the consensus is , it depends on the woman and man.

some women prefers a man to pay for date

some women prefers to pay for themselves

some women wants to break your balls for suggesting you should treat them

and some women don't care.


and we have to figure out which category they fall under.

flirting differs from culture to culture O.P.

thing I can do in America and I cannot do in Europe or China or japan.
Here If Im talking to a woman in New York, I look in her eyes, but in China and Japan, looking in the eyes of a woman for long period of time is considered rude.

If youre going to live in America someday you might as well get used to it here.

bingo ,and every disturbed kid sees all the attention these losers killers get and wants to do the same.

they should make an example of these killer kids in private, but in public never mention their names.

Just say loser kid shot up school, loser kid caught and will get his azz beaten and that is the end of it, no social media, no msm, nothing.

I know greeneyes, its sickening, and that is the question ,what do we do?

You cant ban guns because criminals and the mentally unstable dont care, you cant put armed guards at all schools , playgrounds , Pop warner football games I mean what is next, armed guards at Wiggles concerts?

what kills me is they think that banning guns is the solution.
when will they wake up to the fact that criminals and the mentally unstable dont care about laws.

Why dont leftist care about our kids in school, dont their lives matter?

Early reports suggest his facebook pages had nazi,fascist, communist symbols

Im sure all the anti gun folks will be out in full force now.

and lets see if this punk also has mental issues.

you have to thank your left leaning radical feminists sisters for that one Fervid.

I dont speak for Crystal, Im assuming you mean Crystal Fairy?

I see where she is coming from as Ive experienced in the past women who were extremely hurt from previous relationship has a major wall up and a lot of them when you dig deep down don't really love themselves.

Now that doesnt mean all women in that position and I think Crystal Ferry needs to understand that.

Some women who do love themselves but have been indoctrinated by whoever to believe that YOU(the woman) MUST PAY YOUR OWN WAY, this isn't the leave it to beaver trip back to the 50's, because women are on equal footing as a man.

and that is why I mentioned the square peg in a round hole, m not going force a woman to adopt my thinking on a date, and I would hope she wouldn't force me to adopt her thinking if we are on a date.

but that wont happen because it will never get to a date.

lula,

the only wrong answer is abusive jagoff men.
you want to avoid those and most self proclaimed nice guys

lula, it depends on the man

some men prefers confident independent women that enjoys being a lady and wants her man to be a man

some men prefers women who depend on them for everything.

some men are abusers no explanation needed there.

some men are wimps and whine like little boys or spoiled Kardashian children, because they've been poisoned by third wave feminists.

some men dont know their azz from their elbows

and then there are those self proclaimed nice guys and you should avoid them all costs Lula

those that call you ugly racists names are stupid people, and you've noticed most of them act like their ignorance is a virtue.

I think you're missing the point, nobody said it was the woman's fault, there is no blame to go around .

My point is compatibility, if a woman wants to go dutch, or pay for the guy and the guy is okay with that, then they are compatible , if the guys says I'm sorry I prefer to pay because I like to treat a lady vs being a friend and the woman refuses , its nobody fault, its just they are not compatible.

nothing more nothing less.

Dating and relationship are two different things, the point of dating is to see if we are compatible and progress from there into a relationship .

what you are describing is putting a square peg in a round hole, its nobody's fault that they are different its just the way its made.

I prefer to meet a woman who will allow me to exercise my choice on being a man there is nothing wrong with that nor is it anyone's fault .

Some guys prefer to meet a woman that wants to go dutch that is his and her right , its doesnt make him wrong, but that is his and her choice, just because its not right for me doesnt mean its wrong.

not really, Although I cant speak for most Americans, I certainly dont care.

I suppose If I was living in the UK it would be a big deal, I guess its kind of like someone from the Kennedy's getting married, Democrats would go gaga over it.

you can be happy at any age, so it depends on what makes you happy.

My folks are happy people, they live comfortably, they have healthy and happy children and grandchildren.

Im at a point in life where im very comfortable , no financial stress and that makes me very happy.

so my point, happiness is a personal thing

excellent and well said, she gets it.

you are from a different culture, it seems you do not understand western culture Lula

Over here we dont do arranged marriages, we like to know our partners first and means dating.

Here is something you dont understand about men and especially men in your culture, as they are off marrying the pretty young woman, the moment she has kids, he out getting his weasel greased.

As the wife is staying home with the kids, looking after the house etc, he is out doing his thing.

Blondey, its not that simple, because some women dont want a man to buy them a coffee, they insist on buying it themselves.


Fervid.... that guy answered the question, some of us are brought up that a man when dating goes out of his way to treat the lady like a lady, not a friend, or a buddy, of a friends with benefit.

Im Italian, and I see it within my family, my parents and grandparents told me their stories about the dating process.

A man feels like a man around his lady, a man feels like stunad around a woman who pays for things for him on a date or go dutch, I go dutch with my sisters, friends, relatives etc.

Think about this Fervid, Its like me saying to you "fervid ( I dont know your real name obviously) I want to take you out tonight, but please dont wear any make up, put your hair in a ponytail, wear frumpy clothing, granny panties, flats,no perfume , all natural..

we are going to a party afterward... how would that make you feel? would you feel like a woman ?

Men just like being a man not a boy.

This is going to sound bad Karen, but it depends on how you dressed up
it could be that you looked too nice dressed up and it spells high maintenance.

Or you dont look as good dressed up as you think?

I will give you an example, friend of mine works at the Bank of America, she dresses in her business attire, she looks amazing, but in jeans she looks awful.

My cousin is a jeans girl look sharp, but when she dresses up , nope.

Casual maybe your thing, or at least at this singles meet up thing.

Go to another singles meet up , one in casual and one dressed up and see what happens, if its the same thing then you know.

its a matter of compatibility Fervid

if a woman Im getting to know says to me hey the reason why I insist on paying my own way/dutch is because Im independent, I have my own money , I dont want to feel obligated.

Right there tells me we are not compatible ,plus this is a conversation I usually have before we meet or when we meet and I insist on treating her because I want to see how she reacts.


Some women do make a big deal out of going dutch, and that is fine and that is the last time we ever see each too.