JB:

We all express reflections of things that live within ourselves in one way, shape, or form. All I know to tell you is that based upon your conclusions of me which are structured around your assumption(s) of why I have expressed things as I have, you trust your own judgement too much.

My suggestion to you would be to look within yourself for the answers to why you perceive the things about others that you do. Specifically, attempt to identify when and where those agreements were made within yourself that constituted support for the judgement of conclusion that you have wrongly made.



I suggested to read my old postings for a reason JB. It was so that you would have another chance to assess the situation. Artsy knows me very, very well, and you dismissed mine and her words as if they were irrelevant to the conversation at hand. They were to you. That is the sad part.

Your mind was already made up, based upon your own sense of why...

Your portrayal of me was based upon truthes of yours... from your experience.

Humbly, I say to you... in the friendliest of ways...

Ya weren't even close...

Unique

It took me days to figure out how to reply to this thread and that is the only word that springs to mind.

JB:

Purely constructive conversation here, I can assure you...

Should you rewind our conversations to the beginning of each, and then read what I claimed and/or stated, you will find that when the beginning is compared to the end... they match.

According to the end of both of our recent conversations, you felt as if you were "pulling teeth" to get me to express my opinions on the matter at hand. When in all actuality, I did quite plainly and in both... the beginning, and the end.

Because of things that you had expressed within those conversations, I feel that certain aspects of them had reminded you of different events and/or people in your life, and you had responded accordingly.

I suppose that if one reads my conversations on a religious topic as if my stance is a reflection of my belief, then one would surely be judging a book by it's cover. The problem with that is not recoginizing the importance of the substance of that which constitutes the complete story of who one is. It is a mistake to not read that which lies within the pages of one's own internal agreements.

The following write should give you a clearer understanding of who you have mistaken me to be... Something tells me that you will find this curious...

It came through me one day...


The Gate Has No Key...



For when one truly seeks light
One looks with the heart
Eyes are of no use
They with mind close and start
To reveal the true essence
A goal for you to know
That value when placed right
Soon after will grow
Filling ones spirit
With that which is good
Eyes open then once again
They now see as they should
This world of our life
Begins to make sense
Only after your heart
Removes the old fence
That keeps one from themself
Always it will so
As long as it's there
What's inside one can't know
For the fence now you see
It was placed there by you
As protection from fears
Do you see what they knew
For the gate has no key
Access comes from within
Fear hides you from you
The answer is inside, my friend

Creative,

The impressions that were received were not impressions that I thought about or "tried to figure out." I was not too worried whether they were "right or wrong."

I just wanted to be honest about what I was seeing and feeling at the time.

You take everything way too seriously and seem to still be over thinking things. Perhaps I should not have even posted it.

If you were what I consider to be a "laid back" person I don't imagine you would have responded this way:

Your suggestions that I "made agreements" with myself and that I should "look within myself" and ------->



That is purely intellectual, analytical over thinking compared to how I function with feeling and instincts. I have been known to do that kind of thinking but in this case I was simply looking at a first impression for what it was.

I wasn't trying to compete for a prize.

The impressions that we make to others are probably not what we want them to be. My impressions could be wrong. That was not the point. Expressing them was.

I was not really trying to guess right. I was just being honest about what I was seeing and feeling. Every single person alive will have a different point of view.

If I were to "look within myself" to find the answers to why I get every feeling and impression I do, I would be forever self analyzing.

But for this second I will look within myself for a reason:

I will say that these types of answers from you are why I see your energy as not being "laid back." Being "laid back" may be what you try to project to people in person, but that is not what I see or feel in what you write.

So call me wrong, It does not matter. My idea of being "laid back" would be someone like Abracadabra.

(Yes, he does go on and on about things, but I feel his energy as quite laid back.)

JB

Ive been trying the attraction thing and there seems to be something to it. But it is not quantifiable in scientific terms, because it is as you said jeanniebean, there are too many variables. It could be a matter of perception.

I think that is why life is so interesting. There are so many probabilities to choose from.

JB

possibly

I so like the notion of your expressing the events behind your personal experiences with the Law of Attraction, that I really do not want to extrapolate any further about your impressions of me.

It's your life and your perception JB, see it as you wish.

I think your probably right Creative about this being a matter of perception. All I know is it is very interesting. A lot of what Jeanniebean says is interesting and thought provoking. Sometimes it takes me a while to know how to respond to some of the theories that JeannieBean proposes.

As you wish. I will not continue expressing my feelings and impressions of you.

I would like to say though, that I made no mental "assumptions" or "judgments" of you. It was purely an attempt to describe the energy I was feeling at the time from our communications.

I think every person has many different sides to their personalities that come to surface at different times. This is why it is sometimes difficult for a person to describe them self. They don't really know where to begin.

I have so many different sides to my personality I can't even agree with myself most of the time. I even have one person in there that thinks I'm out of my mind. I have a skeptic inside of me that tells me I live in La La land. I am a multiple personality, but they all know each other and are not split. (As far as I can tell )

JB

You may say what you wish about me, my comment stated that "I" will not extrapolate further about that which you perceive about me...

You did a fine job of describing the energy that you were feeling at the time of our communications. I just tried to point out that your feelings were not entirely based upon the actuality surrounding our conversation, and therefore were inaccurately portraying reason, based upon whatever the true source of those agreements were.

I do not compare others to myself in the terms that they are like me. My personality is a result of very specific circumstances which are unique to my own life. I assess them accordingly. Others will share their own truthes in their own ways, according to their own sets of circumstances.

Truthfully you are kidding yourself with this statement:



For if your words were based upon your feelings, then they were also based upon why you felt as though you did. You judged me based upon that which was not of me. I merely reminded you of how you felt... not why.

