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 Only "GOD" can set you free Or perhaps the Goddess.........
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Dang! That's pretty good! You have to consider the BAS and BAH (BAQ) is adjusted by the number of children! It used to be anyway! Its not the same for a couple without children and goes uo according to the number of children! Also groceries, clothes, alcohol etc are tax free when bought at the commissary or class 6, and the modern commissaries are the equivalent of a city mall in most mid-size cities today! Also, all medical, dental and eye care is free, 100% free for all family members! An E-4 takes a soldier approx 18 months to achieve. Multiplying the monthly pay you mentioned by 12 and dividing by 52 comes to $492.72 a week! Not bad when you consider only 18 months on the job and all the benefits that come with it. Lets dont forget a guaranteed 30 days payed vacation a year which will build if not taken, say if they are stationed in an area where vacation is not an option! Well if the BXes are now like modern city malls they must have really improved from the last time I shopped in one. I did the majority of my shopping offbase because prices were too high for me to afford. And I didn't have one of those handy dandy tax exempt cards neither for shopping offbase. Yes medical, dental and eye care is free. However, not always available to family members. But thank goodness for TriCare and Delta. It covers some of the offbase costs. Nearly covered a small portion of my daughter's orthodontist. And did I mention the staggering medical costs for her corrective heart surgery?? Yeah it can take a soilder 18 months to get to an E-4 but one night of one to many beers and he's knocked back down to an E-1 in a flash. Rank can be taken just as easily as it is given. And do u really wanna know how many times my request for leave was denied, due to personnel shortage??? It's really easy to acrue but harder to take.  They get everything. This country is becoming militarized like one big army base. Is war the only thing this government has left to offer the world? Face it people, youve been sold out, lock,stock, and barrel. Your replaceable to the military but you are ireplaceable to "GOD".  A man cannot serve two masters for he will love one and hate the other This government considers you and me to be the enemy. Why does YOUR law enforcement use military tactics against its own people? Your nothing to them but you are everything to "GOD". You dont have to fight or drag your children into sin to be free.
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Only "GOD" can set you free Or perhaps the Goddess......... There is a TRUE GOD in Heaven and a FALSE GOD of the Earth.
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I actually took the time to research the military payscale. For those of u who might be interested or need to educated u can find an entire payscale for the military, and explanation of all benefits, and even tax allowances.www.defenselink.mil/militarypay Here's alil example of what the average person in the military makes: An E-4 (for u civilians that's an enlisted not officer) with 6 years in the military makes a base pay of $2,135.10 base pay, now consider the average E-4 is married and has at least 2 children. The BAS (Basic Allowance for Subsistence for u civilians) is $294.43 a month. Try to feed a family of 4 with that. The BAH (Basic Housing Allowance for u civilians) varies according to location and whether with dependants or not (dependant is the military word for family for u civilians) Rent in an area that has a military base is typically at least twice the national average, so the military member is still havin to pay out of his/her base pay towards housing. Yes their is military housin on bases. The average wait for one is 2 years. And contrary to popular belief they are not palaces. Yes the military personnel get tax allowances. They don't have to pay federal taxes on any BAS or BAH, but they do pay federal taxes on their base pay, unless they are in a combat zone and then they are tax exempt. They do also have to pay state income taxes, depending on which state they claim residency in. And u actually have to be a legal resident of the state u claim. This country isn't perfect by any means. There are issues that need to be fixed. But they won't be fixed by people sitting around on their behinds whinnin about them. You want changes made then vote the right people into office locally and federally. I gave 11 years of my life to this county. I'm not asking for a pat on the back for it. I did it cause I felt it was my obligation for bein a citizen of this country. And now my 19 yr old son is puttin his life on the line for all of us. Show him the respect that he deserves. He could be sittin at home on his behind typin on a