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I for some reason cannot find any spiritual dwellings or encounters and I tried everything and yes really did try with all sincerity, yet oddly today two things happened that was very unusual in my everyday surroundings. As I walk pass the living room towards the kitchen my television turned off. What was ironic is that I never turned it on. It was funny because I said, you don't need to turn it off because of me. Turn it back on although no one is there. Also in my office I have a television and it also turned off a few hours later. Although it was on the whole time it decided to turn off without me turning it off with the remote control. It is truly a weird experience, but if that is what everyone talks about then yes I would love to have such a spirit in my pressence all the time. It would be more beneficial to actually see him or her or it?? but again then this could just mean I am delusional and my imagination has gone wild again as I am very imaginative as a person anyway. I find that drawing a line between reality and delusion difficult sometimes because all of reality is basically a dream like perception anyway. All of the things you see that you think are real, are perceptions of the mind. Maybe even manifestations of the mind. I have found one thing I can call "real" though. Individuals. People. Conscious beings expressing themselves in your reality. Their body is a holographic projection, but behind that, you can feel a real spiritual being there that could be recognized spiritually if you learn to feel their energy. JB and here is where I have the problem arise in my idealogy. I am told you have to feel, believe, or even see this spiritual being, yet it hasn't been proven that there is even spirits or souls? I mean with computer graphics one could create an illusion on video to make people believe there are spirits by making something foggy and moving around real quick and dissappear, but to actually witness a spirit and see it. Talk to it and feel it? I can't seem to relate or believe even when I did try to believe. and yes I know that 90% of the world believes in spirits or souls or energy waves of consciences moving about, but for some just to blindly believe there is a afterlife is almost the same as blindly believing in a faith of a religion. Not that I am totally denying that it is possible, for I really don't know, but I can't believe it either. I can imagine it or fantasize it though, but that is just imagination! So it is very hard to decipher and why I remain agnostic at best. Although I did find the television incident today quiet odd! |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 07/24/08 07:37 PM
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I for some reason cannot find any spiritual dwellings or encounters and I tried everything and yes really did try with all sincerity, yet oddly today two things happened that was very unusual in my everyday surroundings. As I walk pass the living room towards the kitchen my television turned off. What was ironic is that I never turned it on. It was funny because I said, you don't need to turn it off because of me. Turn it back on although no one is there. Also in my office I have a television and it also turned off a few hours later. Although it was on the whole time it decided to turn off without me turning it off with the remote control. It is truly a weird experience, but if that is what everyone talks about then yes I would love to have such a spirit in my pressence all the time. It would be more beneficial to actually see him or her or it?? but again then this could just mean I am delusional and my imagination has gone wild again as I am very imaginative as a person anyway. I find that drawing a line between reality and delusion difficult sometimes because all of reality is basically a dream like perception anyway. All of the things you see that you think are real, are perceptions of the mind. Maybe even manifestations of the mind. I have found one thing I can call "real" though. Individuals. People. Conscious beings expressing themselves in your reality. Their body is a holographic projection, but behind that, you can feel a real spiritual being there that could be recognized spiritually if you learn to feel their energy. JB and here is where I have the problem arise in my idealogy. I am told you have to feel, believe, or even see this spiritual being, yet it hasn't been proven that there is even spirits or souls? I mean with computer graphics one could create an illusion on video to make people believe there are spirits by making something foggy and moving around real quick and dissappear, but to actually witness a spirit and see it. Talk to it and feel it? I can't seem to relate or believe even when I did try to believe. and yes I know that 90% of the world believes in spirits or souls or energy waves of consciences moving about, but for some just to blindly believe there is a afterlife is almost the same as blindly believing in a faith of a religion. Not that I am totally denying that it is possible, for I really don't know, but I can't believe it either. I can imagine it or fantasize it though, but that is just imagination! So it is very hard to decipher and why I remain agnostic at best. Although I did find the television incident today quiet odd! You must go with what you know and make the best of it. If you have NEVER had a mystical experience, seen a ghost, been out of your body, witnessed what appeared to be a miracle, then it is no wonder you are agnostic. So assume that this life is all that you have and take care of the body first and foremost. To you, life should be the priority. Don't worry about the rest. JB |
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I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding.
