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Wed 09/07/11 12:08 AM

Thanks for posting, Sandlewood4!

Before I get into this, I'd like you all to know that my signature line has been this for the last five years:

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

...and I live by that; I really do.

That having been said, everyone on this thread should be wondering by now why it is that saying "Hello" is
considered kind. After all, it doesn't feed us, house us, or help us propagate our DNA. Furthermore, if
we're not using the greeting as an introduction to a more useful conversation (such as to arrange for your house
to be painted, for example), then it's even less obvious why anyone would say "Hello" or "How are you?"

After all, the last thing someone wants to know when they ask, "How are you?" is how you are.

It's clear, then, that most of these trivial greetings must satisfy some social ritual. Eric Berne (author of
"Games People Play" tried to explain some of this in the 60's with something called Transactional Analysis.

These greetings are known as "Strokes". Babies require lots of "stroking" for proper development and it appears
that even as adults we "stroke" one another dozens of times a day. It tells us that we exist and that others
know it. A mentor once told me, "People like to hear their names." Now, I know why.

Mr. TallDarkAndIrish pointed out that at his gym, the males acknowledge his strokes, but that females do not. Berne
explains this by observing that people are picky about whom they can receive strokes from or give strokes to. In our society,
it isn't acceptable for a woman to exchange strokes with many types of men -- particularly men they don't know.
(Flaming gay men, on the other hand, are okay to stroke, it seems. Or hot guys. Not single engineers; sorry.)

Since compliments and greetings are essentially free, it seems reasonable to wonder why ANYONE would withold greeting
and complimenting everyone everywhere. We all know people who are more gracious than the average person and it seems
that they "didn't get the memo" to be stingy with niceness. Yet on the whole, we ration our compliments. Why?

Another researcher (Steiner) points out that there seems to be a "stroke economy". One web page suggests it is some
sort of parental control conspiracy. I don't know about that. But it does seem that where compliments are given
too freely, that they lose their value.

For hallway acknowledgements, it seems that I use it to say that "I recognize you to be an important member of our tribe."

And I suppose that's the kind thing to do, but it's also the proper tribal thing to do, so it's self-serving in a way.

But I'll never ask "How are you?" unless I want the question answered.

Have a great day! And thanks for letting me blabber.


Thank you so much for your input. Very interesting questions and insights, indeed. I wonder if this may be related to why more women ignore frown men as Mr. TallDarkAndIrish had mentioned in his example. I have certainly been in these situations many times. Since men (in general) are more assertive, women may think a hello might turn in to something they would rather not go towards, which I’m sure also happens the other way around as I have experienced it when guys were not interested in me. It was a safeguard of some sort.

Nevertheless it was nice blabbering with you.

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Wed 09/07/11 12:05 AM

Where I work everyone has ear plugs or muffs on so if I cannot say hi or hello, I'll give them a smile, wave my hand and smile or nod my head. Though I rarely say hi or hello - it's usually howdy or hey. Sometimes it's "Good Morning or Afternoon".

As to being on the road stopping to allow someone out of a drive or parking space, same thing. Wave my hand with a smile. Though most often I get the finger.



wxmann, please forgive me for being so blunt and offtopic but what’s up with the mask? Couldn’t help my curiosity. biggrin

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Wed 09/07/11 12:04 AM

I greet anyone who is a reasonable distance from me when I am out (walking, working, exercising, or shopping). It's a nice thing to do, and I enjoy seeing people smile.

When I was returning to my apartment late (I walked everywhere in College, I'm not so good at this now) I made a point of greeting anyone close to me. It made me feel safer, because I knew that THEY knew that I had seen them and was alert to their presences.


I totally agree with you Nyteflame, about the safety aspect of greeting. I hadn’t thought of that. It takes the tension off of certain situations, especially related to danger. As you said, it let’s people know that you see them and also let’s them know you’re not scared of them which changes the dynamics.

