If you read that then yes black people need to quit murdering black people So at least that we can agree on, but after this past weekend in New York, Chicago, and many other communities around the country shootings and murder in the black communities seems to be on the rise not the decline. The ones that do want to live like everybody else are being brought down by the thugs and unmotivated blacks that do not want to live like everyone else, that is a problem. Have no clue what these "rights" are that you are talking about? The already have more rights then the rest of the population. You ever hear of affirmative action? Tell me that isn't racist! They have their own college funds, awards shows, all kinds of black only things going on, can you honestly believe that is not racist? And finally the "instigators"? Why is it I don't see white people looting stores but whether its riots or natural disasters the black people have no problem looting, they also don't seem to mind beating some innocent white people while they are at it. Go back to the Rodney King riots after the cops got off, they beat anyone who wasn't black.

Not sure if you are talking about the locus effect? Or the Locust effect? Could go either way, but your description sounds more like the locust insect that are definitely not a one dementional creature as they transform during moist periods and go in to a frenzy like the desert locust that are ravaging the east coast of Africa as we speak, threatening to wipe out at least 10% of the worlds food as we are already going thru trying times. Just when you think things can't get any worse all hell breaks out.

And by saying do something about it I do not mean riot, loot, and burn a city! Blacks are allowed to vote, blacks are allowed to own property, blacks can have high paying jobs, blacks can start their own businesses, blacks can control how many children they have and at what point in life they chose to have them, blacks are allowed to move from where they are currently at, blacks are allowed to chose roll models that do good for their community instead of bad. Their are many things that blacks are able to do if they take advantage of their rights, and take responsibility for their actions.

Black people have been speaking out about where they are placed for the last 150 years and a lot has changed in that time, its time for them to stop speaking about it and take responsibility for their own choices and do something about it for themselves.

Hey Jaish, I could write a book and still only scrape the surface of the complex reasons the things are they way they are. The most obvious reasons are DRUGS and Pop Culture (movies, TV, music). Starting in the early 1980's the incarceration rate in the United States started to skyrocket mainly due to the United States "War on Drugs". The US has the highest incarceration rate of any nation and really the US has only been a country for a relatively short period of time compared to many and a lot has gone on in that time. In some ways we are still the "wild west". Guns have always played a big role in the US culture for many reasons from Military, hunting, self-defense, crime, recreation, and investment. The US has had gangs since before it was even a country, they have the mob or mafia, and they still have a large number of gangs. Europe has been domesticated for thousands of years, while the US is the melting pot bringing people from all over the world with different back grounds and different levels of evolution. In general you can feel safe almost anywhere in America as the ones committing crimes often have there target picked out such as domestic abuse, or gang rivalry. Crime shows are very popular planting seeds in people's minds. Also such movies as Boyz in the hood and music from performers like NWA and their song "F**k the police" are part of the pop culture, look it up and take a listen, its a song about police brutality and targeting black people release in 1988. Also note what "NWA" stands for, it kind of gives you an idea of what the attitude is taught to many of the black youth in this country. The police should stand up and show force and control over situations, not lay in the weeds and let things get out of control. An average of 50 officers are shot and killed in the line of duty every year and cops kill an average of about 1000 people every year. That just tells me their training has paid off and they are a better shot. Half of the people incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug crimes, but when dealing with drugs on any level that could quickly change with the amount of money involved and the affects of using the drugs. We need to keep our guns while keeping guns out of the wrong hands, easier said than done. We also have to accept the fact that some people will die along the way, everyone has to die sometime anyway, we can't save all of them.

Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Should they take the guns away from police? The police are now using guns designed to kill because if they injure someone it can be much more dangerous. They want to do away with tear gas, pepper spray, or any other chemical products because it may injure or kill someone. Some people have died from tasers so do away with them too. And ban all restraint because someone can die from that. Clearly these people are not just stopping and going along with what the cops are trying to get them to do. Should we just let all the criminals run free? Then you get like the redneck father n son in Georgia that take the law into their own hands. You also get an increase in crime and murders, if a criminal isn't stopped they continue to be criminals. I will say putting a juvenile or young person in jail or juvie often just puts them in with more thugs and they learn more bad things than good, there is better way to deal with this. However calling cops racist and telling them to stop killing black people who resist arrest is not going to do anything in the big picture. Things need do be done at the root of the problem, that is stopping the culture of black youths who are wannabe gang bangers. This can be accomplished if they are not born in the first place, it can be developed into their belief at a very young age, it can be shamed instead of praised to become a thug. Pop Culture and peer pressure is a big part of planting the seeds into the minds of our youth. Have you listened to rap music? Have you seen some of the movies that make gang banging look glamorous? If a parent is getting things for free then the child feels that's the way thugs are and they too should get things for free no matter how they have to go about doing it. If anything the black community should be outraged by these thugs that give the black community a bad image. There are many neighborhoods that not only white people are afraid to drive thru, but black people are also afraid to drive thru these areas. There is plenty of white trash out there too, but you don't hear about them shooting eachother everyday. The majority of black people are doing their best to make it in the world so I don't understand why they are not addressing the problems with these thugs?

