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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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sorry
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Thu 07/31/08 09:05 AM
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I was still typing when it sent... darn windows key
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Thu 07/31/08 09:06 AM
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still sorry
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Thu 07/31/08 09:06 AM
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sure had a lot of these - real sorry
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Thu 07/31/08 09:07 AM
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Totally my bad
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you sure are getting a lot of use out of that 
but isn't that the weirdest thing in the world! Wow I was like what the heck! The female bites the males head off! And you consider this unusual for a female of a species? Lord knows I've had my |
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Edited by
RoamingOrator
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Thu 07/31/08 09:08 AM
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sorry, I left the above one so hopefully you all will remember where we were.
I apologize |
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I'm so embarressed
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hmmm? not sure of that one funches - didn't god say to the other gods - man has become like us "knowing both good and "evil"? If he knew of it before man was created wouldn't that mean that it had existed before the creation of man? were the angels not guilty of evil in rebelling against god? did he not say of the tree and call it the tree of knowledge of good and "evil"? it appears evil was around long before man was. i'm not sure as to whether it states in the bibble whether god did or didnot create evil?? i look into it though. I was going with "according to believers" because they will insist that God can do no wrong and that Man created evil but as you said the fact that God created the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil proves that evil existed before Man and that Man is not reasonable for it's creation ..it is therefore ejected from The Third Testament just curious, do you have a list of what is in the 3rd testament? so far in The Third Testament Thread maybe two contradictions will make the list but since the thread just started I have to get each a chance to be debated like you just did with this one ..if they are not debated then they will make the list but at any time can be debated off the list Gotcha, i'll look to see what two your talking of on your post thnx. Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. |
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Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. Very interesting passage. "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him..." Very interesting indeed.... 
JB |
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Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. Very interesting passage. "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him..." Very interesting indeed....
JB Read this for an in-depth discussion of these events: http://www.learnthebible.org/q_a_an_evil_spirit_from_the_lord.htm In Hebrew (and Jewish culture in general), an action verb can mean that the subject "allowed" the action to be performed on the object of the verb. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee Interpreting this (out of context) as "God sent the evil spirit" is equally valid as "God allowed an evil spirit to be sent". In context (the entirety of the Bible), we see that the second option (God allowed an evil spirit to be sent) is the only valid interpretation. |
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Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Well I'm not sure that it's man who created evil...but man is subject to it by choice. To do or not to do...that is the question. 
that God created the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is an indication that it was not Man that created evil but God ...also it means that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of what evil was ..which may indicate that Man had "no choice" but to assimulate evil since it was thrust upon them by God .. I see many questions and contradictions that will arise from this and may have to take this debate to The Third Testament Thread ..Quipstepper you may have open a can of worms that may actually disprove the concept the bible is based on |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 07/31/08 09:58 AM
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Getting back on that praying mantis reproductive policy, I would imagine this is based on the fact that she is more important in terms of laying her eggs and continuing the proliferation of the species. The males at that point, become useless except to give her nourishment. Also, with one less male around, it would serve to eliminate the competition for food sources while she lays her eggs. That’s my guess anyway. It makes sense from a purely biological/reproductive stand point.
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Getting back on that praying mantis reproductive policy, I would imagine this is based on the fact that she is more important in terms of laying her eggs and continuing the proliferation of the species. The males at that point, become useless except to give her nourishment. Also, with one less male around, it also serves to eliminate the competition for food sources while she lays her eggs. That’s my guess anyway. It makes sense from a purely biological/reproductive stand point. That's some sound thinking. I would also point out that it's not just the female that is cannibalistic. The male will eat any baby mantises that he catches. Also, if the male escapes from the females clutches, he is almost certainly physically or mentally (or both) superior to most other males. The fact that inferior males are eaten means that superior specimens have a better chance at spreading their genes, ensuring a stronger species as a whole. |
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That makes sense. How often are males escaping, if ever?
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That makes sense. How often are males escaping, if ever? From what I understand, it is rare. The males are smaller and weaker than the females. Statistically, the number of males should never go up. As the males improve genetically, so do the females. |
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Actually it says in the bible (all through Samuel) "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him." Which in and of itself implies that God is capable of evil. All things come from God, he created the angels that rebelled, so in theory, he created evil. Very interesting passage. "and an evil spirit from the Lord moved over him..." Very interesting indeed....
JB Read this for an in-depth discussion of these events: http://www.learnthebible.org/q_a_an_evil_spirit_from_the_lord.htm In Hebrew (and Jewish culture in general), an action verb can mean that the subject "allowed" the action to be performed on the object of the verb. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee Interpreting this (out of context) as "God sent the evil spirit" is equally valid as "God allowed an evil spirit to be sent". In context (the entirety of the Bible), we see that the second option (God allowed an evil spirit to be sent) is the only valid interpretation. I think it was one of those fourth dimensional reptilians or the spawn of a demonic fallen angel trying to take control of him. JB |
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 07/31/08 10:44 AM
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I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been?
If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? |
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I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? EXACTLY!!!! Check that man out!!! I said exactly the same thing in the For Atheists thread |
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I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Maybe for his ego. He gave us choices and he wanted us to pick him. |
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