ah I missed the history lesson lol

Texas used to be it's own republic...but a proud american now

My family went to Texas as part of the Tennessee land corporation. Some of the first Americans there. They fought against Santa Anna.

Most of us are still there. I call myself a tarheel, it doesnt sit well with my dad who claims Im a Texan. I insist Im a Tarheel and he gets mad as heck.
Its his fault!!!

OK, will start here. Proud of WHAT these days!!?? What has America done that was good in the last 20 years???? It has basically declined in almost every respect, especially the IMPORTANT ones.

Education is in the toilet. Health care is garbage. ILLEGAL immigrants run wild and get more benefits that AMERICANS.

Hows this one...SACRAFICING AMERICAN LIVES FOR OIL!!! You are PROUD of America????

Seriously and sincere question...WHAT IS LEFT TO BE PROUD OF???

America is dying a deplorable death..again, what's to be proud of now???

Thanks Fanta. I know we disagree on some issue, but you at least have good info to fight with!

Unlike others that could not produce fact over thier own insecurities.

But hy would Hawaii not be like the Illegal immigrants??

Hawaii was taken ILLEGALLY..period. Therefore ANYTHING after said time simply is NOT valid! If it is, then you validate ILLEGAL immingrants. Even though they are here ILLEGALLY, they are still here! So to make that right..you ship them back across the boarder..correct??? Well Hawaii ships the US government out of thier territory. EXACT same issue..get the ILLEGALS out.

See the premise?

Well I didn't even have to answer this one..Fanta already put you in your place. Try using fact..not your own thinking...because you have already shown that to be CLEARLY wrong and unreliable.

LOL..your pic should be titled "open mouth..out comes the crap"

Was this supposed to be funny? Because it wasn't. Shut up, Norte Americano.

Oh! A question from Mr. Brilliant..Mr Knoweverything???

And "North American"??? Oh yeh, real intelligent.

I'll be the first to acknowledge, I probably do know more than you. But that is irrelevant. What is relevant to this thread is you have failed to answer all of my questions from previous posts. Again, what precedent do you have for supporting a free Hawaii? Ethnic cleansing arguments do not count.

ROFLMAO..Oh now I see! You are talking "presidents"??? I forgot, you like a "political debate"..right??

OK, this should be fun.

Although I will not attempt to research from a "legal" standpoint, there will be a common sense role to play here.

Just as I was telling Fanta regarding the "illegal immigrants". They came and are here illegally correct? Therefore, by simple sense, they have committed a "crime". in a "legal" standpoint, they are in fact criminals because they have committed an "illegal act". Correct?? Of course.

Now the proper thing to do, is return them across the border from which they came. Correct?? Of course.

Now, same applies with the United States ILLEGAL annexation of Hawaii. The United States (like the illegal immigrants) committed an "illegal act", which must be corrected. just as we should send all illegal immigrants back across the borders in which they came, the Hawaiian islands should be returned to the native people for them to live how THEY wish.

Again, it is CLEAR, and even ADMITTED, the United States committed an ILLEGAL act.

So there does not need to be "presidents" for something that is COMMON SENSE! Thats like saying "what president do you have saying that if you stick your hand in a fire, you'll get burned". Do you REALLY need such explination??? Or would COMMON SENSE dictate.."you fool..you put your hand in the fire you;re gonna get burned!!!".


It's NOT a complex situation and in this case it's actually very easy, since even the United States admits to doing this ILLEGAL act. So no president needed by any means. Illegal act committed, illegal act admitted. CASE CLOSED!

Hey Cuz,

Remember what your father always says.. "Common sense is not too common".

So don't expect him to understand. He may need someone to tell him NOT to put his hand in the fire...or not to stick the fork in the electrical outlet. You never know these days.

my reasons for being proud are my reasons. they aren't up for debate.

I say if they want to leave...let them. they voted to become part of the republic. it was their choice. but that should include any benefits they get from the US too

Not trying to debate at all. Simple a very serious question... what is there to be proud of in America now??? I had to think...and think...and I can;t come up with really anything these days.

Everything across the board is going to crap. education is now down to like 26th place, our economy is nearly bankrupt and China is holding a HUGE amount of United States property. They can't even secure our borders. Drug and alcoholism is through the roof. Our children are killing each other right in thier own schools! hardly anyone give a rats behind about anyone else and won;t do anything to put a stop to all the madness.

So again, and I ask honestly...give me something so I can have something I can say that I am proud of in America...because I could really use something!

Honestly.. I would LOVE to be PROUD of my counrty again...but I have to have something to be proud of and I am not finding anything.

(ps..I agree, no US help..just open trade is fine, just like we do with other countries. But America won't want to because all the tax dollars that Hawaii brings down is ENORMOUS. Not much fed money is put in Hawaii. It's a very "profitable" state for the government..thats why they took it.

Finally someone who really knows whats going on here in our"free" United States. We as Americans are so apathetic that it makes me want to scream" Take back what is ours" Not the governments or their sorry asses! I'm tired of working my ass off to pay for everyone else and I struggle. Thats not right! I want off the grid so badly I'm making plans to do so. The government can KISS MY ASS!

it's my own reasons. i can't tell you what do believe etc just like no one can tell me. well they can try but my beliefs and opinions are mine. maybe that is one of the many reasons

you have to come up with your own reasons or not....no copying off my paper lol

And tell them to keep puckered cause they can kiss my dimpled butt TWICE!

And the ironic thing is..I would sit up on Capital Hill and protest and most people would look at me as if I was some kind of "extremist nut" when all I want is the power to go back to our people and for our country to be great again!

So call me what you want. I am an American and wish to hell i could be proud of that again like when I was young!

I'm not asking you to tell me what to believe in..I just honestly could use soemthing to grasp on here. Where's something to HOPE for here? What is GOOD in America now? What is something everyone can be proud of in America??? Just give me ONE!

I wish I could be proud too but I can't be. I'm so tired of the welfare sytem, the court system and taxes are strangling me! I grew up in the 70's and we protested! Sometimes it worked other times it didnt, but everyone so apathetic these days that if we tried to protest ...well it would be like that old poster "What if we gave a war and nobody came?"
I jsut want that freedom again to be what I want not what is EXPECTED AND DEMANDED of me by my government! I AM A HUMAN BEING TREAT ME LIKE ONE!

You are absolutely right! Remember the phrase... "United we stand..divided we fall!" Our own government and the "power that be (the money that runs things) keeps our nation divided, has never truly attempted to fix our edcation system (because lower IQs ask less questions and are easier to lead) and what was once a great nation is about to fall.

And as you clearly said, and I and many other well knowns )like Glenn Beck) have directly said..the American people have done this to themselves (pointing out you saying Americans are apathetic..which is TOTALLY TRUE!)

My cousin put up a post in another thread about "self sufficientcy". he made a good illustration at the end of his last post.. I think was last post, may not be now.

But its was how a town came together and everyone worked together for a common cause and goal. And when everyone pitched in, a monumental task was reduces to an extremely simple solution.

I applaud your stand! Now bottle it, sell it and lets get the rest of America off thier asses so we can take our country back!