Isn't that how it always works though?

Eventually someone runs out of enough "proof" for their side, and they bring up Hitler, then it just takes off from there. .

Because it is an unjust sentiment to have for your fellow human beings. I can always cite another example if you like? I was being kind on that one.

When you quote Jesus about paying taxes you quote a fictional character made up by the Roman elite who worked under government. Of course they would want him to say that. They wanted their taxes.

On the slim chance that a man really did say that who was later cast as "Jesus" he was saying it to appease the powers that be so they might not run him through with a sword or try him for treason, (according to the Urantia book.)

The war in Iraq is technically illegal because Bush did not have the proper authority or reason to go there. He did it illegally. He invaded a third world country and bombed hospitals and homes and cities. That is not a legal war.

If you pay taxes to support this government and this war effort and George Bush is ever convicted of war crimes or illegal activities or terrorism, you are as guilty as him.

If the CIA is conducting black operations and terrorists activity using our tax dollars then you are as guilty as them.

If you support Israel's bombing and invasion of Gaza and their terrorist agency then you are just as guilty as they are. (Evangelic Christians support Israel.)

Why anyone would support Israel is beyond me, especially Christians. They (Israelis) are either anti-Christian or anti-God. They have no right to be there. God did not promise that land to them. Who the crap do they think they are?

So why out of all the characters in the New Testament did you pick Nero to question me about? Why Nero?

Probably because he is one of the few who stands out as being a real person who existed in history.

Yes, he was mentioned in the New Testament. Yes he probably did truly exist. The fictional characters of the New Testament were placed in actual places, and with some real people to give them credibility. (Just like any fiction.)

Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional characters.

Documentation by the Egyptians? The bible doesn’t count, Eljay.

But it was still the word of god correct? What difference would it make what title you give them? Anyway, that’s a ridiculous argument. I used the NT twice now to cite examples.

How funny. I once explored Catholicism and found it to be outlandish. Amazing how people can have such differing world views. I’m also female and I was unhappy with the misogynist presence embedded in the Church. That might have swayed my opinion of it.

Getting back on topic here. I have this feeling that the primary reasons why a person clings to or "finds" Christianity is:

A. From childhood, it was what they were instructed to believe in and they didn’t know any better. They were also afraid to question it even if they wanted to.

B. People that were not necessarily indoctrinated at a young age but who suffered some sort of major trauma or life altering experience that caused them a great deal of grief or a loss of control.

C. Those that just call themselves Christian but really don’t go to church or read the bible but it seems socially acceptable to consider themselves Christian and not acceptable to their friends, spouses or families to consider themselves anything else other than Christian so they continue on with the charade.

sorry but Christian have not cornered the market on delusion ..all faiths no matter the religion or the demonination or the philosophy are delusional ....

faith is the practice of willingly placing oneself into a state of delusion

That was an excellent observation on the part of JB. Hardly "junk logic." Not to mention that not one apologist on forum has taken on that article 24 from the Nazi programme. She was the only one who did.

This is actually my second cited example from the NT. I have to also ask why can I only use the NT? Is the OT not the word of Yahweh suddenly. Even so, its easy.

Matthew 10

10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks right, Eljay?

Eljay said:



I don’t understand the historical correlation you are attempting to make between Nero, who was a well documented Roman Emperor and Moses who was some guy who supposedly freed the Hebrew slaves from Egypt yet there is absolutely nothing in the hieroglyphic record that even makes mention of his existence outside of the bible. I’m finding it difficult to believe that the Egyptians would have just glossed over that if it had actually occurred.

Eljay said:



Okay lets take a look at some of that biblical "justice" shall we?

2 Corinthians 6

6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

"Be ye separate."

Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. You should not even be speaking with us Eljay. Your god commands you to not even look at us. Of course this is the NT where it went from "kill all of the heathens" to just turn your back on them because they are "unclean." Thank goodness for small favors.

Eljay said:



That’s right Eljay. Wow we actually agree on something. So by this admission alone you can explain Adolph Hitler and all of the other atrocities committed by Christians and Atheists and anyone else. Although an Atheist does not entertain the notion of "sin" they still have a clear understanding of right and wrong. Hitler was a man and he made some very poor decisions because he was fanatical, probably a sociopath or suffering from some form of borderline personality disorder. He was a Catholic, yet ANYONE is capable of committing sin or perpetrating a wrong.

What do you not understand here? Martin Luther was a German monk. Germany was the most Christenized nation in all of Europe at that point in history. It was the actual birthplace of Protestantism Your lack of historical knowledge is staggering to me at times.

When it comes to what someone beliefs, I am going to trust the words that come out of their own mouths.

Simply that Hitler was "Christian."

The difference between "Christian" and "Jew" is that Christians accepted Jesus as the Messiah and the Jews rejected him.

Pure and simple.

And because the Jews were "anti-Christian" that made "Christians" anti-Jews.

It justified Hitlers hatred of the Jews using religious power and platform helping to engender hatred for Jews.

Now this tactic is a common one for inciting WAR.


Our own country is now in the process of engendering hatred against Muslims.

When are people going to wake up and stop hating whoever they are told to hate? When are they going to stop using their religious differences and beliefs as an excuse to slaughter each other and justify war?

Bickering who is right and who is wrong is what the powerful politicians love us to do as that is the beginning of manipulating us into war against each other.

In war, only the men who control the money get richer. They make money on both sides.

Wake up people. Please.

This comment makes no sense so I can not respond to it.

The purpose of Religion (was) at its time to save you from yourself!

Yep I agree, but he exists as a fictional character, held in high esteem.

And I don't think any of the characters in the New Testament existed either except in fiction, but they have become real to people so I speak of them as real to people who believe they are real.