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Wed 09/07/11 12:03 AM
Wow, I didn’t think I was going to get this many amazing responses. Let me see if I can summarize it all, as I don’t think I can respond to everyone individually.

So some ideas about this social response is related to culture, gender, styles of handling conflict, insincere, meaningless, habitual responses, or simply nothing personal. All good points. Some people didn’t find greeting necessary and many welcomed it. Then there are some who it doesn’t really effect or who did not experience it, maybe even as a result of where they live. Oh, what a wonderful feeling that must be.

For some people it was important to set boundaries so the acknowledgment does not turn into a conversation or bonding. I have done this many times with strangers.

I don’t really care too much about the greeting itself. If someone decides not to have eye contact with me sometimes I let that be the clue to leave the person alone, no problem. I just feel, if someone decides to establish eye contact with you it’s too late not to respond to someone who is saying hi to you, unless you want to let the person know there is something else going on as klc mentioned.

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Tue 09/06/11 12:00 PM
What do people get from ignoring you when you greet them? Is it a control issue? This can't be a cultural thing, can it? I'm thinking of work environments and school when specific people all of a sudden turn sour for absolutely no reason. Even if you don't like the person, does it not take more effort not to greet back someone than a simple hello?

I know there are a million reasons. Maybe they didn't see you, maybe they were in deep thought. I'm talking about repeated incidents, when they establish eye contact yet refuse to acknowledge you. After a while you get tired and stop looking at them passing by and most of the time, then they start greeting you again when you give them the cold shoulder. frustrated

I greet everyone. My neighbors, the homeless guy around the corner, the ice cream man.... Just trying to understand.waving

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Tue 09/06/11 11:36 AM



well you know a lady on line, she is kindly raffinate.............but not sincere, at the first date you starting to feel something wrong on her............her voice.... some particulars are not so femminine, step by step the date in going on and you are not so sure that she is a woman, at last she open her legs ...............holy sky............she is more man than you..............

what would you do.....



see where it goes, after all, she is the SAME person you liked before you saw the hardware right?...lol


free your mind from gender traps,,,DOWN WITH GENDER IDENTITY!!!

lol



down with the gender identity .........sure......but l'm talking about a not sincere person


a lovely smile to you sweet lady...........ciao ciao

it helps to get to know the person before you check out their gear. that way you may get to know them better and give them a chance to open up.

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Tue 09/06/11 09:12 AM
I hate nothing about men. Individual people? Ha... that's another story.

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Mon 09/05/11 10:43 PM



well you know a lady on line, she is kindly raffinate.............but not sincere, at the first date you starting to feel something wrong on her............her voice.... some particulars are not so femminine, step by step the date in going on and you are not so sure that she is a woman, at last she open her legs ...............holy sky............she is more man than you..............

what would you do.....


Well, you know, that's what you get for going too fast. :tongue: Although she should have been more upfront (if you gave her the chance), I think transgender issues are pretty overrated these days and homophobia underrated. I'm actually getting to know a trans-man right now and I really enjoy his company.


if that person is honest and sincere l wish to you all the best and l'm sure it will be a good friend-ship relation


Why would he not be? He matches his profile picture and doesn't pressure for a #. I say that's a good start. Besides I don't think anyone would put "trans-man" in their profile if they weren't. Do you even know what a trans man is?

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Mon 09/05/11 10:09 PM

What is up with the post about the age differences?? I mean we r all adults ok. Do what you want date who you want......Its NO ONE elses life and really NO ONES business but your own. Stop worrying about what society thinks about it or the righteous down the street. Live your life. Just a voice of opinion.


Welcome to mingle. Feel free to start a new subject.

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Mon 09/05/11 10:03 PM

I didn't write it and wasn't defensive about it. I just assumed the site had forgotten what I'd done here and started me fresh with post #1. When she claimed exception, it made me wonder the importance of whether it was post 131 or 132. And, I "never" wrote "post #1. That was their program that included it. I didn't see it until after I posted the message. Until then, it had either been underneath the screen or was added at the moment I posted the thread. That's what happened.