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You must go with what you know and make the best of it. If you have NEVER had a mystical experience, seen a ghost, been out of your body, witnessed what appeared to be a miracle, then it is no wonder you are agnostic. have you? |
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I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding. the quest to obtain more knowledge is a sin ... as in the story of the Garden of Eden all Man needed to know was how to tend a garden and how to worship God and any knowledge beyond that God did not intend for Man to have which is why the desire to obtain knowledge is a desire to committ sin |
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I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding. the quest to obtain more knowledge is a sin ... as in the story of the Garden of Eden all Man needed to know was how to tend a garden and how to worship God and any knowledge beyond that God did not intend for Man to have which is why the desire to obtain knowledge is a desire to committ sin ouch sounds so horrible, but okay I guess my quest will begin then.
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Edited by
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I for some reason cannot find any spiritual dwellings or encounters and I tried everything and yes really did try with all sincerity, yet oddly today two things happened that was very unusual in my everyday surroundings. As I walk pass the living room towards the kitchen my television turned off. What was ironic is that I never turned it on. It was funny because I said, you don't need to turn it off because of me. Turn it back on although no one is there. Also in my office I have a television and it also turned off a few hours later. Although it was on the whole time it decided to turn off without me turning it off with the remote control. It is truly a weird experience, but if that is what everyone talks about then yes I would love to have such a spirit in my pressence all the time. It would be more beneficial to actually see him or her or it?? but again then this could just mean I am delusional and my imagination has gone wild again as I am very imaginative as a person anyway. I find that drawing a line between reality and delusion difficult sometimes because all of reality is basically a dream like perception anyway. All of the things you see that you think are real, are perceptions of the mind. Maybe even manifestations of the mind. I have found one thing I can call "real" though. Individuals. People. Conscious beings expressing themselves in your reality. Their body is a holographic projection, but behind that, you can feel a real spiritual being there that could be recognized spiritually if you learn to feel their energy. JB and here is where I have the problem arise in my idealogy. I am told you have to feel, believe, or even see this spiritual being, yet it hasn't been proven that there is even spirits or souls? I mean with computer graphics one could create an illusion on video to make people believe there are spirits by making something foggy and moving around real quick and dissappear, but to actually witness a spirit and see it. Talk to it and feel it? I can't seem to relate or believe even when I did try to believe. and yes I know that 90% of the world believes in spirits or souls or energy waves of consciences moving about, but for some just to blindly believe there is a afterlife is almost the same as blindly believing in a faith of a religion. Not that I am totally denying that it is possible, for I really don't know, but I can't believe it either. I can imagine it or fantasize it though, but that is just imagination! So it is very hard to decipher and why I remain agnostic at best. Although I did find the television incident today quiet odd! To experience is to believe. And trust me no imagination it's a powerful powerful thing indeed. |
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Edited by
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I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding. the quest to obtain more knowledge is a sin ... as in the story of the Garden of Eden all Man needed to know was how to tend a garden and how to worship God and any knowledge beyond that God did not intend for Man to have which is why the desire to obtain knowledge is a desire to committ sin  Yes that is what most religions discourage...people who seek knowledge and people who think. "There is no need to know the workings of the Universe as God is taking care of all of that." This is the attitude. When you are immersed in a religion learning it and practicing it, you can feel the negative reaction of your peers and your teachers and fellow believers if you profess to study or seek god through any other teaching of a spiritual nature, or even science or metaphysics. They want you to only hear their version of truth, all else will serve to confuse you or lead you astray. You are regarded as a butterfly, flitting from flower to flower, committing to nothing, believing in nothing as you attempt only to expand your understanding and find the truth about the nature of existence. It is not god you seek. You seek the answer to the puzzle of your own existence. JB |
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JB