computer whinning about this country but he chose to do something for it instead. I have never felt prouder of my son then when I saw him walk off the plane in his uniform and a complete stranger walked up to him and shook his hand. He modestly told the man thank u. When u get off the computer go hug ur Mom or Dad or ur sister or ur brother and be thankful that he can't so that u can. I apologize for the ranting on but I get very perturbed when someone who has never served in the military wants to act as if they know all about the military. Again I say be thankful ur in a country where u can express ur opnions and views and not have to worry about being imprisoned for it. THANK A VET FOR THAT!!! Ok, that 2100 + the about 300 gives them about 30k a year. That is not including the housing benefits. They also get more money if they have dependents. They also have health care as well. All this for people w/o a college degree. These pay scales and benefits are posted for all to see. If people don't want to join the military they don't have too. When I went to do some testing for the air force I met several people that were getting ready to be deployed in all branches of the armed forces. I talked to a lot of people that were going to iraq and had been before. They knew what they were getting into and they were actually very excited. |
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I hate when someone says we are murders! Soldiers dont deserve that!  If someone kills innocent men , innocent women and innocent children , what do we call him or her ?. A saint ?. If you kill innocent ones , you are a MURDERER .  Thats what the bible says lots of warriors in the bible killing in God's name with His blessing. Not my "GOD" My "GOD" is powerful, He dont need warriors. He can fight his own battles Just WHO is your god?  Lindyy |
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Supporting the soldiers does not mean that we have to buy into any of the garbage about the war being just, being "for the Iraqis" (lie), or any other hype about the war. The war was a personal agenda "military action". Our military does what they are told and if they have to believe they are doing something good in order to continue their jobs, then so be it. But this war was illegal and has not ever been for the benefit of the Iraqis. My opinion of course. Most soldiers would disagree with you dragon. They certainly aren't fighting for oil, or anything of that sort. Right now, the fight is for the Iraqi's so they can stand on two legs. I don't care what reason our politicians have for sending us there. Right now it's irrelevant. It's not their war, it's the soldeirs' now. Most of them believe what they are doing is actually making a difference. Although, they are the only ones who didn't get their views from newspapers and television... One stand I've always taken is we should not have gone over there, however that is past and done with...we are there, we are changing Iraq for the good (even with the possibility it won't last) and that is that...we can't change what happened yesterday, but we can change what happens tomorrow. I agree we need to start withdrawing, well we should have been, and all troops should be out of Iraq within 6 months to a year! The Iraqi Army is 180,000 strong now, bigger than ours in country, and should be able to stand on their own! If they ever will be able! I dont think they can. They dont have the commitment to their puppet leaders needed for such a thing, and their commitment to the gov we put in power isn't going to change 20 yrs from now if it doesn't exist today! Their army may be larger, but we are better equipped. We have a lot more technology on our side. |
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I am only loyal to GOD I have NO higher allegiences John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. And whats that got to do with anything? Duh, the military lays down their lives for your freedom to be able to sit here and bad mouth them and the USA and everything you just do not like. Lindyy 
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All of these arrogant nations will bow before my "GOD" I thank you and thank all those who love justice and peace . . I think most people love justice and peace myfriend. To include those soldiers you look so down upon. Glad you are here to set the record straight. I personally listen to the guys that are actually there. The media is a business and they are more worried about ratings than giving an accurate news report. If there was something really wrong with this war I would believe that the soldiers would be the first to speak out since they are the ones putting their lives on the line. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Seems like when I was an E-5, Buck Sgt I received about $715 a month. Of course that was eons ago, but still!
