100% FREE ONLINE DATING
sponsored links
Previous
| Topic: God created everything correct? | |
|---|---|
|
|
|
Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. Very interesting passage. "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him..." Very interesting indeed.... 
JB Read this for an in-depth discussion of these events: http://www.learnthebible.org/q_a_an_evil_spirit_from_the_lord.htm In Hebrew (and Jewish culture in general), an action verb can mean that the subject "allowed" the action to be performed on the object of the verb. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee Interpreting this (out of context) as "God sent the evil spirit" is equally valid as "God allowed an evil spirit to be sent". In context (the entirety of the Bible), we see that the second option (God allowed an evil spirit to be sent) is the only valid interpretation. whether sent or allowed, god did the doing. It's not a matter of being "out of context" - it's a matter of god -doing/allowing it to be so. which raises the question why? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. Very interesting passage. "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him..." Very interesting indeed....
JB Read this for an in-depth discussion of these events: http://www.learnthebible.org/q_a_an_evil_spirit_from_the_lord.htm In Hebrew (and Jewish culture in general), an action verb can mean that the subject "allowed" the action to be performed on the object of the verb. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee Interpreting this (out of context) as "God sent the evil spirit" is equally valid as "God allowed an evil spirit to be sent". In context (the entirety of the Bible), we see that the second option (God allowed an evil spirit to be sent) is the only valid interpretation. whether sent or allowed, god did the doing. It's not a matter of being "out of context" - it's a matter of god -doing/allowing it to be so. which raises the question why? so why??? Does anyone in this god forsaken world know!!! 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Maybe for his ego. He gave us choices and he wanted us to pick him. Is god supposed to have an ego? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
so why??? Does anyone in this god forsaken world know!!!
Saul was repeatedly sinning. After God picked David as Saul's successor to the throne, Saul spent the rest of his life trying to kill David. So God stopped blessing Saul and instead allowed evil spirits to torment Saul. That's why. It's clearly explained in the scriptures. As we see in Job, God can allow demons to have their way with someone. God can limit their ability to torment someone (as God did by forbidding Satan from killing Job). People seem to think that a demon would need instructions to hurt people, that's simply not true. The innate hatred for humanity that demons have is a strong clue to why Satan rebelled. God knew that Saul would be tormented by the demons if he allowed it, so God allowed that to happen. Saul knew that God was allowing evil spirits to torment him, that was a very strong hint that God was not pleased with Saul's behavior. The evil spirit's tormenting of Saul COULD have brought Saul to repentance and back into God's good graces, but Saul was too set in his ways. He was obstinate and refused to repent. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Theodicy... To test us. To see if we will choose good or evil. Why test us? Because those who pass the test will live in heaven. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
so why??? Does anyone in this god forsaken world know!!!
Saul was repeatedly sinning. After God picked David as Saul's successor to the throne, Saul spent the rest of his life trying to kill David. So God stopped blessing Saul and instead allowed evil spirits to torment Saul. That's why. It's clearly explained in the scriptures. As we see in Job, God can allow demons to have their way with someone. God can limit their ability to torment someone (as God did by forbidding Satan from killing Job). People seem to think that a demon would need instructions to hurt people, that's simply not true. The innate hatred for humanity that demons have is a strong clue to why Satan rebelled. God knew that Saul would be tormented by the demons if he allowed it, so God allowed that to happen. Saul knew that God was allowing evil spirits to torment him, that was a very strong hint that God was not pleased with Saul's behavior. The evil spirit's tormenting of Saul COULD have brought Saul to repentance and back into God's good graces, but Saul was too set in his ways. He was obstinate and refused to repent. Very interesting what you write and thank you for the information! I just got done reading about Job, which is a interesting story also! Thank you for your insight 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
so why??? Does anyone in this god forsaken world know!!!