You are lumping all people who believe in the same book as being the same. This simply is not true. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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JB You are lumping all people who believe in the same book as being the same. This simply is not true. Blessings of Shalom...Miles I'm with him on that. I think it's healthy to study things outside of "the norm" that you're apparently supposed to only be looking at. And I think it's great that you're very diligent about seeking your answer to the puzzle. Aren't we all?? Where it gets dangerous is when we start saying that "only the answers that I've found are the correct ones". And when we start disproving the views of other with "facts" that we've collected through our own search. I know that I at times fall into doing that too and I'm sorry if I've made anyone feel that their beliefs are "wrong". It's not my intention to do that, but rather to share what I've found on my journey and help explain things that seem unclear or misinterpreted (regarding my own beliefs - people telling me that I believe a certain way because of a certain religion i belong to). What I often see is someone bashing christianity and putting it in a bad light, without them actually having a clue what it really is, apart from just being words in a book. I feel a need to explain that there are actually people like myself who don't just say that they're christians, but actually live it too. It makes me angry when people or businesses call themselves christian to make them seem more trustworthy, but in the end they're the complete opposite. They're screwing it up for the ones genuinely live it. So much of church history shows exactly that; this is very sad... My religion is no more important than yours. What is important is that you genuinely follow after it because you want to, not because you think you're supposed to. And regardless of religion, shouldn't your 'yes' actually mean YES and your 'no' actually mean NO; Shouldn't values like integrity and loyalty be important in any religion or culture? When you are immersed in a religion learning it and practicing it, you can feel the negative reaction of your peers and your teachers and fellow believers if you profess to study or seek god through any other teaching of a spiritual nature, or even science or metaphysics. They want you to only hear their version of truth, all else will serve to confuse you or lead you astray. You are regarded as a butterfly, flitting from flower to flower, committing to nothing, believing in nothing as you attempt only to expand your understanding and find the truth about the nature of existence. It is not god you seek. You seek the answer to the puzzle of your own existence. JB |
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Religion is the cause of the majority of war Religion is the cause of ALL wars. Can you think of a war that was not waged over some religious dogma? If you think that religion is the CAUSE of all wars or even the majority of war you do not understand how the world works. Greed is the cause of wars. Religion and fear and terrorism is the fuel that keeps the fires of war going. Greed is the cause. The people behind the wars sell weapons to both sides, and steal the real wealth which is property and gold etc. JB Actually JB, I think that they are an equal mix in the catalist that causes and prolongs war. Very rarely do you find a war being waged that does not have both of them at the source. |
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You will not only serve him in life, but you will serve him in heaven for eternity. You have sold your soul. All because you disobeyed your master and left him, but found your way back to him to once again become his servant. Oh, here we go again..... you're not his slave when you became born again, you become his child; he adopts you into the family. Sure, christians serve him, but not because they have to, but because they want to. Anyone who tells you something else hasn't understood God's concept of grace yet... "...christians serve him, but not because they have to, but because they want to." Yes, that is just like they say about the new one world government they call the "New World Order." It is a system of slavery of mankind that goes into slavery WILLINGLY. You think yourself "his child" and yet he is depicted as a god who makes rules like, "The wages of sin is death." Sin is disobedience of god's laws. You disobey, you pay with your life. That is how the galaxy aliens treat their slaves and keep them in order. THAT IS NOT HOW a father treats his children. JB I'm not trying to convince you...and I see that I'm wasting my time and energy trying to explain what christianity is......apparently you already know from any other source than actually having any real life experience. And now we're also talking about aliens? So it's easier to believe in ALIENS, than a God who wants to have an intimate relationship with his creation.... yeah, i'm wasting my time... I guess you are wasting your time and energy. I know what Christianity is. CHRISTIANITY: It is a religion that teaches followers that God created man and that mankind are all sinners, and since the "wages of sin is death" (God's law) all of mankind is (or was) on "death row" ~until someone volunteered to pay the price for their sins. That someone was claimed to be the son of God, a man called Jesus the Christ, who was born of a virgin, had 12 disciples, taught that people should love one another. He was then crucified and his sacrifice gave pardon to all the sinners on death row. BUT in order to get your pardon, you have to profess that you accept the sacrifice, and that you believe in Jesus as your personal savior and be born again. Is that about right? So you see, I do understand what Christianity is. Did I leave anything out? Anyone? JB Sort of. Christianity is not "freeing people on death row" - but the establishment of a lost relationship with God. Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion. |
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Religion is the cause of the majority of war Religion is the cause of ALL wars. Can you think of a war that was not waged over some religious dogma? If you think that religion is the CAUSE of all wars or even the majority of war you do not understand how the world works. Greed is the cause of wars. Religion and fear and terrorism is the fuel that keeps the fires of war going. Greed is the cause. The people behind the wars sell weapons to both sides, and steal the real wealth which is property and gold etc. JB Now they are after oil ,oil and more oil too . That's an interesting theory. We've been at war since 2001. WHERE'S ALL THIS OIL!!! If you think that this war is about oil - contact the ACLU and sue your teachers in whatever school you went to - because THEY DIDN'T TEACH YOU A DAMN THING. You can sue them for fraud. |