I dont understand why people have to exaggerate! We need to show more sympathy for these people. * They travel miles in the heat. Some on foot but these are the minority. Most ride when they have to travel far! * They risk their lives crossing a border. Seldom does a border get crossed, and you really have to be there to understand the preparation fire that proceeds this crossing before you can understand the danger! While not as safe as crossing the State border here at home, Most of those on the receiving end of the prep fire are more in danger and hunkered down not really able to be a danger until you are right on them and the indirect fire is lifted! * They don't get paid enough wages. Already talked about this, and could it ever be enough? * They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do. They do volunteer and a very small number are actually combat troops. (Follow me is the Infantry's slogan-less than 5% of all troops) Most soldiers are rear echelon and unless they get lost, or the grunts are overrun they really arent in that much danger! With conditions as they are in Iraq unless they are grunts, their biggest danger is IED's and then only transportation units. (truck drivers) Still if the sacrifice is so worth it then they should draft so it can be shared by all) * They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language. Once again, not always! When they do, if combat-they have translators to do any necessary talking. The average Grunt doesn't need to be talking to the locals. In peacetime-the military teaches you the basics. To ask for food, directions, transportation, etc, and the conversion rates are easy to learn and can usually be done by the pay master on payday! Crowded conditions- These are other GI's who speak the same language. Living like so is, well, part of soldiering! You get used to it! |
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All of these arrogant nations will bow before my "GOD" Lindy GET OUT OF MIRROR'S BODY!!! You do realize sam just called American Soldiers Murders dont you? Fanta, I had nothing to do with the post. I cannot have a civil conversation with you people so just knock yourselves out doing what you are doing. Lindyy |
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Only "GOD" can set you free Or perhaps the Goddess......... There is a TRUE GOD in Heaven and a FALSE GOD of the Earth. That's true! But I do support our troops and also also education. I think our Country is struggling a bit, right now, though, I ususally do not post to these forms. Night.
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Chazter, evidently you didn't read my entire post or you would have read the part about the housin allowance varies but yet doesn't cover rent offbase. Landlords will double even triple rent in an area that has a military base. I personally paid $2,000 a month rent for a 2bdr apartment. Only a portion of that was covered by housin allowance, the rest came out of base pay. OR the fact that I had medical bills well over $200,000 for my daughter's corrective heart surgery that had to be done by civilian doctors because there were no military doctors available to do it.
Have you tried to take care of a family of 5 on 30k a year??? Do you realize that a large portion of the military actually qualify for welfare?? I'm going to guess that you didn't join the Air Force or u'd know that the military doesn't get paid nearly what they deserve for what they do. Have you ever spent 12 hours straight in full chem gear??? That alone deserves a bump in pay. I used to be all for required military service such as Germany has but now I'm thankful we don't. I wouldn't want someone who obviously has no idea what compels those who willingly join the military to do so, guarding my six. |
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Chazter, evidently you didn't read my entire post or you would have read the part about the housin allowance varies but yet doesn't cover rent offbase. Landlords will double even triple rent in an area that has a military base. I personally paid $2,000 a month rent for a 2bdr apartment. Only a portion of that was covered by housin allowance, the rest came out of base pay. OR the fact that I had medical bills well over $200,000 for my daughter's corrective heart surgery that had to be done by civilian doctors because there were no military doctors available to do it. Have you tried to take care of a family of 5 on 30k a year??? Do you realize that a large portion of the military actually qualify for welfare?? I'm going to guess that you didn't join the Air Force or u'd know that the military doesn't get paid nearly what they deserve for what they do. Have you ever spent 12 hours straight in full chem gear??? That alone deserves a bump in pay. I used to be all for required military service such as Germany has but now I'm thankful we don't. I wouldn't want someone who obviously has no idea what compels those who willingly join the military to do so, guarding my six. What I am saying is its pretty good pay and benefits for not much education. Other people live off 30k without a housing allowance. As for the 5 kids, not to be rude, but if you are living beyond your means then maybe proper family planning was in order. This is not targeted to you, I truly feel strongly about people taking responsibility for their lives. As for me not joining the air force. Yea the pay was less at first, but I was guaranteed about 75k after 5 or so years. I didn't join because I don't like not having complete control over my life. This again goes with my ideal of personal responsibility. You can't quit the air force. You have to do your time. Just not my thing. |
