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With the many atrocities in the name of God that has been reflected in the history of mankind, I cannot understand how anyone can follow such a idealogy in the first place regardless of what the religion or faith it comes from. There are truly people who can live peaceful amongst each other who are non religious or spiritual that have better belief systems then the gods that many have worshipped. Clearly a mediterrenean mythology as harmless as it may look is truly as dangerous as history has told it. When people start screaming "Because God whilsts it" then it is already a lost cause as we know in history people have lost their lives just because they are from a different culture, belief system, or lifestyle that is not adapted to the religion that seeks to spread across the globe by any means necessary. I admire those spiritual paths that do not seek by any means possible to influence their idealogies onto others, but instead practice for their own well being and inner happiness. Those are the people we should admire and follow and only few have made in the books of history as we know it. You are blaming religion for the people who abuse it. Do you think prescription drugs are evil? Lot's of people abuse them. Stalin killed millions in the name of Atheism. Does that make all people who do not believe in God evil because Stalin was? The way to my inner happiness and well being is to not follow anyone, and I don't admire anyone for their philosophies. It's their actions I admire. I couldn't care less what they believe. Yes many have followed religion as the true path of rightenous on how we should act, be, and live. Many use religion as a excuse for their actions also. It is recorded in history many times and it is your choice to see it how it is. If you don't believe it to be true then you can bypass history as much as you want, yet you will have many who will always disagree with it. If you don't follow anyone is also a good path. I have not followed anyone at all and lived under one rule all my life, which is "don't do that what you don't want done to you." This was and is primarily sufficient for me to live a productive life full of happiness and inner peace, yet I also enjoy those who have lived similiar paths and even truly helped those find a peaceful way of life in which I can proudly say they are great people to admire. There is nothing wrong with this. One of them I can say now is a friend at the miccosokee tribes of indians here in florida who is a chief of 93 years old. I can say that he is a great example who has shown many how to deal with the atrocities their culture had suffered by your ancestory and how they deal with it today. "Don't do that which you don't want done to you" is another way of stating "The Golden Rule", is it not? So you're living your life by christain principles. I think you will find that a closer look at the atrocities of "religion" are not representative of Chistianity at all. Just the abuse of religion. How does that - in any way - show an allegience to Christ? You are using the common misconception that religion and chritainity are interchangable terms. They are not. |
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Body is a temple
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I don't know much about religion, but....arent Catholicism and Christianity (very similar)...and don't they promote drinking wine (being the blood of Christ) promote drinking??? Didnt the bible state that Jesus turned WATER into wine? Why would Jesus do that????? Why not just let them drink water???  I don't get it. Yes, you're right. You don't get it. |
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Body is a temple
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I smoke and drink. Does this mean my soul is damned, and I will burn for eternity in hell? I have never been in a fight, and have never harmed another human or animal. I HAVE however swatted a few insects. Should I be worried?  The only thing that will cause you to spend eternity "in hell" is if you make the decision to do so. |
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Edited by
Eljay
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With the many atrocities in the name of God that has been reflected in the history of mankind, I cannot understand how anyone can follow such a idealogy in the first place regardless of what the religion or faith it comes from. There are truly people who can live peaceful amongst each other who are non religious or spiritual that have better belief systems then the gods that many have worshipped. Clearly a mediterrenean mythology as harmless as it may look is truly as dangerous as history has told it. When people start screaming "Because God whilsts it" then it is already a lost cause as we know in history people have lost their lives just because they are from a different culture, belief system, or lifestyle that is not adapted to the religion that seeks to spread across the globe by any means necessary. I admire those spiritual paths that do not seek by any means possible to influence their idealogies onto others, but instead practice for their own well being and inner happiness. Those are the people we should admire and follow and only few have made in the books of history as we know it. You are blaming religion for the people who abuse it. Do you think prescription drugs are evil? Lot's of people abuse them. Stalin killed millions in the name of Atheism. Does that make all people who do not believe in God evil because Stalin was? The way to my inner happiness and well being is to not follow anyone, and I don't admire anyone for their philosophies. It's their actions I admire. I couldn't care less what they believe. |
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What if God created humans THROUGH evolution? Like say, for example, God made whatever we supposedly evolved from? Wouldnt that still technically be God creating man "in his own image"? Or would it still be an evil, ludicrous theory to Christians? Then it's a different God from Genesis. What God are you refering to? |
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From Eljay: "Most likely for the same reason you won't read anything by Kent Hovind unless it's from someone attempting to discredit him". Kent Hovind, is in jail for tax evasion. What has that got to do with his lectures on Evolution? And..... From Wik: Hovind maintains that biology textbooks are lying and that he considers evolution to be a religion. Specifically, he claims that "all" evidence "used to support the evolution theory is [sic] errors." His reason is that there is a conspiracy "brainwashing" youth and that "evolution theory supports communism, Nazism, socialism, and the New World Order." In addition, he claims "I am not trying to get the evolution theory out of the schools." He has claimed that everything is a religion, including mathematics. Evolution is a religion. You need more faith to believe in Evolution than you ever would Christianity. Most people who believe in Evolution do so with a blind faith. Hovind has several conspiracy theories about the U.S. government. He believes that the cyanide-releasing compound Laetrile is a "cancer cure" and argues that the US government is conspiring to suppress a cure for cancer. On his radio program he has said that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks