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Nothing to see here.

I would still be here at 1. The only sin you have hanging over your head is the one you imagine your God cares about. A normal person that doesn't believe in that type of Voodoo can go through out the day peacefully knowing that they are not sinful by nature. That their children will not be born sinners. That they do not have to pay for the sins of some fruit eater from long ago.

Come out into the light where you can find real peace.

That is what I said. The reason I did not go into yours is because it DOES NOT offend me in any way. You just put up a well worded question on the purpose and power of prayer.

That thread is not offensive to me in any way. It is a well placed question on what prayer really does. Not someone saying God gave me that Rocket Launcher I have been praying for to kill the infidels with.

You can believe those things if you want to twist the words. However it clearly states "GIVE us THIS DAY our DAILY BREAD". If you think that Jesus is God then his words must be pretty important and very clear.
That sentence says quite a bit. The person who is praying it is asking to do nothing and be given something, in this case bread. He is also asking that he be given this same thing over and over again every day. Jesus makes it clear here that you should ask God to feed you every single day. Ask him to give you bread.

The second sentence that you pray to God is

"Lead us not into temptation"
If you are praying that to God that means you are saying GOD lead us not into temptation. God is clearly the one that will lead you into temptation in that sentence. These are the words directly from Jesus. If you think you can come up with better words to make his point for him I would think twice if I was you.

Here are the two things that stick out to me

1 he only asks for bread. Nothing more. He could have asked for a farm, place to raise grain and make bread to feed a family, but he just asked for bread.


The second thing is why would God lead us into temptation. It seems so weird, like he is just sitting there about to lead us off with great temptation. Of course as a youth and a young believer I looked at the females around me and was very tempted by Gods works. So maybe he does create some wonderful temptation.

The Pope

man this guy just wants to try and stick his thumb in everyones eye. It seems like he just goes out of his way to irritate others. Quite a step away from the last one.

Thanks Red. This post is great. I was so frustrated wondering why people can't see the nose on their face. At least it makes a lot more sense this way. Some type of self preservation (even if it is one of the ego). We can all understand and feel that type of self deception. I may be able to approach this with a little more calm. (only a little)

Good to see you too earth spirit. You must be keeping a low profile. Yeah things were warm here until spring hit now it is all snow.

Soon we will have spring and the misquotes will be here.

My point is in saying that Christians can't just Cross the finish line while they knock everyone else down and then say lets play fair NOW.

You see yellow rose it is almost offensively ridicules to many more then me.

I don't know what you cannot understand. I am talking about exactly what this thread is about.

Ok I will tell you exactly why this so offends me.

I figured out a long time ago that miracles did not happen. While I was still a strong Christian I could see in that no miracles were happening in our time. I could figure with my own mind that if God did miracles then we would not have free will and finally I knew that we were taught to have "faith" in god. If you prayed for God to put a puppy in your hands and pooof one appeared there, then you would have KNOWLEDGE of God. Faith would no longer exist. You do not have to like or dislike this info I am just giving you every thought in my head about Miracles since I was about 25.
When I was a Christian I would try to point out to people in my Church the ramifications of what they were saying if they believed in miracles. That we did not have free will and that our faith was so weak that we needed to test God to make sure he was there. I just could not understand why these people always wanted more, more, more.

Move ahead many years and I am married and my second son is almost 2 and my wife is pregnant with my Daughter. We go into the Dr to get the results of a test on my second son. We are told by the Dr that he has SMA and that the life expectancy of kids with it is 3 years old and the baby had a 1 in 4 chance of havening it too. His muscles will waste away,similar to lou Gehrigs disease, until he becomes to weak to breath.
Today he is 8 years old and still going strong. He is very physically weak and has to use a power wheel chair. He has a short life span and will never walk and barley has the strength to feed himself. He is the greatest kid a parent could ever have. He is so happy, so smart, so sweat. People just love to be around him. His sister did not have it.
I don't think you can imagine how maddening it is to have someone come up to you and say " God only gives Children like this to people who can handle it"
Don't they understand what they are saying, that means if I was a little weaker my son would walk. How stupid can they be? I did not do anything to put my son in this situation. It is just how nature works. A genetic roll of the dice.
Even my in laws will come and say we are praying for a miracle for your son. I ask what miracles exactly? They say that he will be cured. I try to point out how offensive that thought is to me. Like are they saying that my son is somehow less of a person just because he cannot walk. He is a great kid, and I do not think a short life span makes life less wonderful. There are plenty of people that get to a ripe old age and are nothing but bitter and mean.
Think about what you are saying when you claim that God will selfishly bend the rules of the Universe just to please you.

I will say it again. The only reason that you can comfortably sit in this virtually all Christian country and peacefully practice your religion, is due to the fact that many guns were used to clear out the land that you sit on.

So go ahead and say that you are pure because you never raised a hand in the war. I agree with you, you did not HAVE to kill anyone YOURSELF.

However you cannot say that other people with other philosophies that now use the same tools your religion did are being unjust, or somehow "bad" because they now have enough power to fight back. Like I said earlier in my case I will only use words to forward my cause. I do not believe the same from my foe. I have even been physically threatened by Christians in this bullitin board. So don't tell me it is just in the past.
I know the truth of history. You want to ignore the fact that you stand on the shoulders of those that came before.

Good luck ignoring history.

At what point did he mention the Movie????

Here are the words that I saw


".....because there are people hungry, dying? What does anyone really do to help in these situations? Complain? Throw stones? Ridicule?

I prayed for a job. Any job. I asked for the wisdom to know when I needed to get off my ass and get there when it showed its self to me......"




What does that mean?

It looks like you are saying that the people who are hungry and dying are doing so because they did not pray for food.


I just can't see how that is a loving God.

Christianity has spread all over the world and that was done in most places with the Sword. Christianity has prostelytizing as it's corner stone. You cannot sit here in a place were that religion pushed out many hundreds of indegiounus religions and put itself in place with the Gun and now say we are all even lets just be nice to each other. Your religion does not have a history of being nice.

I am here to point out the flaws in Christianity because it prostelytizes. I will be here prostelytizing the beliefs of reason, science, knowledge, peace and so forth. I hope someone out there will see the light and walk out from the dark oppressive nature of Christianity. I will only do this with words. I will never bring the sword with me. I know I cannot say the same for my foe.

I'm sorry I just talked to God and he says he takes it all back. He was just kidding. He says he thinks it is the funniest thing to mess with those people that believe he will go around making everyones life great. He says he hopes you get the Joke and if you don't the jokes on you.

If you read this God took it all back.