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Chazter, evidently you didn't read my entire post or you would have read the part about the housin allowance varies but yet doesn't cover rent offbase. Landlords will double even triple rent in an area that has a military base. I personally paid $2,000 a month rent for a 2bdr apartment. Only a portion of that was covered by housin allowance, the rest came out of base pay. OR the fact that I had medical bills well over $200,000 for my daughter's corrective heart surgery that had to be done by civilian doctors because there were no military doctors available to do it. Have you tried to take care of a family of 5 on 30k a year??? Do you realize that a large portion of the military actually qualify for welfare?? I'm going to guess that you didn't join the Air Force or u'd know that the military doesn't get paid nearly what they deserve for what they do. Have you ever spent 12 hours straight in full chem gear??? That alone deserves a bump in pay. I used to be all for required military service such as Germany has but now I'm thankful we don't. I wouldn't want someone who obviously has no idea what compels those who willingly join the military to do so, guarding my six. That was me! That depends as well. If the on base housing is full the amount will be adjusted! An E-5 can get an allowance as well, even if single! I know I did and had a nice furnished apartment off Post in Colo. Springs, while only having to pay about 10% out of pocket! My BAQ covered almost all of it! |
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Supporting the soldiers does not mean that we have to buy into any of the garbage about the war being just, being "for the Iraqis" (lie), or any other hype about the war. The war was a personal agenda "military action". Our military does what they are told and if they have to believe they are doing something good in order to continue their jobs, then so be it. But this war was illegal and has not ever been for the benefit of the Iraqis. My opinion of course. Most soldiers would disagree with you dragon. They certainly aren't fighting for oil, or anything of that sort. Right now, the fight is for the Iraqi's so they can stand on two legs. I don't care what reason our politicians have for sending us there. Right now it's irrelevant. It's not their war, it's the soldeirs' now. Most of them believe what they are doing is actually making a difference. Although, they are the only ones who didn't get their views from newspapers and television... One stand I've always taken is we should not have gone over there, however that is past and done with...we are there, we are changing Iraq for the good (even with the possibility it won't last) and that is that...we can't change what happened yesterday, but we can change what happens tomorrow. I agree we need to start withdrawing, well we should have been, and all troops should be out of Iraq within 6 months to a year! The Iraqi Army is 180,000 strong now, bigger than ours in country, and should be able to stand on their own! If they ever will be able! I dont think they can. They dont have the commitment to their puppet leaders needed for such a thing, and their commitment to the gov we put in power isn't going to change 20 yrs from now if it doesn't exist today! Their army may be larger, but we are better equipped. We have a lot more technology on our side. It isnt our friggen country, and they need to start paying their own way. Both in security and reconstruction. Currently they have a hefty account in a NY Bank that is growing by leaps and bounds off the profits we are paying for gasoline! |
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Chazter The family of 5 = a Mom, a Dad and 3 children. Which I believe is right up there with the national average.
Not much education?? Gotta have at least a diploma and score purty high on the ASVAB for the Air Force to even look at ya. And the difference between u and I is that I didn't look at the pay, nor the fact that I wouldn't have control over my life. I looked at it as giving back for the freedoms that I get to enjoy livin in this country. One of the same freedoms that u urself are enjoyin right here. Nuthin but love for u Chazter and I mean that with all sincerity. Just do me one favor. The next time you wanna complain about the military go spend a month with a soilder and see their life for what it really is. I know u'd have a different outlook and be much more appreciative for what they do for you. |
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I actually took the time to research the military payscale. For those of u who might be interested or need to educated u can find an entire payscale for the military, and explanation of all benefits, and even tax allowances.www.defenselink.mil/militarypay Here's alil example of what the average person in the military makes: An E-4 (for u civilians that's an enlisted not officer) with 6 years in the military makes a base pay of $2,135.10 base pay, now consider the average E-4 is married and has at least 2 children. The BAS (Basic Allowance for Subsistence for u civilians) is $294.43 a month. Try to feed a family of 4 with that. The BAH (Basic Housing Allowance for u civilians) varies according to location and whether with dependants or not (dependant is the military word for family for u civilians) Rent in an area that has a military base is typically at least twice the national average, so the military member is still havin to pay out of his/her base pay towards housing. Yes their is military housin on