And thus far I have not seen one contradiction that can't be turned around and scripturally given evidence....not once....I have put that to all of you over and over again.....but hmmmmmm for some reason it gets skipped and ignored.

The bible ?. Another religion book written by humans for some past agendas . Now it is year 2008 we know better than living in myths and hoaxes .
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I was paying attention and that's why I know that you couldn't have typed all that in that period of time

I have always said JB that all can believe as they wish....my sole purpose is to put the information out there...what people do with it is up to them.

You may sweet lady believe anything you wish....and anyone who's different is well for lack of a better word....idiot...

And like I have said so many many times.....express away....and just for me....Call my God, Jesus Christ or the Bible a myth.....you will get reubutted each and every time....and not because I don't believe your entitled to what you want to believe...I do....as I am.....And that's a direct slap in my Lord's as well as my face.

Have I ever in all the time on JSH myself said you were a basher......Religion part of it....I could care less.....but talk against my Lord his Son and the Bible....and you will get strong words from me.....And never as an attack on any other person.......just on what I believe to be truth.

Now when you say "The Bible" is the root of all evil and conflict on this planet....I say to you......not so....man is the root of both evil and all conflict...


See here is a perfect example of what not to do.....You don't believe in revelation...and that is all good and well...but to say it is pure nonesense....two things.....not one of you has backed up your mighty talk ever.....And I understand revelation just fine....and because you don't it's nonsense....and some secret alien code...

and for me....."The Bible has no contradiction in it" The contradiction only comes to those who fail to read it, study it, and comprehend it....And the simple fact is...that without the faith, the relationship, you could read a million times and it will elude you....It say it in the bible itself.....hmmmmm interesting huh.

And thus far I have not seen one contradiction that can't be turned around and scripturally given evidence....not once....I have put that to all of you over and over again.....but hmmmmmm for some reason it gets skipped and ignored.

Muhammed physically wrote it but the angel Gabriel came to him and dictated the word of god the Koran is not muhammeds words. the Koran is the only book written by God not inspired!. look it up.

look the only book said to be written by god is the qur'an/koran.

Well, Feralcatlady, you have been called out by tribo.

Are you going to back up your challenge or not?

I'll be watching.

Jb

Tribo

Tribo like most you all need to understand where I am coming from for me, myself and I......I don't care about Darby's version of the bible, robertson's, benny hinn's or hagans's.
I am speaking for myself when I speak in threads.

It doesn't matter how many interpretations of the Bible are out there....the context of the Bible is always the same. And I wonder where you get some of your information. You go from all the different "men" and their teachings, to ramblings about a girl in Ireland, do I care......not really.......when I was speaking about Revelation or any book of the Bible for that matter....I could study it for 20 of my lifetimes and never know it all...so once again you have misunderstood or misinterpreted what I was saying. ......shock nope. Also the Bible as with God says what it means and means what it says.....

I have many times layed out scripture and said ok...what does that mean to you.......and they have been so far off.....It doesn't mean that I know all.....not at all...But if your going to discuss why you don't believe the Bible...you first should understand even the basics of said.....and to many times I have just seen this not be the case...

And yes people can say well it's all in the interpretation.....but what most fail to see.....If there isn't a million different ways to look at it....It says what it means and means again what it say.

Example:


Matthew 13

10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”

11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets[a] of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables,

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
15 For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.’

16 “But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. 17 I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.

Now this is exactly what it says it is.....And where my heart is.....This doesn't in any way make me any different then anyone else......except loving the Lord my God and having more faith in him then anything.....Again it's "MY CHOICE"

No tribo that is not what I said....that I know all of what revelation is about.....what I said was

See here is a perfect example of what not to do.....You don't believe in revelation...and that is all good and well...but to say it is pure nonesense....two things.....not one of you has backed up your mighty talk ever.....And I understand revelation just fine....and because you don't it's nonsense....and some secret alien code...

So where did I say ever that I was able to decipher all of revelations.....I didn't now did I tribo and again.....just you not reading what was written but your interpretation of what was written. And again anywhere did I put that God told me anything about Revelation.....hmm.....nope....

So again Tribo I say to you to read the above scripture of Matthew because it does fit so well this situation. And again just fyi my personal relationship with God is just that....mine and squabble and spat your venom has no bearing on me or my relationship at all...

And you my friend don't have a clue to me or what I know so again get angry I am not nor will I be....

And again I don't think ever I have said that every answer I give was given to me by God.....hmmmmm no I sure didn't...

Because the bottom line tribo is the Lord my God knows my heart....He know the path that He himself has placed on me.....And I don't need to prove a thing.....so I say to you....if it is you wanting to test.....hmmmm bring it on...I have proved over and over every single question put to me.....You may look at old religion posts if you want......

The Bible is my tool.....and the only one I need and to think that I am not using the Bible for my proof is really lame on your part.

I don't know why all the anger....but hey I have no control of what makes you tick tribo....I am who I am and if something about that annoys you...well thats you gig..

And you want to play the part of satan.....


well here ya go


When the thousand years come to an end, Satan will be let out of his prison. 8 He will go out to deceive the nations—called Gog and Magog—in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle—a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9 And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.

10 Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Final Judgment

MS:

"And that word ,""grace"", was given in the vernacular as a word describing a contemporary definition for it and not in the correct context of the original word which means "confidence", ""and confidence alone.""

tribo:


??? - There are only 2 word's used for grace in the bible - first in hebrew language is - "KHANE" which mean's gracious, kindness favor!!

second is greek, the word "CHARIS" (ka-rees')
which translates - graciousness, divine influence upon the heart; acceptable benefit; favour; gift; joy; liberality; pleasure.

