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Thu 02/14/08 07:30 PM
I think that each individual establishments should be able to choose wether or not they allow smoking in their own establishment. Now in public places I understand not wanting to smoke, but I think that people should be able to smoke in places where the owner says that it is allowed. Now people might say that they deserve to go anywhere and for it to be smoke free, but the problem is that if you make other people not smoke by law you are taking away other people's rights. You take away the right of the owner of the establishment to say what goes on in his own place. And you take away the rights of smokers to smoke. And if you want to go to a place where there is no smoking, then you go to a place that has made the descision to have a nonsmoking policy. You shouldn't take away other people's rights because you don't like something that you can easily avoid.

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Thu 02/14/08 03:00 PM
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Wed 02/13/08 09:34 PM
It looks good. I would add what kind of things that you are looking for in a guy, just to draw in some more interest.

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Wed 02/13/08 04:57 PM

The woman applying for a job in a Florida lemon grove seemed way too qualified for the job.

Look Miss," said the foreman, "have you any actual experience in picking lemons?"

"Well, as a matter if fact, yes!" she replied. "I've been divorced three times."


It sounds like she is the only common denominator.

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Wed 02/13/08 01:00 PM
Not only am I going to be single, but I don't have a date for valentines day, but I still love the day. I love anyday when you are supposed to be romantic. I would prefer to have someone to be with, but I still can't bring myself to hate a day that I know I will eventually enjoy so much.

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Wed 02/13/08 12:51 PM



I don't think it's typical Valentines Day flick, but I wouldn't say it was "anti-Valentines day".

I'm anti-Valentines Day....
LOL


So im guessing that your a suporter of singles awereness day.


I guess so! :tongue:


There is no need for that kind of sas

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Wed 02/13/08 12:40 PM

I don't think it's typical Valentines Day flick, but I wouldn't say it was "anti-Valentines day".

I'm anti-Valentines Day....
LOL


So im guessing that your a suporter of singles awereness day.

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Wed 02/13/08 12:33 PM
I was watching TV and someone just said that Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is an anti-valentines day. Maybe I am crazy but I think that it is a great romantic movie. I know its a tragic movie, but I think it shows true love. Anyway what do you guys think about Eternal Sunshine being an anti-valentines day movie?

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Tue 02/12/08 08:56 PM
*raises hand* I do I do!!!

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Tue 02/12/08 07:55 PM

I still can't believe that you're only 18.


LMAO I thought that was settled laugh

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Tue 02/12/08 07:48 PM

i dig it :)


Well thats incouraging :smile:

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Tue 02/12/08 07:46 PM
Ok I updated my profile again and I think that it is the best it has ever been so give your opinion on it.

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Tue 02/12/08 05:50 PM
Edited by Tobias1540 on Tue 02/12/08 05:50 PM
If we could wake up in the kind of world where we belong........

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Tue 02/12/08 11:40 AM



Our own CIA and Special Forces members are waterboarded to prepare them for such interrogation tactics.

Waterboarding broke Khalid Sheik Mohammed and it caused him to confess numerous terror plots that were in process and he gave up serious al Qaeda figures and operations.

Works for me.


First off the information he gave was not reliable. Second I have not heard one bit of evidence that said any torture has given us any useful information. Thirdly torture is never an effective way to get information because if you are tortured you will say anything to get it to stop. Fourthy if you want america to become a place where we torture people, and we hold people in overseas prisons where they have no rights, thats fine you have the right to believe that, but I think america is better then that. And if you remember toture and no human rights were the "reason" we started this war. So we havve become what we hated. How hipocriticle is that?


Seems you forget the real reason we decided to JOIN this war is because we were hit by terrorists crashing planes into our country! Not because of torture and human rights.


That is true if you are talking about afghanistan. But now if your takling about Iraq thats different Iraq never had any significant ties to terrorists, and as i remember one of the motivators for going to war in Iraq was Hussains horrible human rights record.

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Tue 02/12/08 11:33 AM
Edited by Tobias1540 on Tue 02/12/08 11:35 AM


Our own CIA and Special Forces members are waterboarded to prepare them for such interrogation tactics.

Waterboarding broke Khalid Sheik Mohammed and it caused him to confess numerous terror plots that were in process and he gave up serious al Qaeda figures and operations.

Works for me.


torture rarely works. most times if they confess to anything, they're just saying it to make the torture stop. torture does not work.


ever notice that we havent been attacked since 911? i say dont change a thing.


we were only attacked because of mass failings by our government and by many government employees, how can you even say that as if it's a valid point?


I can hold up a rock and say that this rock is a tiger repelent. Now my only evidence is that there are no tigers around. So how much do you want to pay for this rock to take on your vacation to inda? :wink:

P.S. this isn't to you toasted, but one of your quotes.

