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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. so can i then conclude also that "good" is the same? do i have your permission to do so? if yes then why call god good and the devil evil if this non entity does not exist? and i beg to differ with you i have seen evil, it does exist, it is an entity. though not human in physical nature. |
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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. so can i then conclude also that "good" is the same? do i have your permission to do so? if yes then why call god good and the devil evil if this non entity does not exist? and i beg to differ with you i have seen evil, it does exist, it is an entity. though not human in physical nature. "The devil is evil." Evil is used to describe the devil. You aren't saying "The devil is an evil".  This is really sad...
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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. so can i then conclude also that "good" is the same? do i have your permission to do so? if yes then why call god good and the devil evil if this non entity does not exist? and i beg to differ with you i have seen evil, it does exist, it is an entity. though not human in physical nature. "The devil is evil." Evil is used to describe the devil. You aren't saying "The devil is an evil". This is really sad...
no im saying that evil itself is an entity without shape or form as compared to this dimension and it does exist outside of what you believe it to be as you've stated. and no im not talking of demons or fallen angels - i'm talknig of evil as a stand alone entity. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 07/31/08 02:19 PM
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Ya know, the Pagan communities (we can bring them up right) don’t believe at all in polarized opposites or "good" and "evil". They leave all that to the Christians to argue and debate. Essentially most Pagan or Earth/Goddess based religions kind of accept it all in stride. They realize that humans are both good and bad inherently and there is nothing wrong with that necessarily. It’s just the way it is. A lot of it is based in one's perception. Is winter evil? Not really, though it’s damn cold and it’s a "time of death" for the earth. Yet it is absolutely essential to sustain life. I just thought I would throw that out there. Feel free to grumble and dismiss accordingly.
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Ya know, the Pagan communities (we can bring them up right) don’t believe at all in polarized opposites or "good" and "evil". They leave all that to the Christians to argue and debate. Essentially most Pagan or Earth/Goddess based religions kind of accept it all in stride. They realize that humans are both good and bad inherently and there is nothing wrong with that necessarily. It’s just the way it is. A lot of it is based in one's perception. Is winter evil? Not really, though it’s damn cold and it’s a "time of death" for the earth. Yet it is absolutely essential to sustain life. I just thought I would throw that out there. Feel free to grumble and dismiss accordingly. i cant agree with you Krisma, but i'll defend your right to believe it. |
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Oh, I wasn't trying to say one way or another. It’s true there are people on this planet that one might define as "evil". I think the point that these religions try to make is that the invention of a devil or a god is just not the way to go about it and to be more open to the possibility that the two coincide quite interchangeably. There is in fact no devil held in the Pagan belief structure. Nothing even defined as pure evil.
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Oh, I wasn't trying to say one way or another. It’s true there are people on this planet that one might define as "evil". I think the point that these religions try to make is that the invention of a devil or a god is just not the way to go about it and to be more open to the possibility that the two coincide quite interchangeably. There is in fact no devil held in the Pagan belief structure. Nothing even defined as pure evil. quite interesting, i have to say that since I've seen evil in a other dimensional form i have to conclude it is an entity, and not just an action or a result of disobedience or other stated things. no i don't believe in the devil or god as understood by religious beliefs, even pagan ones, but there is in my life's happenings a very real entity that is evil personified. i cannot ever forget the encounter. |
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hmmm? not sure of that one funches - didn't god say to the other gods - man has become like us "knowing both good and "evil"? If he knew of it before man was created wouldn't that mean that it had existed before the creation of man? were the angels not guilty of evil in rebelling against god? did he not say of the tree and call it the tree of knowledge of good and "evil"? it appears evil was around long before man was. i'm not sure as to whether it states in the bibble whether god did or didnot create evil?? i look into it though. I was going with "according to believers" because they will insist that God can do no wrong and that Man created evil but as you said the fact that God created the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil proves that evil existed before Man and that Man is not reasonable for it's creation ..it is therefore ejected from The Third Testament What "believers" are those to whom you are speaking for? "Eljay" well probably every debate on who created evil... Man was always blamed ...but I figure if I use a little reverse physchology and instead say that Man created something that God didn't and that God is not according to the bible the creator of everything in the universe that people would stop blaming Man for creating evil and rightly blame God ...it seem to have worked |