""NOWHERE"" does it state it's meaning to be taken as ""confidence""!!

Strong's concordence and hebrew/greek dictionary's inclusive.

my my my.

the angel that supposedly spoke to Smith was named Moroni, and not the Holy Spirit.

That changes everything.

TRIBO!!!!

DUDE...

That was my post, not MS' post.

I was rushing and goofed badly.

The word, 'faith' should have been there, not grace.

MY BAD

As it is written, we are saved by grace through faith, and that, not of ourselves.

I was defining what faith means, not grace. SORRY.

I mam glad someone is paying attention though

find this facinating redy....because as with you....he re-wrote to fit his selfish needs....But it doesn't work that way.....God's laws are God's laws and rewrite to fit what you think it should be just is not the case.



Not only does the Book of Mormon plagiarize heavily from the King James Bible, but it betrays a great lack of information and background on the subject of world history and the history of the Jewish people. The Jaredites apparently enjoyed glass windows in the miraculous barges in which they crossed the ocean; and “steel” and a “compass” were known to Nephi despite the fact that neither had been invented, demonstrating once again that Joseph Smith was a poor student of history and of Hebrew customs.

Moroni was the son of Morman who had writted the original transcripts. Joseph Smith was led to those transcripts by an angel and was later led by the Holy Spirit to transcribe the scriptures that were written in an long dead Inian language.

How is that different than how the bible was put together?

And thus far I have not seen one contradiction that can't be turned around and scripturally given evidence....not once....I have put that to all of you over and over again.....but hmmmmmm for some reason it gets skipped and ignored.

OH MY GOSH........

First off lets deal with the anger Tribo.......tell me if someone wrote this if you would not take it as anger.

this will not be a pagan vs christian debate - this will be a showing of how all of christianity is not in ageement with those things of revelation's and other prophecy! no matter what sectarian stand you take for "your" belief - i will recognize it and call you on it! so state clearly on your response so ""everyone here is clear"" - that "your" belief's - are in god's "interpretation" directly to "YOU" not thing's you've read and learned from other's.is that fair - debedee deb deb?? we will start a new post if so. it will be titled return of daniel webster and the devil - of course i'll be the devil - smiles!! remember the monkey case? christian's lost on that oner also - so be sure - be very sure!!

The Holy Spirit is always with me tribo.....as are all the lessons of my teachers....what is your point? If the Lord speaks to me or gives me a word....trust me you will know the difference, as I will say so.

My answers are because of my faith and my beliefs how could I be expected to answer in any other way....but in my own experiences or my beliefs...again that is kind of lame. I can't say I feel this or that way because my teacher Eric taught me that. Or I can't say I do this because it is the teaching of my greatest teacher Christ Jesus. '

You take what you learn and you apply it daily to your life. You are the example as Jesus Christ intended....Do you think that Jesus disciples stop at the 12?

I don't just walk the walk blindly Tribo I live it....each and every day of my life....Does this mean it's my way or the highway for others....heck no.....you do what ever gets you through the day......But understand also....if I come into religion and I answer posts.....be ready because I will and can only speak for myself....And by the Grace of God go I.......if you don't like that or you have a problem with it.....well I can't help ya there.

Of course I have nothing but respect for all teachings....again that was my point.....I have studied and a lot....But again for me if I see that a religion is wrong and I can prove why I feel this way (mormons) you bet your sweet bippy I am going to.....Am I out to turn mormons against me.....heck no....I put it out...each and every single person can do with it as they wish.

For anyone out their that calls you names for any reason.....I feel that is wrong.....I look at them as either baby christians who don't know better.....or honestly stupid people......I have often said to others....You can't shove it down peoples throats.....It just gets you no where......But again I have said this time and time again and am still lumped into the name calling a hypocritical Christian within a dogma religion.......it's crap......Especially when I have said so many times that I don't care about religion I care about my personal relationship with the Lord & Savior. Does that stop me from getting attacked......nope.

And if you also do the above.......shame on you.

And again I would be very very careful here....when you say
as long as christianity is divided on these issues, the foundation is not strong.

Christianity 2.1 billion 33.0%
Islam 1.3 billion 20.1
Hinduism 851 million 13.3
Buddhism 375 million 5.9


And you again are entitled to your opinion on the below...

And one truly even searching can be assured of concrete answer's, no one should be! no one is. your supposed to be a "body" of believer's "christ body" yet you have dismembered it and flung it all over the earth! And until you all give up your petty differences and opininon's and lies, that did not exsist in the beginning, you are doomed to suffer rebuttle to that which you cling so dearly to.

I think you are so so so so wrong on this.....More then ever people are searching....More and More Christians are reaching out to other countries and bringing people to Christ. I have been involved in this personally.....in India, Africa, China, and many other countries. I can't speak about all Christians all over the planet....but I do know that I have been truly blessed by many missionaries in many countries for the work they do for the Lord.....

And it is personal for me. Like again I have said many many times....Believe as you wish......as I am also entitled to and as I know that right now all the prophesies of the end times are happening right now. Israel is the best example.......Check it out for yourself.......Look at Revelation and what it says.....look at what is happening right now.....I do have absolute Faith that my Lord and my Lord only is whom I listen to......and absolute knowledge that Christ is going to come and the rest they say......it will be written.