bases. The average wait for one is 2 years. And contrary to popular belief they are not palaces. Yes the military personnel get tax allowances. They don't have to pay federal taxes on any BAS or BAH, but they do pay federal taxes on their base pay, unless they are in a combat zone and then they are tax exempt. They do also have to pay state income taxes, depending on which state they claim residency in. And u actually have to be a legal resident of the state u claim. This country isn't perfect by any means. There are issues that need to be fixed. But they won't be fixed by people sitting around on their behinds whinnin about them. You want changes made then vote the right people into office locally and federally. I gave 11 years of my life to this county. I'm not asking for a pat on the back for it. I did it cause I felt it was my obligation for bein a citizen of this country. And now my 19 yr old son is puttin his life on the line for all of us. Show him the respect that he deserves. He could be sittin at home on his behind typin on a computer whinning about this country but he chose to do something for it instead. I have never felt prouder of my son then when I saw him walk off the plane in his uniform and a complete stranger walked up to him and shook his hand. He modestly told the man thank u. When u get off the computer go hug ur Mom or Dad or ur sister or ur brother and be thankful that he can't so that u can. I apologize for the ranting on but I get very perturbed when someone who has never served in the military wants to act as if they know all about the military. Again I say be thankful ur in a country where u can express ur opnions and views and not have to worry about being imprisoned for it. THANK A VET FOR THAT!!! Ok, that 2100 + the about 300 gives them about 30k a year. That is not including the housing benefits. They also get more money if they have dependents. They also have health care as well. All this for people w/o a college degree. These pay scales and benefits are posted for all to see. If people don't want to join the military they don't have too. When I went to do some testing for the air force I met several people that were getting ready to be deployed in all branches of the armed forces. I talked to a lot of people that were going to iraq and had been before. They knew what they were getting into and they were actually very excited. This will not be true once McCain gets in office, draft will eliminate the OPTIONAL. And we know the rich know how to make their children miss the draft so all the poor people will do all the serving then. |
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Chazter, evidently you didn't read my entire post or you would have read the part about the housin allowance varies but yet doesn't cover rent offbase. Landlords will double even triple rent in an area that has a military base. I personally paid $2,000 a month rent for a 2bdr apartment. Only a portion of that was covered by housin allowance, the rest came out of base pay. OR the fact that I had medical bills well over $200,000 for my daughter's corrective heart surgery that had to be done by civilian doctors because there were no military doctors available to do it. Have you tried to take care of a family of 5 on 30k a year??? Do you realize that a large portion of the military actually qualify for welfare?? I'm going to guess that you didn't join the Air Force or u'd know that the military doesn't get paid nearly what they deserve for what they do. Have you ever spent 12 hours straight in full chem gear??? That alone deserves a bump in pay. I used to be all for required military service such as Germany has but now I'm thankful we don't. I wouldn't want someone who obviously has no idea what compels those who willingly join the military to do so, guarding my six. Did you serve in the US Military? I did and dependent health care is free! 12 straight hours? Try 36!!! |
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Chazter, evidently you didn't read my entire post or you would have read the part about the housin allowance varies but yet doesn't cover rent offbase. Landlords will double even triple rent in an area that has a military base. I personally paid $2,000 a month rent for a 2bdr apartment. Only a portion of that was covered by housin allowance, the rest came out of base pay. OR the fact that I had medical bills well over $200,000 for my daughter's corrective heart surgery that had to be done by civilian doctors because there were no military doctors available to do it. Have you tried to take care of a family of 5 on 30k a year??? Do you realize that a large portion of the military actually qualify for welfare?? I'm going to guess that you didn't join the Air Force or u'd know that the military doesn't get paid nearly what they deserve for what they do. Have you ever spent 12 hours straight in full chem gear??? That alone deserves a bump in pay. I used to be all for required military service such as Germany has but now I'm thankful we don't. I wouldn't want someone who obviously has no idea what compels those who willingly join the military to do so, guarding my six. Did you serve in the US Military? I did and dependent health care is free! 12 straight hours? Try 36!!! Unfortunately the surgery she needed wasn't available at a military hospital. She had to be taken to Children's Hospital in Boston to have it done. No thanks on the 36, 12 was enough for me. And yes I was in the Air Force, served proudly. And now my son carries on the long family tradition of military service. He's in the Army. |
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