Perhaps all judgments are made from a point of view and from personal experience.

So all I had was your reactions, in the form of words, and my own personal experience, perceptions and feelings about them.

(I have noticed that you often grossly misinterpret and misunderstand things and I feel a significant gap in our communication that has yet to be bridged.)

When you read my words, try not to read between the lines or assume things or motives that are not written.

I do attempt to be specific and direct and as clear as possible. Still you have managed to misunderstand me and assume motives or intentions that are not there.

I strive for simple and direct communication and unguarded honesty. That is my intention.

JB

Such as?

Could you quote my words which support this claim. I sincerely do not remember ever thinking that I knew your motives nor your intentions.

I am once again at a loss for how you have arrived at this conclusion. Could you quote my words appropriately along with yours which I supposedly misinterpreted?

Mostly intentions.

Your communication is guarded and sometimes ambiguous. I find I have to dig and dig to find what your bottom line really is.

(I am not trying to compete with you on an intellectual level.)

I simply seek to communicate in a simple, relaxed, honest and direct manner. Honesty is the only way to get to know people. I strive to be as honest and as direct as possible.

You seem to dance and play in your communication.

JB

The only motive I have at this point in time to inform you that you should reconsider how you have arrived at the personal conclusions that you have. I suggested the best way that I know how. It works very well for me.

Once again...

There is no need for any competition on any level, nor the thought of there being one. I thought that this had already been discussed. I feel no need to validate myself with a competition. Evidently you do. It is merely a conversation from at least two different viewpoints. One that had gravitated towards your attempt at portraying me based upon your feelings about our conversation.

It is hard to get to know someone, if you cannot see them. Trust me when I tell you that you do not see me.

I find you expressing notions which have been attributed to me or my person that I know do not apply. Therefore, it makes me wonder why you have dismissed genuine attempts by myself and others at redirecting your thoughts, while flippantly ignoring what was said. Then later to completely disregard those corrections while again stating your previous conclusion.

In short, you were told differently by those who know, and you ignored the information given in lieu of your own means of self-substantiation.

That is dangerous ground JB.

I have yet to assess or attempt to assess your intentions, I am sitting here wondering how you have arrived at these conclusions...

My Intentions:

It is my intention to illustrate and discuss how the law of attraction works and to give some examples of how I have seen it at work. I welcome other people's thoughts, experiences or questions on the subject.

I wanted to give examples of some of the parts of the formula that are used in designing and creating an experience and in attracting what you want, rather than attracting what you do not want.

It is a subject I am interested in and writing about it is a help to me to get feed back here and questions and I hope that it might be of help to others.

If you want to consider the possibility or learn the formula or how I understand it, or write your thoughts or questions on it, that is what I am looking for.

That is my intention. I do not mind the hard questions. In fact I need them.

It is also my belief that prayer and faith work because of this Law of Attraction, and that this law was designed by an intelligent prime source.

This belief implies that we live in a subjective reality that has become real to us.

However, my personal intention is to better understand the Law of Attraction, the creative process, and to better learn how to use it.

I learn from writing about it and from getting other people's input about it.

The entire thread is based on the assumption that there is such a Law.

If you have a different opinion and do not intend to budge from that, and if your intention is to challenge the premise I am working from, then you should be prepared to present a better premise to replace it.

If you can't work from the premise that the law of attraction (cause and effect) exists, then this thread might probably upset your apple cart.

Also if you work from the premise that we do not create our own personal reality and that we are at the mercy of some all powerful Creator God who demands to be worshiped at all times, and that we are powerless to effect our own lives, then this thread will probably upset your apple cart.

JB

Because I was expressing my impressions as they came to me as honestly as possible.

As I have told you, I could be way wrong.

And you have told me that I am wrong, so I am going to take your word for it.

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It does not change the fact of the impression I was getting. I still desire to be honest about that.

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visualize him as taller than me. I am 5"7". I see him as tall but not too tall. I will guess 6 feet or 6"1".

Right or wrong?

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He is an alert fellow, strong and quick in his movements. He is not what I would call "laid back." or "easy going." I would describe him as nervous compared to my energy. He can't sit still for too long.

I still don't see you as being "laid back." Sorry.

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He is confident in doing what he does best. I have no clue what that is, but he is very confident and he excels at it.


Right or wrong?

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1. Argumentative and firmly set in your opinions.

Right or wrong, this is what I see.

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2. Stealthily cautious and guarded in stating them freely and uncensored.

I still see this....

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3. Suggestive and Ambiguous with words.

I still see this...

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4. Tries to be nice but would sometimes like to be the opposite. (Nasty)


I still see this.....


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5. Does have a temper, works hard at keeping it under control.


I still see this....


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Probably likes to occasionally put his fist through a wall, then smiles and plays nice.


Just a wild guess. Could be completely wrong.

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Those who know, know different things about you. They have their own impressions. They may be right about them. I did not see anything they said about you that I would disagree with except that they see you as "laid back."

I see too much energy to call it "laid back."

JB

JB,

I have no problem with honesty, is there any other value which is more important?

It is not a matter of right or wrong. I do not normally use those terms, for good reason. It is a matter of why you have came to those conclusions and still maintain their validity within your own reasoning.

In this last post you claimed that you were going to take my word for it, yet you continued to lay it all out, while still looking for some form of confirmation that what you had said was valid.

I would never attempt to deny the validity your expressed impressions. Of course you have those. Of course you have those as a result of our exchanges. Of course you have the right to feel as you do. This does not make them an accurate reflection of what is within me. Because I know this is true, then it only follows that they must be a reflection of what is within you, in some way, shape, or form.

It is not for me to assess why.