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Tue 02/12/08 11:17 AM


I have seen what waterboarding is. You put somone on a board and slant it back like a see saw so their head is below thier feet. Then a towel is put over thier nose and mouth and water is poured onto the towel. It doesn't sound that different from what Asano, Yukio was convicted for. And if someone is convicted of three counts of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder, they are still covicted of all of them. It doesn't matter how many things they did agains't the law they did it and it counts. So yes the guy was convicted for water torture amoung other things. Just becasue its not the only thing doesn't mean that its not illeagle.


Would he have gotten 15 years for waterboarding? Would he have been prosecuted if he had done it to military personal? There are too many flaws in this arguement. He wasn't just waterboarding. He wasn't waterboarding enemy combatants. He did the waterboarding in such a way that could have resulted in death. If you can't see the dissimilarities between what he was charged with and what we do, then there is nothing I can do for you.


Toture is torture no mater who does it or what happens. If you think that we are better then other people and we can do that thats fine. But torture is toture do not say that because people are not serverly injured thats ok. If you want toruture to be leagle say that but don't split hairs about what torture is.

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Tue 02/12/08 11:10 AM
Edited by Tobias1540 on Tue 02/12/08 11:11 AM


It says water torture in your post so why did you use it as evidence when it does not support what you say? And what does it matter who we do it to? If it is torture and illeagle then it doesn't matter who we do it to.


It says "Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs. Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward "

To say he got 15 years for waterboarding is a complete lie. There were multiple charges. Also, it's important that we don't grab civilians off the street and do that to them. We pick targets who have potentially important information. Also, the way he did it was to suspend someone upside down, which is torture and can result in death. Waterboarding doesn't kill. It doesn't result in permanent damage. It is just scary. The guy in question was actually filling a civilians nose with water, while the person was held upside down. He could have drowned for real oh and he was a civilian, which means he had no information which could have been useful.


I did not say he got 15 years for waterboarding I just said that he got convicted for it, which is true. I have seen what waterboarding is. You put somone on a board and slant it back like a see saw so their head is below thier feet. Then a towel is put over thier nose and mouth and water is poured onto the towel. It doesn't sound that different from what Asano, Yukio was convicted for. And if someone is convicted of three counts of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder, they are still covicted of all of them. It doesn't matter how many things they did agains't the law they did it and it counts. So yes the guy was convicted for water torture amoung other things. Just becasue its not the only thing doesn't mean that its not illeagle.

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Tue 02/12/08 10:15 AM
Edited by Tobias1540 on Tue 02/12/08 10:16 AM

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

Defendant: Asano, Yukio

Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan

Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

Verdict: 15 years CHL

Reviewing Authority Recommendations:

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As this website shows, the person in question wasn't charged for waterboarding, but for other, more brutal forms of torture. Ted Kennedy is well know for stretching the truth.

Also, we use waterboarding on enemy combatants, Yukio Asano used waterboarding on civilians.


It says water torture in your post so why did you use it as evidence when it does not support what you say? And what does it matter who we do it to? If it is torture and illeagle then it doesn't matter who we do it to.

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Tue 02/12/08 09:52 AM

Our own CIA and Special Forces members are waterboarded to prepare them for such interrogation tactics.

Waterboarding broke Khalid Sheik Mohammed and it caused him to confess numerous terror plots that were in process and he gave up serious al Qaeda figures and operations.

Works for me.


First off the information he gave was not reliable. Second I have not heard one bit of evidence that said any torture has given us any useful information. Thirdly torture is never an effective way to get information because if you are tortured you will say anything to get it to stop. Fourthy if you want america to become a place where we torture people, and we hold people in overseas prisons where they have no rights, thats fine you have the right to believe that, but I think america is better then that. And if you remember toture and no human rights were the "reason" we started this war. So we havve become what we hated. How hipocriticle is that?

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Tue 02/12/08 09:42 AM

uh huh. i wish the world was as idyllic as it is in your head, but it isnt. and comparing our military to the nazis is just plain misleading. were talkin destroying a race of millions for sport as compared to squeezing someone for info.
if yuou think waterboarding is bad, read about some of the atrociticies wrought on the victoms of the nazis, or hussain, for that matter. your not comparing aples to apples, but rather trying to invoke emotion, which isnt going to work with me. ever seen your buddy who you just had breakfast with running around like a chicken without his head? i have been there. these armchair liberals have no business even expressing thier opinion till they have done some time on the front lines. if you want accurate info, talk to the eturning vets. youll never get the true story from the news or these liberal/ enemy based websites your always quoting. my opinion is based on real life expierence, not some news program spouting lies. Do you realise that the media is so slanted against bush and the military that it is just not worth watching? i deal in reality, and truth.
no one who has been in combat wishes to return there. we dont like being shot at, and anything done to shorten the war or save AMERICAN lives is worth it. i dont like the idea of torture any more than you but it is a part of warfare, always has been, and always will be.


If you want to shorten the war there is one easy way to do that. End the God damn war. Now how simple is that.

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