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hmmm? not sure of that one funches - didn't god say to the other gods - man has become like us "knowing both good and "evil"? If he knew of it before man was created wouldn't that mean that it had existed before the creation of man? were the angels not guilty of evil in rebelling against god? did he not say of the tree and call it the tree of knowledge of good and "evil"? it appears evil was around long before man was. i'm not sure as to whether it states in the bibble whether god did or didnot create evil?? i look into it though. I was going with "according to believers" because they will insist that God can do no wrong and that Man created evil but as you said the fact that God created the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil proves that evil existed before Man and that Man is not reasonable for it's creation ..it is therefore ejected from The Third Testament What "believers" are those to whom you are speaking for? "Eljay" well probably every debate on who created evil... Man was always blamed ...but I figure if I use a little reverse physchology and instead say that Man created something that God didn't and that God is not according to the bible the creator of everything in the universe that people would stop blaming Man for creating evil and rightly blame God ...it seem to have worked i'm not sure god created evil funches i think that the entity is part of god/source, just as the spirit is. |
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i'm not sure god created evil funches i think that the entity is part of god/source, just as the spirit is. but "Tribo" according to the Bible in the beginning was the word and the word was God ..the bible made no mention of the existence of an evil force which means that God had to have created this evil force or created evil ..but if as you say evil is a part of God that would make God a Holy quartet instead of a Holy trinity ...or that the Holy Spirit is a mindless force of Evil or the ID of God ... |
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i'm not sure god created evil funches i think that the entity is part of god/source, just as the spirit is. but "Tribo" according to the Bible in the beginning was the word and the word was God ..the bible made no mention of the existence of an evil force which means that God had to have created this evil force or created evil ..but if as you say evil is a part of God that would make God a Holy quartet instead of a Holy trinity ...or that the Holy Spirit is a mindless force of Evil or the ID of God ... it would make the biblical god that - not my god - 
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i'm not sure god created evil funches i think that the entity is part of god/source, just as the spirit is. but "Tribo" according to the Bible in the beginning was the word and the word was God ..the bible made no mention of the existence of an evil force which means that God had to have created this evil force or created evil ..but if as you say evil is a part of God that would make God a Holy quartet instead of a Holy trinity ...or that the Holy Spirit is a mindless force of Evil or the ID of God ... it would make the biblical god that - not my god -
all Gods are the same ..they belong to the same Union and have to follow all the same by-laws ..or you can tell how your God differ from the others |
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i'm not sure god created evil funches i think that the entity is part of god/source, just as the spirit is. but "Tribo" according to the Bible in the beginning was the word and the word was God ..the bible made no mention of the existence of an evil force which means that God had to have created this evil force or created evil ..but if as you say evil is a part of God that would make God a Holy quartet instead of a Holy trinity ...or that the Holy Spirit is a mindless force of Evil or the ID of God ... it would make the biblical god that - not my god -
all Gods are the same ..they belong to the same Union and have to follow all the same by-laws ..or you can tell how your God differ from the others god's have a union? hmm? is the pay good? nah thnx funches my belief in a creative force is already posted somewhere but it's close to what JB believes. |
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god's have a union? hmm? is the pay good? nah thnx funches my belief in a creative force is already posted somewhere but it's close to what JB believes. oh so you're a scientologist? |
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I trhink a more valid question is - has god known eternally of evil, has it always been? If so, then god could have kept all evil from happening if he is all powerful and all wise, yet he did not - why? Maybe for his ego. He gave us choices and he wanted us to pick him. Is god supposed to have an ego? Possibly. He likes us to give thanks to him. |
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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. so can i then conclude also that "good" is the same? do i have your permission to do so? if yes then why call god good and the devil evil if this non entity does not exist? and i beg to differ with you i have seen evil, it does exist, it is an entity. though not human in physical nature. "The devil is evil." Evil is used to describe the devil. You aren't saying "The devil is an evil". This is really sad...
the devil is no more than a religious monogram for evil - D - evil! it reffers to life and if spelled backwords gives the word "live" god even states that mans heart is continously EVIL - to have life is to be evil our core nature is one of selfishness, but the evil i speak of is an entity, not that which the bibble speaks of. |
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What is this evil personification you keep referring back to? Was it a person? Care to elaborate?
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god's have a union? hmm? is the pay good? nah thnx funches my belief in a creative force is already posted somewhere but it's close to what JB believes. oh so you're a scientologist? ?? is JB a scientologist? no i donot beleive in any religious sectarian takes on anything not even pantheism. i'm out of the religious loop so to say as far as holding a god accountable for anything good or evil. that is mans beliefs. |
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What is this evil personification you keep referring back to? Was it a person? Care to elaborate? nope but thanks for asking, that info will be in a book due out 20012-13 if i'm still alive by then. sorry. |
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You tease Tribo
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