Another platitude. So it's not all true that you are a woman? Do you have a penis? It's just ridiculous the silly, thoughtless things that pass as beliefs in these forums. I'm sure you will have a great response to this and I won't pretend to know what it is...probably something like "Gender is an illusion, it changes with every life we live in the holographic universe".

JennieBean this is according to the bible ..to discuss the belief logically nothing in the belief should be dismiss unless one can show that it's a falsehood or a contradiction or show a third option ..so according to the bible there was a great flood that possibly drown the Nephilim ..or maybe you can debate that some of them could have survived because maybe Noah or someone on the ark was a Nephilm

as i stated to eljay, Funch:

nope not at all - think eljay, - where was man located then? upon "all" the known earth as we know it today? of course not - it was there in the beginning where the flood took place not the entire globe, unless you believe that man in such a short time had populated the entire planet as we know it today, do you? since were only talking a "few generations of man at that point this does not hold truth in my estimation of what i read. This would hold true for other life also, why bother flooding the whole globe? Had all the animals present in the garden and vicinity produced at such speed that the inhabited the entire earth by then? Did Adam really name all the animals as we know of today? Or just the ones present in the garden and vicinity? Also if there was life in the seas surrounding that area they would not have all died if they were aquatic species to begin with, why would they? Your thinking is to modernistic eljay, put yourself in the time and circumstances that were - not present day times. If you want to believe it's true, be my guest, but it's not in my opinion.

Even Paul when stating the gospel had been preached around the world did not mean the whole globe, only the world that was know by him and all others 'AT THE TIME"


therefore it becomes a moot point for debate as to whether or not the flood destroyed everything on the "entire planet" IMHO

If the Universe has always been expanding then, why not the Planet Earth? If so, one would have to take the whole Plate-Tectonics theory and throw it out the window. For example... What if the Earth was once much smaller and began w/ nothing but land (no seas). What if, as it expanded (much like the way a soccer ball may respond to being slowly, very slowly expanded), the areas of separation became ever-widening bodies of water and what are now our major oceans.

I know... Subduction (as modern Geology understands it) would have to be thrown out the window as well. Of course, Geologic time is way out of sync w/ scriptural time anyway. Still... I'd bet there's some ingenious way to manipulate numbers that isn't in discordance w/ scriptures to make it all add up in the end. If this insane notion might be possible... then, all the Earth could have been a much smaller area to populate.

"Tribo" you may be right or you may be wrong but you just can't assume you are right and claim moot-ism..all we can do is to go with according to the bible but if you feel that the bible is wrong in certain instances then that is exactly what this thread is about but the point has to be debated first so that it can be accurately place into The Third Testament

if you and JennieBean believe that Nephilim survived then this should be debated logical with according to the bible along side with the evidence you have..but even if you have no direct evidence you can still debate the point into a logical conclusion ..

so since the Flood is in the bible it can not be dismiss but you can debate if the flood actually cover the entire world and/or drown all nephilim ..but you also have to realize that some things are absolute ..like the hand of God drowning everyone ...God ususally don't make mistakes when they make a committent to kill

The earth isn't expanding, the universe is expanding, because the vacuum that contains the universe is expanding...at least that's one theory. The universe will gradually become more spread out, but the matter itself isn't expanding. it's like taking a single pat of butter and putting it on a biscuit vs taking the same sized pat of butter and putting it on Texas toast. Both would have the same amount of butter, but it would be spread more thinly on the toast.

I understand that logic completely and simply wished to make a point, by example, of how no one really knows for sure how the planet was populated.

granted Funch, i apologize, i will still stand by my post, but will give others the chance to refute, to continue though, God could have flooded the whole earth i will grant that as you say it is supposedly his right to do so, but the question remains - WHY? - if there was no mankind to drown outside of the area populated by mankind at that early time? unless you believe as some there were 2 different creations or creation stories, do you? Even then since supposedly the first boat was built in that area by Noah, how did the rest of the world get populated so quickly? I'll wait for response's, but i doubt i will get any Funch, it just isn't logical to think that way or believe such a thing, oh well.

plus it still does not answer the question of why all aquatic life would have to die if it was really being detroyed because of mankinds behavior. What harm had the jellyfish or other fish done to deserve death for the actions of man? and why would WATER all of a sudden DROWN them?

