Thanks. I realize that most people can't or won't see the significance in it. But goddess worship is here although it is more underground.

JB

True. Paganism is alive and well today and many people practice. However, yes, it often chooses to remain underground out of fear. Generally they are mild mannered folks who don’t desire a lot of trouble. When was the last time you were accosted by a Pagan solicitor at your doorstep, proselytizing and passing off a handful of lit at 900 am on Saturday morning?

Aside from those that share these beliefs in the present time, there is ample evidence to support the existence of an Earth based religion that predates Christianity by thousands of years.

yep, goddess worship goes back to at least 30,000 yrs. before the time of the bible.

Yes and if you buy into the excavations of Catul and so forth that is proclaiming 7500 B.C.E for the lowest layers. It is the largest and best preserved Neolithic site found to date. I don’t think this is minimizing Christianity to simply acknowledge these findings. It is what it is. Another puzzle piece. Let it go at that. I imagine that humans, in their earliest forms of civilization were very fearful at times and to see a woman giving birth was quite profound. It’s only natural that they base their religious beliefs on this capability. A woman gives birth as the earth gives birth and they both share cycles, so on and so forth...it does not require a rocket scientist...Some of the most profound revelations to humankind have been such truths cast in plain view.

i believe if you go back to when mankind arrived here he was extremely knowledgeable and has devolved over time. not evolved, but that's just my take on things as JB would say.

I think I would agree.

Religion in that time period might have been based more on gut instinct and what was actually there presented for all to see. My assumption is that it took these early humans some time before they even derived the correlation between intercourse and an infant arriving nine months later. It was probably quite spooky for them. Even after they made the connection, the woman still had the main functional role as far as delivering the child.

Sorry Krimsa, i meant i believe that we came here from someplace else, another dimension or universe, we settled the planet and brought forth life as we now know it, and during that past time we have devolved, our knowledge has diminished greatly, almost extinguished, and we are just 'barely' starting to get back to where we once were.

think of it as the difference between NOW and the dark ages - only much much more so to say the least. my thoughts anyway -

I think I still agree. Maybe not so much the outer space aspect but we kind of had one mind set and then another thought process took that over at a certain point in time and quite forcibly, yet we still remember the original way of doing things. It’s confusing I guess.

god didn't create everything.
just the capability to create everything.

You could be correct Tribo. I think that at one time all life forms including humanoids communicated via telepathically. That being so, they also were more connected, understood each other better, learned faster, etc. When that was taken or devolved away from them, they fell into fear and ignorance as generations pasted.

Just a thought.

JB

I don't know about telepathy, but I would agree that humans are devolving. It might be nice for the rest of the planet when we go away.

The signs of our devolution are obvious. We are losing some of our senses (maybe we've already lost the 6th huh JB?). Humans cannot use their olfactory sense near as well as we could 15,000 years ago. How many can actually use their ears to distinguish dangers and things approaching? Very few, the background noise of our cities drown most things out. Plus with the excess, our brains put up more bio-filters to block out what isn't needed. Touch for vibrations, anyone still know how to do that? And with all of us staring at moniters, how long before the eyes go?

When I say the people on this planet are losing there senses, well, I guess I kind of have a double meaning on that one.

thanks G, In my book i write on that, how great it must have been to communicate with another with a sure knowing of what the other meant, no guessing or wondering or taking their words wrongly, but knowing that you knew exactly what the other wanted you to know. I believe all higher beings have that ability just as i believe we had it once also, and emotions were of the same way too. In a setting such as that no one would even have a reason to lie or cheat or steal, nor would it be possible to hide it to any degree if you had, truth would reign supreme as would love and all understanding, and yes, both knowledge and wisdom would be know by all and any that lacked would have instant access and mental thoughts of not just what and why - but "how" to do whatever needed to be done. But with our now shrunken minds it is a long climb back up, can we do it? not sure, I'm not sure if there is time or if we would realize when we had reached the top again. when you evolve your always going up, when you devolve - how do you know for sure when you've reached where you once were? - still working on that part -

It kind of cracks me up that you think that telepathy would be a good thing. That because it is perceived as a higher power, it is by defintion better.

Do you understand the consequences of absolute truth? The anger and pain of mind that would be associated with it? In a telepathic world, even passing thoughts would be felt and heard. Things you think when riled or frustrated would be felt and heard by those around as well. I know I've often had things role through my mind that I'd never want said. I mean there are people that I see every day that irritate me, but they wouldn't know that because I treat them with common curtisy. Telepathy allows for the invasion of the mind from outside, no secrets either. I'm sure everyone done something they aren't proud of, no hiding it.