We've been having quite a few men start posts on this subject. It's getting old. That's all. Sorry.

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Mon 09/05/11 09:57 PM
Edited by Sandelwood4 on Mon 09/05/11 09:59 PM






I don't take profiles without pictures seriously when it comes to dating.


Me either. As said before, if they're just here for the forums and chatting, it won't be a big deal. But as soon as they make it apparent they're interested in more, I make it clear that I don't meet people who won't post pictures.


Yet they still try to make lame excuses.


Do they avoid video chatting, too?

Why would anyone want to video chat with a bowl of fruit?


That's quite a topic change. I thought we were discussing how guys are apparently hitting on you (interested in more) but refuse to post pics, and whether they also avoid video chatting. That has nothing to do with fruit bowls, my pic, or me video chatting.

Video chatting came to my mind because I thought of how easy it is to fake a pic. If you really want to confirm someone's appearance, you got to see them in person or video chat.

Also, I've met a few rare people who simply don't have a digital camera, don't have a scanner; and don't know how to use their laptop cam to take pics...but they can video chat.




Go ahead, and video chat. No one is stopping you.
I was actually not talking about anyone hitting on me. I was talking about people looking for relationships without a profile pic. and then you talked about video chatting.

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Mon 09/05/11 09:48 PM

Cougar Hunters,

MILF divers,

Horney Dogs,

Whatever...

Who's leg do I got to hump to get a date?

rofl
Someone is persistent with this issue.

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Mon 09/05/11 09:45 PM


I don't care about pictures, when you've seen one, you've seen them all.


How so? Everyone looks pretty different.

Though, that's how I feel about descriptions people give online when they don't want to share pictures. They all sound pretty similar.


Biscuit-man can't switch profiles that fast.

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Mon 09/05/11 09:38 PM




I don't take profiles without pictures seriously when it comes to dating.


Me either. As said before, if they're just here for the forums and chatting, it won't be a big deal. But as soon as they make it apparent they're interested in more, I make it clear that I don't meet people who won't post pictures.


Yet they still try to make lame excuses.


Do they avoid video chatting, too?

Why would anyone want to video chat with a bowl of fruit?

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Mon 09/05/11 08:52 PM
Edited by Sandelwood4 on Mon 09/05/11 08:56 PM
At least they have pictures of themselves and not random objects likes flowers or fruit.

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Mon 09/05/11 08:52 PM

I swear most these women been on here and have had the same pix for years, I wonder how many are still alive?....lol


Repeat offenders? WTF?
Is that a wig you're wearing?

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Mon 09/05/11 08:42 PM

well you know a lady on line, she is kindly raffinate.............but not sincere, at the first date you starting to feel something wrong on her............her voice.... some particulars are not so femminine, step by step the date in going on and you are not so sure that she is a woman, at last she open her legs ...............holy sky............she is more man than you..............

what would you do.....


Well, you know, that's what you get for going too fast. :tongue: Although she should have been more upfront (if you gave her the chance), I think transgender issues are pretty overrated these days and homophobia underrated. I'm actually getting to know a trans-man right now and I really enjoy his company.

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Mon 09/05/11 08:26 PM


I don't take profiles without pictures seriously when it comes to dating.


Me either. As said before, if they're just here for the forums and chatting, it won't be a big deal. But as soon as they make it apparent they're interested in more, I make it clear that I don't meet people who won't post pictures.


Yet they still try to make lame excuses. Maybe we should all get rid of pictures. ohwell

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Mon 09/05/11 07:58 PM

On your own profile, clicking on your
city and/or state will bring up all
your locals :-)


I didn't know that. Wow, that's cool.

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Mon 09/05/11 07:48 PM


Like my momma used to tell me: The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice. smokin
LOL my momma never told me this but my friends did and according to them this is true. but the reason i dont want a dark girl is because i dont want my children to be dark i want them to be light skinned


dude, that is so lame.

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