Peoples stupidity does not = society's fault.
Peoples laziness does not = society's fault.
Peoples lack of judgement does not= society's fault.
Peoples lack of respect does not = society's fault.
If you are an alcoholic its your poor choices that got you there, not society's fault.
If you are 150lbs over weight and have diabetes its your lack of good choices and/or your genetic make-up, not society's fault.
If your addicted to drugs you've made some bad choices in your life, not society's fault.
If you decide to have a child you can't afford to take care of its not society's fault.
If you decide to run around with a gun or try to wrestle a cops weapon away from them and you get killed its not society's fault.
Its about time people start taking responsibility for their own actions, show some respect, stop playing the victim, and stop blaming society for the choices they make.

Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules.
I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life.

Did you really think it thru before you posted a stick figure smoking? What are you trying to teach our kids? Smoking is no longer an acceptable behavior, in fact the smoking population is one of the most discriminated populations there is. Between the outrageous taxes and the very strict restrictions on where they can actually smoke.

Do you people have a clue who picks your fruits and vegetables? Mostly migrant workers from Central America, some legal and some not. Do you think they get minimum wage? Most of them are paid by volume to get around paying them a living wage, and some forms of food and shelter are sometimes supplied. But for the most part they are doing slave labor. Sometimes they need to pay off what it took for them to get here, and other time these farms deduct for certain things. There are many illegals here being taken advantage if while others are sitting on welfare and not doing a thing but still complaining they want more, or those working meaningless jobs for minimum wage but for some reason think they should be compensated the same as those who are doing skilled jobs, or performing physical labor. Increasing minimum wage only increases the cost of everything while devaluing the worth of the American dollar. The actual value to work performed compared to compensation will always vary widely. The thing is people always have the right to get another job whether for better pay or for less responsibility.

Well maybe we should look at the fact that nearly half of all murders in the United States are committed by black men? Blacks make up about 13% of the US population so about 7% are black males. The thing is most of these murders are of other black men. Between 2011-2013 38.5% arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. About 33% of the prison population is black while the US consist of about 64% white people and they make up 30% of the population. I'm sure some people think that white people can afford great lawyers and that the court system gives them free passes, however this is not the case. There is more white people living in poverty then black people. So somehow these black guys who fight and/or run from the cops and end up dying should be top priority in the black community? Maybe if people had a little more respect for the law and others there would be a lot fewer deaths of black men in general. I feel sorry for the black people who have worked hard to get out of the hood and make a better life for themselves and family and these thugs are still bringing them down. A start would be if you can't take care of yourself you probably can't take care of a kid, or two,or three either. I'm not a racist or a radical, I'm a realist. The problems that need to be solved run much dealer than the police force. Do the right thing for the community and turn in your neighbors, friends, or your son when they are thugs, turning your eye to it will just lead to pain by more. People who get everything for free have no respect for it. They think if people can get welfare, foodshelf, and toys for tots for free then it's also OK to shoplift or loot stores or rob the local convenience or liquor store. Its time to break the cycle, not the police department.

Any normal person they would have been questioned and sent on their way, however Floyd pushed the officer or stumbled into him as he got out of the car. That is assaulting an officer. Just because they hand cuff or detain someone doesn't always mean they are under arrest. Driving under the influence is also a crime, however this call was on a counterfit bill and it was unknown of Floyds drug use when they showed up, these officers were unsure of Floyds medical condition besides what he states thru the process. The two rookies made the initial contact and its not clear what was relayed to the other officers. Floyd falls on the way to the car. Its not clear at this time if this was a way to resist arrest or part of his medical (drug) condition, but he did fight the officers. Its been stated he said he was clostrphobic and having trouble breathing. However I'm not certain how much of this has been proven. There should also be body cam footage and possibly footage from the cop car but that has yet to be seen by the public. When they put Floyd in that position on the ground I assumed he tried to spit on an officer because that is the most common reason for doing so. Floyd relieved himself either voluntarily or involuntarily. Cops don't like when people do that or puke in their car and that could be a factor too. While on the ground Floyd never once said "UNCLE", and anyone with siblings would know to do so. The officers kept him down to wait for the paramedics, there is no proof of the amount of pressure they applied.

