Mirror


Hi Mirror,
The question you pose is not an easy on. The human mind is not programmed to accept the fact that it cannot know everything. Perhaps it's a flaw, or perhaps it's part of the necessity of survival.

Either way, when humans cannot, as a species, figure a out some event, or the answer to an overwhelmingly important question, then two things happen. Some people are innovative and manipulative enough to see an opportunity. Find the answer and become a hero - or in some cases found a religion and control that society. Either way the person provides an answer to the question at hand or they provide a means to answer ALL future questions as well, call it religion and use it to control the people.

Everyone's happy becasue there are no longer any questions that cannot be answered.

120557



Most people do believe in something. Nothing wrong in that.

One of the problems I see in Christianity or any religion is that when it fails a person miserably they are said to have "lost faith" and then their rebellion results in what some call "atheist."

From there all the questions that were before answered "God created it." are left unanswered and the "atheist" has to start from square one and having been damaged by a false god idea, rejects (or might reject) any kind of concept of an intelligent creator.

God. That's a big shoe to fill once it is empty.

So where does one turn? Science? Well that has its limitations too.

What I did was to turn to myself. That was all that was left. Me. I exist.

I may die and be no more tomorrow.

With this idea, I was born again to physical life, having much more respect for my life than I had ever had when I was so concerned with the after life.

From that point I found a path that lead back to prime source, the ultimate self.

JB

Redy.

Plain wrappers are better than fancy ones. the gift inside is made all the more delightful when not enhanced before it is unwrapped. LOL

Agendas are always an excellent example of closed mindedness.

Establishing the goal, excuting its manifestation and rationalizing its adequacy deepens the quest to justify every intent and willful brick building that house.

agendas or not, this forum is a city, not a refuge.

all agendas change nothing, it is still many little houses decorated s they are standing among all others and still, only a city from the outside looking in.

Might be appealing at first glance from over the distant hills.

might even conjure up a response that home has been found.

The promised land is in sight. LOL

Let's go down and seize it. LOL

Nothing is going to change here, not by much.

Rather, it depends more on which neighbors abandon their place first and relinguish their stake to the remainder and their backslappers. LOL

Is that success?

Is that what an agenda delivers? LOL

CAlifornians humor me to no end. You and I are both such. We both know the Bay Area. So, follow me, redy......

Gas may be cheaper across the street at Rotten Robbie's, but still, many will go the Chevron station and pay more for their ges and for their coke and for their snack. LOL

But if it is only water at the well that is sought, then why do not all drink, if in fact water can be only water? Same tap delivering it, and same water from the same source, but yet the water is better at the Chevron? Only the better class believes that. LOL

I can lead you to water, but you must drink, and only if you choose. Likewise, redy. It goes both ways. LOL

AGENDAS, indeed.

Let's choose sides LOL

1)Science and learning and all according to the pursuit of the better mousetrap and the louder whistle and the wittiest invention do distract but for only the best and the brightest.

Go team, Go!!!!!!!!!! LOL

2)Jesus and his living word and his righteousness applauded do also encourage and inspire those so enamored and the Holy Spirit is the gift that only the Christian need as proof that Jesus is the best God has to offer. And to that end, the best and the brightest are apprehended of, lest they slip.

Go team Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I have tipped my hand , haven't I? LOL

I gave one team more exclamation points.


I am so unfair. LOL


I must have an agenda! LOL

smiless


Hi Smiles,
I have to set you right. I was sent to chruch and Sunday School in the Lutheran faith and even forced to be confirmed. I did not make my pastors happy, I was too inquisitive and they didn't want to take the time to review the information I brought to their attention refuting what they were teaching. Oh Well! Of course I decided there must be some truth here somewhere, so I roamed from church to chuch, even to Synogogue. Was asked not retuen to some places and in the end chose not to return to any of the them.

I agree with you though, for the creative mind there are enough myths begging to be created from the religious dogma over the centuries to fill hundreds of books and comics.

The one thing that most people have difficulty with is that we are doing it.

That's the answer. We are it.

Everyone thinks that we can't be god for all the wrong reasons.

Many of them feel that such a thought is too 'egotistical'. But that's asburd. When we are feeling 'egotistically' is when we are lost in our human form, or think that we as an 'indivdual humans' are somehow the ultimate 'authoritarian'. Those are just misguided notions about the very nature of what god is.

Other people argue, "If we were god don't you think we'd know it?"

Again, that's just based on a poor notion of what 'god' is supposed to be.

The need to beleive that there is an owner to the 'human ant farm' actually creates many more problems than it solves.

If there is such an all-powerful being, why would there only be one of them? If one could exist, why not many?

Why would such an infinitely superior being be worried about having pathetically lesser creatures worhiping it and begging on their needs for forgiveness because they are indeed lesser creatures?

Who's fault would that be anyway?

The picture doesn't even begin to make sense. It certainly dosn't solve problems, it just creates more questions.

Any religion that attempts to instill blame and guilt on those who aren't getting anything from it, is clearly a lost cause to begin with.

Any religion that views non-believers in a negative light has already lost any crediblity of being from a 'divine' source.

splendidlife


I think this was a good place for you to do some research. There are so many diverse thought processes here. Not only that but you get to see almost every level of belief from the polar extremes to the mild belief that a creator exists but remains mostly undefined. It's good for people to know that all those levels exist before they make a connection to any one of them.

