Moses was pretty evil; he killed an Egyptian and then buried him in the sand.

I will probably assume most people are not "true Christians" until they walk in the ways taught by Jesus, which are the ways of love.

I know some 'Christians" who live by love who are not actually involved with religion at all nor do they claim to be Christian or that Jesus is the savior.

Love is the savior.

God is love after all. You can't tell me a person who practices Love and goodness is going to hell just because they don't buy into the Biblical picture of Jesus or God.

"Jesus" is simply a symbolic name, and an ideal that represents the salvation of the Path of LOVE.

One can follow that idea and that path without ever having read the Bible or gone to church.

If that were the case, then we could not even hold Christianity accountable for any of these atrocities. We might as well not even teach school age children about these historic events because it makes Christianity appear "evil and manipulative." Lets just tear all of it out of every text book used in American public schools today. We can have a big book burning but only the sections detailing Hitler, the Crusades, the Witch Burning, Genocide in Rwanda, the Missions, Columbus because they all weren't "real Christians."

Then I have an idea. Anyone who is not a real Christian, and anyone who does not love thy neighbor and practice what Jesus taught, should be kicked out of the Religion and not allowed to tell people they are Christians.

That includes the Bush family and Obama and anyone else.

That includes anyone who puts on a uniform and invades another country and anyone who pays taxes to support that effort.

But then, who would enforce this rule? Certainly not true Christians.

Answer this all you "Born again" Christians and 'other'Christians,:

Do you pay taxes? Do you support this illegal war? If you do, then you are not true Christians, you are just pretending to be.

You cant be serious. Martin Luther? Protestant Church?

Historically speaking, how would Hitler's actions have been incompatible with Christianity?

So in other words, you will pick and choose who is a "true Christian" based on what you feel is deserving of that label at any given moment.

No True Scotsman.

All I have seen is that one side has provided quote after quote FROM HITLER regarding his beliefs, while the other side just repeats the same, tired, He wasn't a "true" member argument.

How can you make the claim that Hitler's actions were not those of a christian, when history indicates otherwise?
(the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Witch trails. . .)

This coming from a guy who probably hasnt cracked the bible.

Eljay the problem with that is there are people who consider themselves Christians that you do not consider to be true Christians. Therefore, you are calling them liars and it becomes a matter of opinion, theirs against yours.

Opinions.... everybody has one.

But I do understand what you are saying. If it be the gospel truth, then there are "Those who claim to be Christian but are not, and are the synagogue of Satan"

I believe this to be true. The most evil people with the most evil intentions hide in sheep clothing among the sheep and the flock has more wolves in sheep's clothing than sheep.

Henceforth one has to assume that everyone who calls them self 'Christian' must be under suspicion and not to be believed. (or trusted.)

You will know them by their deeds. But do not believe their proclemations.

Actually longer if you think about it. It doesn't mean it is true though. It is either a possiblity or pure imagination, but in your case a truth to believe in.

I have repeatedly told you what MY PERSONAL DEFINITION of a Christian is. I did not "get that from someone else". Holy crap. The balls on you to make such statements.

So according to Allen Aqua, the entire German population were idiots or fake Christians.

What about Christians who work for the good of humanity? Catholic charities etc...Let me guess your response. They are all "true Christians?"

This reminds me of an argument I had in second grade with a class mate.

. . . and back to the "No True Scotsman" argument. . .

Now, I'll ask you, as I have asked others.
You are nothing more than a mortal, who are you to decide who god accepts, and who he doesn't?

I can answer that as I learned it from a German woman who lived in that time during Hitler's reign.

Hitler was their Hero. The corrupt sect of Jews (not the religious ones) were taking over Germany. The Germans were treated poorly and were mostly poor and working for the rich Jews as servants.

When Hitler invaded Austria, he got rid of a cruel dictator and he was a hero of the German people there too.

Not all who call themselves "Jews" are truly of the Jewish faith or even Semitic Jews by blood.

The Bible even speaks of those who "claim to be Jews but are not; and are the synagogue of Satan."

This is not metaphoric. This is a literal clue as to what is going on inside the "Jewish" population.

Semitic religious Jews are the ones who are betrayed and persecuted, and the other Jews are the ones responsible for it.

They have been called also "The sons of Cain." Offspring of Satan. But they have the blood of the fallen angels who mated with human women in their veins.

You obviously need to read more of the New Testament.

Allen that is the second time you posted the same article. I looked up the man's site and he is a Christian. Not to mention that he uses not one actual quote that can be attributed to Adolph Hitler. Why is that do you think?

Eljay that is a pointless, childlike argument. We are dealing with 1930s Germany and not what you personally have decided it means to be a Christian. Once again I beg you to look up "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

Well that doesn’t change the fact that Hitler was a Catholic. He was not a "Born Again". I have not looked up Born Again Christians from a historical stand point but right now I feel safe in saying that the concept did not even exist yet during the era that Hitler came to power. There was however two very strong Christian forces present in Germany. The Protestant and the Catholic Churches. Hitler's eventual goal was to find a religious leader who would reunite the two churches under the Third Reich once he had won the war. It never occurred to him that he would lose.

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So if I am reading this statment correctly, you have basically asserted that every human being on the face of the planet is not a "true Christian" unless they are Born Again? Every Catholic, every Protestant, every Episcopalian, whatever it may be is not a true Christian but only pretending at being Christian?

I think some people would beg to differ with that statment. If I were Christian I would certainly find that to be offensive.