Saul was repeatedly sinning. After God picked David as Saul's successor to the throne, Saul spent the rest of his life trying to kill David. So God stopped blessing Saul and instead allowed evil spirits to torment Saul. That's why. It's clearly explained in the scriptures. As we see in Job, God can allow demons to have their way with someone. God can limit their ability to torment someone (as God did by forbidding Satan from killing Job). People seem to think that a demon would need instructions to hurt people, that's simply not true. The innate hatred for humanity that demons have is a strong clue to why Satan rebelled. God knew that Saul would be tormented by the demons if he allowed it, so God allowed that to happen. Saul knew that God was allowing evil spirits to torment him, that was a very strong hint that God was not pleased with Saul's behavior. The evil spirit's tormenting of Saul COULD have brought Saul to repentance and back into God's good graces, but Saul was too set in his ways. He was obstinate and refused to repent. Very interesting what you write and thank you for the information! I just got done reading about Job, which is a interesting story also! Thank you for your insight
You are welcome. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
The destruction of the male of a species takes place in many parts of the animal kingdom. Some times it just takes longer.
Statistics show that married females will outlive their male counterparts in the majority of cases. Which poses the question: Why do husbands generally die before their wives? We all know the answer to this: "Because they want too." |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe?
Did he also create Violence, Diseases, Cannibilism, etc. The biblical account of creation has man's fall from the grace of God being responsible for all of that. Clearly man cannot be responsible for that since death, violence, disease, and so forth were always part of nature long before man came onto the scene. Therefore this picture of God much be discounted as mythology. It's no different from Greek Mythology in that respect. Greek Mythology held that the Gods lived atop Mt. Olympus. But no gods were found on the top of that mountain. Biblical Mythology held that mankind is responsible for the imperfections of the world, but alas we know that this isn't true. The fall of mythologies is a common thing. 
Some people still like to believe in them. Just like some people still believe in ghosts, vampires, and all the other mythological creatures. I believe in M&Ms. I'm eating some right now. Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
Once again Abra use use one Myth as a premise to disprove the other. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
The destruction of the male of a species takes place in many parts of the animal kingdom. Some times it just takes longer. Statistics show that married females will outlive their male counterparts in the majority of cases. Which poses the question: Why do husbands generally die before their wives? We all know the answer to this: "Because they want too." I don't want to die before my wife
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Actually Funches - if you took a little closer look at scripture, you'll find that it was the angels who rebelled against God who created evil -before man, else how could man be enticed into evil? So that drops man from your loop. Where does that leave us? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
hmmm? not sure of that one funches - didn't god say to the other gods - man has become like us "knowing both good and "evil"? If he knew of it before man was created wouldn't that mean that it had existed before the creation of man? were the angels not guilty of evil in rebelling against god? did he not say of the tree and call it the tree of knowledge of good and "evil"? it appears evil was around long before man was. i'm not sure as to whether it states in the bibble whether god did or didnot create evil?? i look into it though. I was going with "according to believers" because they will insist that God can do no wrong and that Man created evil but as you said the fact that God created the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil proves that evil existed before Man and that Man is not reasonable for it's creation ..it is therefore ejected from The Third Testament What "believers" are those to whom you are speaking for? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Theodicy... To test us. To see if we will choose good or evil. Why test us? Because those who pass the test will live in heaven. C'mon spider that's not what i was asking. If Evil has been known for eternity by god, testing us did not come along for quite awhile, yet if it's existed for as long as god has, then since the angels fell first, it was not intended for man as you say to test us. besides why test us with evil if you already know the outcome is going to be sin? you make god sound like a cruel teacher at best and a fool at worst. Either way it does not explain why god would allow evil in his creation that he claims was "good" at the beginning. If his intent was to create everything good, and he knew that evil was the opposite of that then why allow it? can he not control evil? could he not have done away with evil long before creation? so why then, being perfectly good, did he not do so? It is stated that god cannot be in the presence of sin - EVER - yet if evil (which is sin) "unrighteousness! - existed with god from the beginning then how can that be true? Try to encompass more than your believed benefits of you being given prizes and gifts for believing such as you do. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Actually Funches - if you took a little closer look at scripture, you'll find that it was the angels who rebelled against God who created evil -before man, else how could man be enticed into evil? So that drops man from your loop. Where does that leave us? Angels "create????? hmmm? you'll have to show me that one eljay? as far as i know angels can create nothing, only "god" is capable of creating something from nothing according to what i've read, i'll be interested in hearing more about this!! |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I saw a film in which an angel fell to earth but mainly she was interested in "experiencing men" and eating french fries. You have to remember they don’t get a lot of that up in heaven or the cosmos or wherever they normally congregate. This one crash landed. She didn’t create anything either.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I saw a film in which an angel fell to earth but mainly she was interested in "experiencing men" and eating french fries. You have to remember they don’t get a lot of that up in heaven or the cosmos or wherever they normally congregate. This one crash landed. She didn’t create anything either. What no Mcdonalds in Heaven??