Since I've been here almost every person who has joined has made a similar discovery as you. There is a community here, it can happen on-line and there are connections made everyday. Many have tried to leave, but ended up coming back. I write when I breaks from school, like now. In a couple weeks I'll be inundated with homework and will have little time, other to look in and check that this cyber world still turns, with everyone I know, in it.

One last thing, get involved with some of the threads. You will be requestion to reference your writing and that will MAKE you do some research. Trust you'll learn a great deal by doing so.

I won't answer your question in parts... I'll just state it simply.

What's my agenda? Oh, I'm just here to start an arguement. I've argued both for and against my own religion on these threads.

Why do I do it? Well, the religion threads are the only ones in which I am able to post and still have my ramblings read. This thread draws a person back because someone will take offense to something you said, and you will have to defend yourself. It's easier to start a debate here than in the politics section. I've said it before, and I'll say it now: I'm just poking the bear with a stick.

If I'm lucky, something I say may have a profound affect on someone, but I rarely say anything worth discussion, and even rarer is something profound (profane sure, profound nope). Nope not deep here, just glad to have someone to talk too.

TLW


I don't know about that Miguel. You are one of the believers whose belief is not always driven by illogical all conclusive dogma. Although at times your believe is cemented in, a great deal of the time you adhere to the proposition that a persons believe system is personal. That can't be all bad, after all, if there are going to be believers, it would be good if they all kept their beleifs on a personal level.

I can't say i tropp out looking to convert people, that's not my way. I do, however, like to remind people that there are still Pagans out there, and we're just as valid as any other religion

My only confusion is the same since I started in this religion forum.
If the atheist, non-christian, pantheist or whatever you want to call it have reached such level of enlightment to render christianity and christians delusional why they feel so threatened?
I mean a new ager can come to me and start talking about aliens, karma, tarot reading, and I don't know what other kind of things that for me are an absolute non-sense.
I can hear this person, I can find his/her points very amusing, but that's it.
I don't need to feel paranoic.
I see some atheists who just feel because a christian call them "son of evil" (which is just wrong) they freak out.
I don't support the use of the Bible to judge others.
However, if the one who calls me "son of evil" is a delusional to me. wel his/her statements must be very funny and amusing to me.

agen·da
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈjen-də\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, neuter plural of agendum, gerundive of agere
Date: 1871
1 : a list or outline of things to be considered or done <agendas of faculty meetings>

2 : >>>an underlying often ideological plan or program <a political agenda<<<<

— agen·da·less \-də-ləs\ adjective

TRIBO:

If your reffering to the second above definition - then i have none.


if you mean the below definition:




Main Entry: hidden agenda
Function: noun
Date: 1971
: >>>an ulterior motive<<<

the answer is YES

but i cant tell you what it is, or otherwise it wouldn't be hidden any more would it -

R.O.

I'm always game for a debate or even an argument, you have never poked me with your stick. I feel so ignored.

JB

Oh yes that is definetly different then how I was brought up. My family allowed me to choose a religion when I grew old enough to choose. Today I am still don't represent any religous organization and to tell you the truth I am very happy without one. I enjoy the freedom of listening and believing or not believing the many various idealogies of what could or could not be.

Well Protestants, Catholics, Jews and Muslims have been killing each other for eons.

They are threatening to have a horrific mother of all wars over the Middle East.

I think atheists, non-christians, and pantheists have every right to ask them to stop it.

It's our planet too!

We live here.

In defense of my Church. It understood that using my Lord for war is just an attrocity centuries ago.
Check your sources.

I do find it amusing when christians tell me i'm going to hell, as though that meant something to me.

exactly, my point.
it should be something very amusing

I can't really get angry about it, because it ust doesnt apply to me.

I do, however, get angry when people use religion as a tool for controlling people. Mostly when adults use it toward children.

I honestly don't believe religion should be forced on any child for any reason. It should be left until they're old enough to make their own choice

Abra


I agree!



I would enjoy a topic about this. I have some areas of question and some in agreement and disagreement. This could be an interesting topic, you should post it. “Is spirituality innate?”

Abra


I still go with the freak accident, at least for now. I’m not one that needs to have all the answers.

I really do understand that as an atheist I believe when my life ends it’s over, done forever. I don’t like that notion but I’ve spent my life digging into the depths of that idea and what I always come up with is that, as humans our programming simply cannot allow us to believe we can end, cease to exist. If our programming did, it would greatly conflict with our survival instinct. Part of that instinct includes morality. So you see, there really is an explanation for why humans feel a need to follow a faith in which death is not the end of our existence.

Abra


I so enjoy learning from you. You have a way of stating highly intellectual information to make it easy to understand. I have also enjoyed hearing about your spiritual theories because as I previously stated, I don’t like the notion that death is the end, but I have come to terms with it anyway.

There is also the fact the so much of the information you are imparting is still in its youth. History continues to show us how little we thought we new. I see no reason to just the gun, create conclusions or make anything other than science fiction out of what science has so far. I’m just sittin back waitin.

Abra


You do that, and I’ll give you a great big hug for caring enough to remember.