man not taste good, spit,spit,spit!! |
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Agenda,,, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Well lets see
I don’t think I really have one,, When I was a child I was raised In a very strict Religious Family Enviroment,, went to Private school And did as I was told,,,, Fastforward 20years or so,, I have come to enjoy all types of Faith Worldy and Spiritually,, I tend to look at what fits in my Realm of The world and use its knowledge to move forward in life Treating others as I would like to be treated,,,, I do believe in my Shell that when I leave this life,, there is something greater Out there,, I am in no hurry to find this greatness beyond Mother Earth,, So I dream my dreams and wait in anticipation As to what becomes of LaMom…. I am a student of life,, seeking knowledge,, Yep that’s My Agenda ((( Red ))) As always your are missed,., Love it when you come home and share you Soul
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Owl post these here for those who haven't yet heard them. Tribute to LAmom.
http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/lamom.htm Tribute to Red. http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/di.htm |
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Owl post these here for those who haven't yet heard them. Tribute to LAmom.
http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/lamom.htm Tribute to Red. http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/di.htm You know me loveaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you's
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