|
|
|
|
|
|
Edited by
Jeanniebean
on
Thu 07/31/08 12:52 PM
|
|
Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Actually Funches - if you took a little closer look at scripture, you'll find that it was the angels who rebelled against God who created evil -before man, else how could man be enticed into evil? So that drops man from your loop. Where does that leave us? You hit the nail on the head Eljay. Except these so-called fallen angels from the sky are just Aliens or inner or extra terrestrials. They are the draconian brotherhood and they are very nasty and "evil" creatures. These creatures were simply mistook for gods and angels. Don't be fooled by humanity's primitive ignorance and their calling them "fallen angels or rebelling angels of god. If these creatures started dropping from the sky today, they would be considered an invading force of aliens, not "fallen angels." That was just the terms for them used and translated by ignorant mankind. JB |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Theodicy... To test us. To see if we will choose good or evil. Why test us? Because those who pass the test will live in heaven. C'mon spider that's not what i was asking. If Evil has been known for eternity by god, testing us did not come along for quite awhile, yet if it's existed for as long as god has, then since the angels fell first, it was not intended for man as you say to test us. besides why test us with evil if you already know the outcome is going to be sin? you make god sound like a cruel teacher at best and a fool at worst. Either way it does not explain why god would allow evil in his creation that he claims was "good" at the beginning. If his intent was to create everything good, and he knew that evil was the opposite of that then why allow it? can he not control evil? could he not have done away with evil long before creation? so why then, being perfectly good, did he not do so? It is stated that god cannot be in the presence of sin - EVER - yet if evil (which is sin) "unrighteousness! - existed with god from the beginning then how can that be true? Try to encompass more than your believed benefits of you being given prizes and gifts for believing such as you do. You are laboring under a false assumption, evil does not exist. Evil is a adjective and you seem to be treating it as a noun. Evil didn't "exist" forever, only God is eternal. To the Christian, evil is anything which goes against the will of God. Evil actions were first committed by Satan, which means that evil started at a finite time. Following that, you ask questions that I have answered many times in these forums. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that I present arguments and explanations, which are summarily ignored and then the topic is brought up again. HELLO? Are we trying to reason with one another or speak to hear our own voices. If you have issues with my logic or explanation of a topic, then bring it up then and address them, it make no sense to ignore my posts and repeat your assertions again later lIke I should have to respond to the same arguments and questions ad infinitum. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Theodicy... To test us. To see if we will choose good or evil. Why test us? Because those who pass the test will live in heaven. C'mon spider that's not what i was asking. If Evil has been known for eternity by god, testing us did not come along for quite awhile, yet if it's existed for as long as god has, then since the angels fell first, it was not intended for man as you say to test us. besides why test us with evil if you already know the outcome is going to be sin? you make god sound like a cruel teacher at best and a fool at worst. Either way it does not explain why god would allow evil in his creation that he claims was "good" at the beginning. If his intent was to create everything good, and he knew that evil was the opposite of that then why allow it? can he not control evil? could he not have done away with evil long before creation? so why then, being perfectly good, did he not do so? It is stated that god cannot be in the presence of sin - EVER - yet if evil (which is sin) "unrighteousness! - existed with god from the beginning then how can that be true? Try to encompass more than your believed benefits of you being given prizes and gifts for believing such as you do. You are laboring under a false assumption, evil does not exist. Evil is a adjective and you seem to be treating it as a noun. Evil didn't "exist" forever, only God is eternal. To the Christian, evil is anything which goes against the will of God. Evil actions were first committed by Satan, which means that evil started at a finite time. Following that, you ask questions that I have answered many times in these forums. It is absolutely mind boggling to me that I present arguments and explanations, which are summarily ignored and then the topic is brought up again. HELLO? Are we trying to reason with one another or speak to hear our own voices. If you have issues with my logic or explanation of a topic, then bring it up then and address them, it make no sense to ignore my posts and repeat your assertions again later lIke I should have to respond to the same arguments and questions ad infinitum. Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. |
|
|
|
|