Sometimes devolving takes place because its good.

This is a fascinating subject. Tribo, I do think that we definitely hit bottom and are slowly climbing back up.

Robert Monroe talks about how entities communicate with each other by passing something they called a "rote." It was was ball of light or energy that was a like a holographic movie instead of a book. You could "read" it at will going in and coming out of it. It took him through the actual experience itself of what was being communicated in a holographic type way. He did not use the word "holographic.) But he said it was like being there, yet he could save it for later reading or read it all at once right then. It was not forced on him, it was simply handed to him.

I have a friend who remembers a place where she said that "books" in this library were like that.

People who are psychic and people who say that they communicate with animals say that they see things in picture or movie form in their minds.

JB

We definitely have six senses not five. We have almost completely lost number six, but it can be brought back. The sixth sense is said to be the natural ability to sense a predator's intentions or that you are in danger, but I think it probably involves more than that. I think it involves telepathy.

I have experienced telepathic communication on a number of occasions in my life very clearly. It was clear what the message was and who it was from and it was over a distance. It was almost like I had a microphone attached to my head. The message was from persons I was very close to though. One was from my long time love, and the other was from my sister who I was living with at the time. So it was not like I was bothered with the thoughts of everyone passing by.

These messages were purposely and specifically directed to me and I received them, so they were not just a mind reading experience.

I have always wondered why I get very bad headaches and feel many different emotions in a large airport or any place where there are a lot of people.

Robert Monroe talks about the noise. There is a certain frequency or layer where there is a lot of thought noise and it is loud confusing mass of vibrations coming from the earth inhabitants. If you were tuned into all of that it could drive you nuts. You have to know how to tune it out I guess.

JB

I do genuinely believe that some people have either retained or refined their psychic capabilities. However the extent of my knowledge is merely from true life crime novels I have read in which the police have exhausted all leads and will sometimes employ the use of a psychic to dig up something. They do STILL utilize psychics in their investigations. In fact, even the FBI has been known to seek out the aid of psychics. That is nothing to poo hoo.

I read one story about the police who questioned a psychic about a young boy who had gone missing. The length of time he had been gone stretched into years. That is usually when the assumption has to be made that the child is dead. This psychic pinpointed an area of the city that they needed to look. Yes, she was seeing images like a movie. She kept insisting on this red car and described it. A red car over and over again. They found an apartment complex that she wanted searched. There was a blue car parked out front. Anyway, they found this boy alive in one of these apartments. One of the detectives was suspicious of the blue car's paint job and scratched it with his key and it was a crappy, half assed paint job that had been done over red paint.

your making it sound likw mind invasion, you misunderstand, you have the power to keep thoughts to yourself, it's not like mel gibsons movie where he has all the womens thoughts coming at him all at once, or jim carry's movie of being god and hearing everyones prayers at once, your not out of control of your own mind or thoughts, what i'm saying is that in such a scenario there would be no real need to keep your thoughts hidden you would have no real good reason to do so, but you still could if you wanted to. Your thinking is connected with how we are now, not what we or others were, and i agree that it would not be good if one had the power now in the state of mind mankind is in, it would not work or be welcome at least for me.

I have two very close friends here in this town where I live and we all read tarot cards, but one of them (Val) is very psychic. She uses the cards, but she never really needs them to do a "reading."

She was raised Catholic and had hidden and repressed this ability all her life. She can communicate with people who have passed on and she can come up with information that no way could have come from any tarot card. I am a believer in her abilities. She could make a fortune (Like Silvia Brown does) but she is very reclusive and does not like all that attention nor does she like to charge for readings.)

JB

I agree. It is not like mind invasion. Communication is a mutual and very directed thing between two individuals. I try to practice it with my pets when I think of it. I try to feel what they are communicating.

JB

though i don't know RM, it sounds like were on the same page, though i'm not sure how many frequencies we are able to tune into as of now, it could be more than we ever thought or know of.
your right i have 2a few experiences also but all were when i was younger between the ages of 12 and 17, then they diminished and disappeared, i think that i kept devolving - hahah, and as i got older i started to revisit what i remembered and it started coming back of those things. the mind can be a most powerful thing.