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Topic: Sin....?.
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Fri 07/25/08 02:27 PM

JB

You are lumping all people who believe in the same book as being the same.

This simply is not true.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles


How was I doing that? I certainly don't think "all people who believe in the same book" are the same. The number of different religions proves that they aren't.

I was talking about religion in general. Or cults. They discourage seekers from looking elsewhere for truth.

I have found this to be true in several different religions.

JB

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Fri 07/25/08 02:30 PM
Thank you for your thoughts and welcome splendidlife!

JB

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Fri 07/25/08 02:43 PM
Thank you, JB
:o)

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Fri 07/25/08 02:50 PM

I was talking about religion in general. Or cults. They discourage seekers from looking elsewhere for truth.
I have found this to be true in several different religions.


Sadly they do. How can someone decide that one religion or another is the right one without having also "checked out" other ones?


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all?


You got it

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Fri 07/25/08 02:51 PM

I was talking about religion in general. Or cults. They discourage seekers from looking elsewhere for truth.
I have found this to be true in several different religions.


Sadly they do. How can someone decide that one religion or another is the right one without having also "checked out" other ones?


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all?


You got it

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Fri 07/25/08 02:52 PM
Edited by dangurtner on Fri 07/25/08 02:53 PM
double post

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Fri 07/25/08 02:55 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/25/08 02:56 PM

Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all?


You got it


To state that "Christianity" is not a religion is a gross fabrication.

I don't know why or how anyone thinks they can convince anyone of that.

A relationship with God is just that. It it not called "Christianity."

This suggests that Christians and Christianity THINK THEY OWN GOD.

JB

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Fri 07/25/08 03:00 PM

This suggests that Christians and Christianity THINK THEY OWN GOD.

JB


You may suggest whatever you want...
As a christian, I guess I'm here to tell you that that's not the case from my standpoint. If there are other christians out there who think they do..sorry

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Fri 07/25/08 03:27 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/25/08 03:30 PM


This suggests that Christians and Christianity THINK THEY OWN GOD.

JB


You may suggest whatever you want...
As a christian, I guess I'm here to tell you that that's not the case from my standpoint. If there are other christians out there who think they do..sorry


What else does it mean then? They say that Christianity IS NOT A RELIGION.

Then they say it is about RELATIONSHIP with god.

So then if that is true, everyone who believes in god and feels they have a relationship with god is a Christian. Right?

Not according to them. They then go on to insert all the trappings of their religion about Jesus who died for the sins of mankind and how you must accept him as your personal savior and believe on him, be born again .... etc etc etc..... WHICH IS A RELIGION.

And they say, no it is "not a religion" it is just about a relationship with god.... and back into the circle we go...on and on into an insane circle that does not make any sense.

News flash! Christianity is a religion. Period. Don't tell people it is not a religion. You can't divorce Jesus from his Church and throw away the Bible and the religion.

JB


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Fri 07/25/08 03:37 PM
Edited by feralcatlady on Fri 07/25/08 03:39 PM



Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?.

No answer yet ?.


Christianity is a fellowship with people who also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins....we pray together, we eat together, we get married and all are there...we have babies and all are there....someone is sick and all are there....someone needs to move and they are all there...someone dies and we all are there....

My relationship with Christ is a personal one.....one in which He has my heart, my soul, my mind forever and ever. And this again is not because this is what I was "Taught" to believe....it's because of circumstances to where I could "No" longer deny his existence and Christ's amazing Love for me.

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Fri 07/25/08 04:23 PM




Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?.

No answer yet ?.


Christianity is a fellowship with people who also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins....we pray together, we eat together, we get married and all are there...we have babies and all are there....someone is sick and all are there....someone needs to move and they are all there...someone dies and we all are there....

My relationship with Christ is a personal one.....one in which He has my heart, my soul, my mind forever and ever. And this again is not because this is what I was "Taught" to believe....it's because of circumstances to where I could "No" longer deny his existence and Christ's amazing Love for me.


Thank you Feralcatlady! waving That's a very good description of Christianity.happy flowerforyou

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Fri 07/25/08 05:21 PM
Edited by davidben1 on Fri 07/25/08 05:59 PM


I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding.