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I do take care of my body and mind everyday, but it doesn't stop me from trying to attain more knowledge. I am really interested in learning more and trying to understand why people believe in the things they do. I hope I didn't discourage you in any sense. This is the last thing I would do to anyone. I am just seeking a deeper understanding. the quest to obtain more knowledge is a sin ... as in the story of the Garden of Eden all Man needed to know was how to tend a garden and how to worship God and any knowledge beyond that God did not intend for Man to have which is why the desire to obtain knowledge is a desire to committ sin  
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Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion. Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?. |
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Sort of. Christianity is not "freeing people on death row" - but the establishment of a lost relationship with God. Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion. Thank you |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sort of. Christianity is not "freeing people on death row" - but the establishment of a lost relationship with God. Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion. Thank you Well I got that terminology of "death row" from Christians. I guess it is an analogy. For "The wages of sin is death." Everyone is considered to be a sinner and fall short of the glory of god. That means that they are all on "death row." I also get the terminology of "Pardoned by the blood" from Christians. I'm not making this stuff up, I get it from Christians. JB |
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JB You are lumping all people who believe in the same book as being the same. This simply is not true. Blessings of Shalom...Miles I'm with him on that. I think it's healthy to study things outside of "the norm" that you're apparently supposed to only be looking at. And I think it's great that you're very diligent about seeking your answer to the puzzle. Aren't we all?? Where it gets dangerous is when we start saying that "only the answers that I've found are the correct ones". And when we start disproving the views of other with "facts" that we've collected through our own search. I know that I at times fall into doing that too and I'm sorry if I've made anyone feel that their beliefs are "wrong". It's not my intention to do that, but rather to share what I've found on my journey and help explain things that seem unclear or misinterpreted (regarding my own beliefs - people telling me that I believe a certain way because of a certain religion i belong to). What I often see is someone bashing christianity and putting it in a bad light, without them actually having a clue what it really is, apart from just being words in a book. I feel a need to explain that there are actually people like myself who don't just say that they're christians, but actually live it too. It makes me angry when people or businesses call themselves christian to make them seem more trustworthy, but in the end they're the complete opposite. They're screwing it up for the ones genuinely live it. So much of church history shows exactly that; this is very sad... My religion is no more important than yours. What is important is that you genuinely follow after it because you want to, not because you think you're supposed to. And regardless of religion, shouldn't your 'yes' actually mean YES and your 'no' actually mean NO; Shouldn't values like integrity and loyalty be important in any religion or culture? When you are immersed in a religion learning it and practicing it, you can feel the negative reaction of your peers and your teachers and fellow believers if you profess to study or seek god through any other teaching of a spiritual nature, or even science or metaphysics. They want you to only hear their version of truth, all else will serve to confuse you or lead you astray. You are regarded as a butterfly, flitting from flower to flower, committing to nothing, believing in nothing as you attempt only to expand your understanding and find the truth about the nature of existence. It is not god you seek. You seek the answer to the puzzle of your own existence. JB Hi all... I'm a new-comer to this forum with little experience in this sort of discourse... I would say I fit the category of one who is like the butterfly, flitting from flower to flower... committing to ALL and believing in ALL (until shown otherwise) as I attempt to expand my understanding and seek truth about existence. This IS God I seek... I believe that, just as all of us, my existence is integral to that of all of humanity. No one has exclusive rights to God more than another. God exists for all, regardless of the presence of dogmatic religious prowess (That... I clearly don't bring to the table) or degree of "goodness." All I have to bring to the table is what I believe to be true and the intuitive knowledge that brought me to this point in the journey. I'm always learning... Thus far, I've been no more than a Religious Forum Voyeur to you all. I now want more and am grateful that this Venue exists and for the opportunity to participate. Right up front, I admit I don't have any proof to support the validity of what I share (Minute Religious Education). Mine is but a small voice that's part of a whole. Thanks for listening, R |
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Jesus did not die to "give you a ticket to get out of jail", but to invite you into the realm of an eternity spent with God. It is a relationship - not a religion. Is Christianity a mere relationship and not a religion at all ?. No answer yet ?. |
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