Have you read the criminal complaint against Chauvin. CNN 8 notable things criminal complaint is good place to start. Also the Hennepin Co Autopsy. They both state that underlying health conditions and drug use were factors in Floyds death. He was having issues prior to be brought to the ground and resisted arrest. The question is did anything the officers do really lead to his death? Or would have he died no matter what those cops did? Any which way his drug use does have an effect on this case, and had he not resisted he most likely would not of been in arrested in the first place, or had he been arrested and not resisted then he would have never been put to the ground, however there is still a possibility he would of died. Restraining him on the ground may have been the best thing those cops could do. There is nothing that will ever measure the amount of pressure the officers were putting on him. There is nothing saying that these officers could have done ANYTHING to keep Floyd alive.

People were shocked after Columbine but the only thing that's been done since then is Mass Shootings have become commonplace. Its part of Pop Culture. Now its like BTW there has been another mass shooting lets continue with our day. If anything George Floyd should be a say no to drugs campaign. Opioids kill an average of 130 people everyday, George Floyd just happened to be one. Remember the commercial where they crack an egg in the frying pan and say this is your brain on drugs? Now they can show the George Floyd video and say this is you on drugs. And make sure they notice him pissing himself. Rodney King and so many others have always been this one will bring change and it never does. Its time for the black community to start solving their own drug, gang, and thug problems on their own. Throwing money at the problems only makes them worse, the only way to get real results is lots of hard hard work. Its like you can't stop someone from using drugs unless they want to stop using drugs.

I'm not into conspiracy theories but there are some really fishy things for those who are interested. Floyd was spiraling down hill fast, he was out of work, on drugs, thrown out of his apartment and basically living in a homeless shelter. Who calls 911 on a "Fake" $20 bill that apparently turned out to be real? And no police department I know of would send officers out to check it out, they would say come down to the station and fill out a report or take it to a bank we don't have time to deal with that. Then they show up, which trust me that takes a long time especially if its not an emergency. And in that time somehow Floyd is still parked there. How is this possible? And he's got "friends" in the car. Now its possible that someone drugs him with the Fentanyl. Don't believe most of what you see about his family, daughter, and friends that are coming out for the $$$ and 10 seconds of fame as most were not real friends, most family was in Texas, and doesn't sound as he was currently part of his daughters life and owed back child support. Now the cops show n he pushes them or stumbles or something, his "friend" had some kinda excuse. Then going to the cop car he falls again, they get him in the car where different versions of the story if there were struggle or not but Floyd claims to be clostrphobic and have trouble breathing so he can be taken into better camera view. And of coarse their is someone who just happens to be recording this along with 2 security camera's watching. Then he uses the "I can't breathe" like thousands of people dying from corona virus gave and also that guy in NY. Then the ambulance was supposed to be on its way but took longer than it should to show up. And this is all happening during covid19 where our governor has put so many restrictions in place that the officers aren't even allowed to do mouth to mouth recesitation on somebody. All this while 2 bumbling idiots are getting ready to fight for the presidency of the once United States of America and they know Biden is such a weak candidate that he needs any thing he can get to win being that Murder Hornets and Corona Virus weren't enough to give him an advantage. That's just my short list of things that may have been a little fishy or phishy for those who enjoy a spin. I figure everyone else has concluded what they think they know is fact, and the people are clearly easily brainwashed so I might as well throw this stuff out there as well.