:smile:


the quest to obtain more knowledge is a sin ... as in the story of the Garden of Eden all Man needed to know was how to tend a garden and how to worship God and any knowledge beyond that God did not intend for Man to have which is why the desire to obtain knowledge is a desire to committ sin


or.......where one was before entering the world from the womb was as "perfect", AND "no effort" was required, AND all things humans hate, was not present, and all things humans love, was present, AND all imagination of good was possible, and all imaginations of bad did not, AND all good was LOVED, or worshipped, as god is GOOD TRUTH, AND when one was shot forth from the womb, kicked from the "garden", by passage thru the womb, the QUEST began, AND much misery would be felt in the process of "engaging" sin, which is said to be what causes unhappiness, about half of all things experienced while walking as a man, AND anytime one is seperated from the knowledge or understanding or TRUTH of where one came from, is said to be felt even as hell, seperated from the god the GOOD truth, AND sin was also said to be PLEASURE for much of the time as well........

so indeed perhaps "sin" was just a "state of being" from the time kicked from the womb, until one returns or finds the good truth, and ALL would pass thru this, AND there needed to be a word to describe, for the SAKE OF COMMUNICATION, OR DESCRIPTION..........

not ONE of these words deviate from text, but certainally show a different perspective, from the SAME words......

seems perhaps all words are just as PERCIEVED......

a definition of words not heard as bad, and none heard as good, make all words eqaul, which creates no bias, or biased perception........

perhaps each word EVER heard was always just BIASED, religion, lol........peace

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Fri 07/25/08 05:38 PM





Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?.

No answer yet ?.


Christianity is a fellowship with people who also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins....we pray together, we eat together, we get married and all are there...we have babies and all are there....someone is sick and all are there....someone needs to move and they are all there...someone dies and we all are there....

My relationship with Christ is a personal one.....one in which He has my heart, my soul, my mind forever and ever. And this again is not because this is what I was "Taught" to believe....it's because of circumstances to where I could "No" longer deny his existence and Christ's amazing Love for me.


Thank you Feralcatlady! waving That's a very good description of Christianity.happy flowerforyou



why thank you very much lil lady...How are ya JB

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Fri 07/25/08 06:24 PM






Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?.

No answer yet ?.


Christianity is a fellowship with people who also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins....we pray together, we eat together, we get married and all are there...we have babies and all are there....someone is sick and all are there....someone needs to move and they are all there...someone dies and we all are there....

My relationship with Christ is a personal one.....one in which He has my heart, my soul, my mind forever and ever. And this again is not because this is what I was "Taught" to believe....it's because of circumstances to where I could "No" longer deny his existence and Christ's amazing Love for me.


Thank you Feralcatlady! waving That's a very good description of Christianity.happy flowerforyou



why thank you very much lil lady...How are ya JB


Spending too much time on this club. I think I will take your advice and take a time out.

I can be reached by message though. I'm not quiting the club. I'm just too addicted and need to get a lot of work done.

Love you all!

JB

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Fri 07/25/08 06:31 PM
peace out!

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Fri 07/25/08 06:39 PM


Spending too much time on this club. I think I will take your advice and take a time out.


Love you all!

JB

JB is leaving me :
tears tears tears tears .

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Fri 07/25/08 07:03 PM







Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?.

No answer yet ?.


Christianity is a fellowship with people who also believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins....we pray together, we eat together, we get married and all are there...we have babies and all are there....someone is sick and all are there....someone needs to move and they are all there...someone dies and we all are there....

My relationship with Christ is a personal one.....one in which He has my heart, my soul, my mind forever and ever. And this again is not because this is what I was "Taught" to believe....it's because of circumstances to where I could "No" longer deny his existence and Christ's amazing Love for me.


Thank you Feralcatlady! waving That's a very good description of Christianity.happy flowerforyou



why thank you very much lil lady...How are ya JB


Spending too much time on this club. I think I will take your advice and take a time out.

I can be reached by message though. I'm not quiting the club. I'm just too addicted and need to get a lot of work done.

Love you all!

JB



Even go to other silly threads for a few days.....These threads can wear you out....I truly think JB should come to calif..and have a vacation....I would totally love showing you the sites JB....and of course showing you how to work my stripper pole.....gigglesnort.

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Fri 07/25/08 07:10 PM



This suggests that Christians and Christianity THINK THEY OWN GOD.

JB


You may suggest whatever you want...
As a christian, I guess I'm here to tell you that that's not the case from my standpoint. If there are other christians out there who think they do..sorry


What else does it mean then? They say that Christianity IS NOT A RELIGION.

Then they say it is about RELATIONSHIP with god.

So then if that is true, everyone who believes in god and feels they have a relationship with god is a Christian. Right?