I believe that the surface of the earth was smaller and more easily traveled in the past. Genesis 1 describes the earth as having only one land mass, which later split apart. Imagine the newly created earth as being very smooth with only one land mass. The oceans were more shallow, so the total land area was smaller. Then some sort of seismic event occurred (perhaps a meteor impact), which caused the sea floor to start spreading (there is ample evidence that sea floor spreading happened on a large scale and is still happening). The sea floor spreading causes the oceans to sink and the land to rise. The end result is deeper oceans, higher land masses and a world which could no longer be flooded (in accordance with God's promise). A side effect would have been massive rain storms (Noah's flood). There is a model of Catastrophic Plate Tectonics which addresses more of the evidence that we find in nature than traditional plate tectonics and it suggests that the continents could have moved to near their current location very quickly. Look at the Himalaya, which have fossilized sea creatures near it's peak. Look at the fact that science has proven that the majority of the Americas were sea beds at one time. If you look at fossil evidence, it appears that very little of the earth wasn't sea bed at one time.

i know the theory but date wise does it match up to your book? was ALL the land mass you speak of inhabited by mankind at that time? where is your proof if so? how many people is said to have been living then millions, billions? look at how many live today and see how much is still uninhabited? the truth remains in my opinion that mankind had not moved more than a few hundred miles or so by the time god flooded the region, if you can prove biblically otherwise than please do.

If the surface of the Earth was smaller... would it not follow that it's contents had less mass?

Spider, please don't be ridiculous. I am talking about a body of information like a book. I am not talking about single statements of agreement like whether a person is male or female.

What Eljay is proposing is that I should believe that the Bible is either true in its entirety or completely false. That is illogical and ridiculous.

He also proposes that if a body of information is true, then every detail should be considered to be true, and if it is false then every detail must be considered false.

That is a foolish and very limiting way to evaluate information. I don't think I will subscribe to that method. Thank you very much but no thanks. You can if you want. That is not how I evaluate information.

It is the same as saying that if you ever told a lie, then everything you ever utter is to be considered a lie.

JB

It was smaller because the oceans weren't as deep. The mass of the earth didn't change, the depths of the ocean did. As the sea floor spread and descended, the land mass "grew". Which is really to say that some of the sea floor became dry land.

remember God also had two or three of every animal aboard the ark so he may have flooded the entire world to make sure that he destroyed all the other animals or insects and those humans they may have unintentionly drifted to another land and to make sure that the underground caverns hiding the ocassional Nephilim was flooded



in some animal species the more food there is the more offsprings they have ...maybe it was possible that women were having 7 or 8 babies at a time in them bibical days and having babies at an early age as the line "be fruitful and multiply" may imply ..but maybe its possible that it can be estimated how many people existed times how many children could have been born



water dwelling species may have died from other means like water contamination ..also they didn't die for the actions of Man they died but for the actions of God

No - but the "earth was covered". How do you get around water covering the highest mountain top? Are you thinking these people lived in a fish bowl? And the idea that they hid under ground... Well if they got there, for sure the water would.

Who's not thinking here? What you are asking me to do is search the inner depths of my mind to find an absurd circumstance that extends beyond the mirzculous in order to prove the miraculous couldn't exist. What exactly is it you'd like me to think?

You're losing me. YOU are the one who brought up Nephilim - A BIBLICAL reference, now you want to go beyond it to other myth's? Your delusional. Comes from banging your head against that wall for not paying attention in class when they were going over logic. An education is a terrible thing to waste.

But wouldn't this effect the way in which the planet revolves around the sun? As well as the moon governing tides? Even scientists will tell you that this phenomina would make for certain disaster. There would be no life on the planet if this were the case. Just the difference in temperature changes would be expodential. I think this theory can be dismissed.
As far as "expanding". Shifting - perhaps. I think that is fairly evident. Just the altered course of rivers would tend to support this kind of theory.

ok eljay funches, let's step back a pace or two here, i have to find out if you believe the world was created in a literal 6 day-24 hr. period of time or not? In otherwords do you hold to a literal - 144 hour creation? ( 6X24= 144 hrs.)

And just as easily - if JB and Tribo dismiss the flood, than Spider and I dismiss the Nephilim, which removes the entire debate from the 3rd Testiment. You can't have it both ways.

Doubt you'll get a response? Please.

You're assumption is that the purpose of the flood was to eliminate man. Your premise that man was centrally located and therefore megates the need to flood the whole earh is a false one - because the bible states that ALL of the creatures on the earth were to be wiped out. If a single sparrow flew to the center of Nebraska (as we know it to be now) - That's enough to cover the entire earth.

And it makes no reference about the "fish" drowning. Just the chemical dillusion of the ocean due to the extensive addition of fresh water (rain that is) would be enough for them to perish. Put a tuna in a swimming pool and see how long it lasts.

Now - you were saying....