Pretty sure that's what must of happened in Minneapolis after the incident cuz they sure didn't do a thing to stop any of the riots, looting, or burning. Everything is caught on video but nothing has been said about going after anyone. I think the should post images of each and every person and offer a bounty for their capture. The thing is Minneapolis police have a great compensation package, after only 3 or 4 days on the job you get 40 yrs free room and board at a local prison. I call the protests "blizzards" now ( because all the snowflakes). The majority of these people are just jumping on the bandwagon with no clue what it is really about or what to do about it. George Floyd has become pop culture now. If black people really want change they need to start by changing themselves, and they actually have to want to change. Blacks are 100 times more likely to be shot or killed by a black man then a white person. Just by saying "the black community" or a black neighborhood they are asking to be separated. We tried the separate but equal and that didn't work. We could of put them on reservations like the Indians but we didn't (that was a different time people). It took thousands of years for white people to become "white". When was the last time you heard an Irishman shot a German while two Italians stood and watched. It wasn't all that long ago when every nationality was marked, generally the lighter the skin the higher up the ladder that nationality was. Now we are just "whites" or "Americans" but many black people don't want to conform to that even thou their are many that already have. A lot of it starts as youth and the thug, gangbanger attitude, the pop culture or stereo type that many of the youth get trapped into. Drug, theft, destruction, and lack of respect. There are many good jobs available for young black men or anyone for that matter but it takes 4 thing to keep that job. 1- show up on time. 2- show up everyday 3- do your work while you are at work. 4- act professional. Many people can only accomplish one or two of these things. That is not acceptable, these are easy things to do and millions of people mange to do them everyday. I have seen young black men working, I know it can be done. Just this week I seen some flagging traffic during road construction, good paying job with benefits. Giving people handout does nothing for them long term, people will never show respect for anything unless they have to work for it. Slavery was ages ago quit using that as an excuse, the civil war was fought mostly by white people in which many died to gain your freedom. Start showing some respect to white people and perhaps you will get some in return. They have affermitive action, black college funds, even black awards shows. Blacks get all these things plus are able to get all the things whites do, so quit the whining and do something about it. The "Whites only" country clubs and what not have all been dismantled or opened to all. How about the blacks start dismantling their blacks only clubs too? We are all into this together but the blacks still want their "Blackness".

It is not a fact that he died from excessive force, that is an opinion that many people have, but not a fact. Fentanyl is 80 to 200 times stronger than morphine, as little as 3ng/ml has been known to kill some people. Floyd had 3 1/2 times that amount in his system along with meth and thc, he also had preexisting heart condition. All that plus the rage and stress of being arrested could easily cause heart failure. One of the cops had been on the police department for 3 days. Another one had been on the force for 4 days. If they would have used a stun gun he would have died, if they would have pepper sprayed him he would have died. Chauvin kept him detained til the ambulance arrived, maybe we should start putting everyone down the line in jail for there actions. The ambulance should have arrived sooner. When I take my daughters cat to the vet 3 grown people can't even hold a 10 lb cat with no front claws down, their solution is to sidate it. Now you take a 6'-6" 250 lb man that is in rage and on drugs and try to control him. Its easy to say now the cops made some bad decisions as all humans do from time to time, but at the time in that situation they made the choice that thought they had too. What would have become of it if Floyd would not have been stopped and slammed his car into a family killing them because he was HIGH?
Search " Mannie Ellis is George Floyd". Its almost identical case in Tacoma Washington where black man being detained by 4 police dies. Its just not caught on video. Mannie was also high and died of heart failure. Whenever someone on drugs dies while an officer is present they always assume the cop has some kinda special power to save a life. The biggest problem is people see things in black and white, and even describing something using color assumes that there is a difference in their human condition. Assuming guilt, intent, or that someone is racist base on their skin color is the exact definition of racism.

Does this mean Mingle can not pull any of our posts down anymore? Sorry, just thought I'd throw that in there

Alta Mira>fentanyl>risks-fentanyl

Keep in mind that George Floyd is a felon freaking out about going back to prison along with a fentanyl overdose. This description of an overdose matches step by step the decline of George Floyd and the coroners reports from both parties. As much as I would love to see the people running the government instead of the government running the people I truly believe that the public got this one wrong and the government has folded to the peoples wants. Its far to deep to be fixed now but the truth must be known.

Thanx PSX, there is plenty of sources for the autopsy out there that can easily found. I would like to see the official police incident report but can not find that one. Much of these videos are clips of what they want you to know and not the facts that people should be seeing. I would also like to know who the man and women are that were in the car and got out upon the initial confrontation. I'm not a journalist, and neither are the majority of people on here. I do not expect to see a link to every post as many of these are just propaganda anyway. The forum is more of an oversight of different people from all over with different thought and views, and that's what makes it interesting. If people want to see the fake news they are more than welcome to watch their favorite news network or whatever MSM outlet they prefer.