Not according to them. They then go on to insert all the trappings of their religion about Jesus who died for the sins of mankind and how you must accept him as your personal savior and believe on him, be born again .... etc etc etc..... WHICH IS A RELIGION.

And they say, no it is "not a religion" it is just about a relationship with god.... and back into the circle we go...on and on into an insane circle that does not make any sense.

News flash! Christianity is a religion. Period. Don't tell people it is not a religion. You can't divorce Jesus from his Church and throw away the Bible and the religion.

JB





We are part of God's church......But the building or the word "Religion" again does not define us. What defines us or is our sole purpose so to speak...Is our love of Jesus Christ....Knowing that he gave his life so that I may have everlasting life. Knowing that his Father brought Christ to earth for this and this alone. And to always live as Christ would want.....and never never never never as "WE" think we should live.

NO ONE OWNS GOD........

So then if that is true, everyone who believes in god and feels they have a relationship with god is a Christian. Right?

NO It's not a matter of "feeling" you have a relationship with The Lord.......It is either a relationship or not...and believe me if it is.....again "you know it"

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Fri 07/25/08 07:14 PM


SIN - Sensuous Indigenous Nuts

They were originally found in remote parts of Australia but have since found their way into the cultural cuisines all over the globe. They of often roasted and canned and sold under the pseudo name of "Cashews".

Anyone who devours these nuts is instantly endowed with the knowledge of "good".

Of course, once they have a knowledge of "good" they instantly realize that they have always been bad.

The only way to reverse the affects of these sinfully delicious Cashews is to participate in sexual intercourse with two virgins (you being one of them of course). Only then can you return to a total ignorance of what is good.

These Sensuous Indigenous Nuts are, in fact, the true God.

Unfortunately, most people worship Chocolate instead.

And the true heathens eat Chocolate Covered Cashews.

To be purposefully blasphemous, they often place the Chocolate Covered Cashews on top of Ice Cream and refer to it as a "Sunday" thus mocking the Sabbath day by naming a sinfully delicious treat after it.

There are celibate monks who live in the highlands of remote the mountains the Amazon. They are said to have access to the SIN nuts but have never eaten them. They also live amongst coca trees, but have never made chocolate. They smoke peyote and mind their own business. They are said to be as close to God as any mortal man can possible be. But at night when they are sleeping the Voodoo witches come and make love to their bodies whilst they sleep and rob them of their genes. They then make clones of the monks and force the clones to eat Chocolate Covered Cashews on every day of the week except Sunday. They do this to please the Gods of Neptune who would destroy the earth if it wasn't for these pious rituals performed by the Voodoo witches of the Amazon.

The cloned celibate monks become quite chubby and begin to resemble Buddha dolls. They are then sent out into the world to suffer life in hot arid places infested with snakes, spiders, Muslims, and Jews. They are often given names like, "Belushi"

Some times they are starved before being set free to disguise them. In that case they are given fake German accents and sent to tropical places like Florida where they are led to believe that all mythologies have merit, especially as fodder for interactive games. They are given pseudo names like "Smiless"

Once in a while the monk clones will be female. In those rare cases the women are extremely intelligent and given insight into the mysterious powers of the universe. These women are then set loose in cyberspace and given weird screen names like Jeanniebean, or Redykeulous..

There much more to the secret of the SIN nuts, but it is being guarded by dust bunnies underneath the bed of an undisclosed aboriginal woman who is native to the original continent of Australia where the Sensuous Indigenous Nuts originated.

A secret agent for the demons of the underworld who goes by the code name "Tribo" is determined to find the nuts, the chocolate, and the Sundays, and confiscate them for the Dark Lords of Gangland.






hey!!! you gotta share them shrooms abra, or i'm gonna get upset, trippin alone is not a good thing. as those here can see by your delusions laugh

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Fri 07/25/08 07:20 PM



Sort of. Christianity is not "freeing people on death row" - but the establishment of a lost relationship with God. Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion.


Thank you


Well I got that terminology of "death row" from Christians. I guess it is an analogy.

For "The wages of sin is death." Everyone is considered to be a sinner and fall short of the glory of god. That means that they are all on "death row."

I also get the terminology of "Pardoned by the blood" from Christians.

I'm not making this stuff up, I get it from Christians.

JB


JB;

I hate to break this to you - but everyone on this planet is "on death row". That is - unless you know someone who hasn't dies and isn't going to.

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