by Al-Qaeda terrorists killing nearly 3000 people and that a "lot of folks were told not to come to work." I'm unaware of this. What's your source for this so I can check it out? He also believes the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by the government. "Did you know the Federal Government blew up their own building to blame it on the militias and to get rid of some people that weren't cooperating with the system?"Regarding UFOs Hovind recommends books by conspiracy theorists who believe "some UFO’s are U.S. Government experiments with electrogravitic propulsion as opposed to jet propulsion, while others are Satanic apparitions." Again - unaware of this - Source? Additionally, Hovind believes that the Federal Reserve, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, and various other groups are actively planning to create a one world government and that the 1993 World Trade Center attack was staged by the US Government in order to pass "anti-terrorism" legislation that restricts civil liberties. He says, "I love my country, but fear my government. And you should too."He also believes there is no such thing as the separation of church and state, and opposes public schools. The "One World Government" is not something new. This has been going on for some time, and has even been put into motion in Europe. Again - I don't know of his statements on the World Trade Center Stuff. What's the source for this. There's no such thing as the separation of church and state other than a mis-interpreted ruling by the courts over a letter by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. There is nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state. It says the governemnt shall make no laws concerning the practice of religion... Something the courts have been ignoring for years - as they make laws and rulings against religion all the time. The courts have become un-constitutional, and the lame-duck Congress we've had for decades does nothing about it. Public schools are useless, and a joke. I know this first hand. Went to them, and taught in them. They're glorified baby-sitters, and expensive day care centers run on tax dollars. It doesn't take much searching to find his quotes on all of these things. And now I know the thought prosses you are comming from. Well - evidently you've had difficulty if this is your idea of providing your sources for the comments you made on him. I'm curious as why you would expect anyone to believe there legitimate statements if you won't allow the opportunity to have them checked out for oneself? For all I know - you're the source, and you just made this stuff up. |
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can someone PLEASE answer me the question i keep posting???? I'm trying to understand things (with a fried brain lol) let's assume evolution is correct....what started the whole thing DNA or some kind of micro programing in everything. but where did the first of first things come from to make everything Look up Abiogenesis. That will give you an idea what the premise of Evolutionary Theory is. It is not a scientific theory because the "facts" f Evolution's presumptions cannot be verified. It is mere interpretation of current observation of biogenic change within species - extrapolated back and presumed to "prove" that species evolved through an evolutionary "tree" as opposed to a forest of "kinds". It's presumption - like Christainity. And remains catogorized as a religion until DEMONSTRATED otherwise. |
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didn't darwin propose the monkey and man thing??? i guess i'm confused on other theories out there??? Darwin said that man and ape had a common ancestor, we share 96% to 98% the same DNA. And Chromosome #2 proves that we are related in that sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human) Chromosome #2 is proof of evolution. It is not "proof" - it's conjecture. Until thy take an Ape and fuse two of it's Chromo's to get a man - it isn't proved. It's incredibly strong evidence. Evidence of what. exactly? |
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From Eljay: "Most likely for the same reason you won't read anything by Kent Hovind unless it's from someone attempting to discredit him". Kent Hovind, is in jail for tax evasion. What has that got to do with his lectures on Evolution? And..... From Wik: Hovind maintains that biology textbooks are lying and that he considers evolution to be a religion. Specifically, he claims that "all" evidence "used to support the evolution theory is [sic] errors." His reason is that there is a conspiracy "brainwashing" youth and that "evolution theory supports communism, Nazism, socialism, and the New World Order." In addition, he claims "I am not trying to get the evolution theory out of the schools." He has claimed that everything is a religion, including mathematics. Evolution is a religion. You need more faith to believe in Evolution than you ever would Christianity. Most people who believe in Evolution do so with a blind faith. Hovind has several conspiracy theories about the U.S. government. He believes that the cyanide-releasing compound Laetrile is a "cancer cure" and argues that the US government is conspiring to suppress a cure for cancer. On his radio program he has said that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks by Al-Qaeda terrorists killing nearly 3000 people and that a "lot of folks were told not to come to work." I'm unaware of this. What's your source for this so I can check it out? He also believes the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by the government. "Did you know the Federal Government blew up their own building to blame it on the militias and to get rid of some people that weren't cooperating with the system?"Regarding UFOs Hovind recommends books by conspiracy theorists who believe "some UFO’s are U.S. Government experiments with electrogravitic propulsion as opposed to jet propulsion, while others are Satanic apparitions." Again - unaware of this - Source? Additionally, Hovind believes that the Federal Reserve, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, and various other groups are actively planning to create a one world government and that the 1993 World Trade Center attack was staged by the US Government in order to pass "anti-terrorism" legislation that restricts civil liberties. He says, "I love my country, but fear my government. And you should too."He also believes there is no such thing as the separation of church and state, and opposes public schools. The "One World Government" is not something new. This has been going on for some time, and has even been put into motion in Europe. Again - I don't know of his statements on the World Trade Center Stuff. What's the source for this. There's no such thing as the separation of church and state other than a mis-interpreted ruling by the courts over a letter by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. There is nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state. It says the governemnt shall make no laws concerning the practice of religion... Something the courts have been ignoring for years - as they make laws and rulings against religion all the time. The courts have become un-constitutional, and the lame-duck Congress we've had for decades does nothing about it. Public schools are useless, and a joke. I know this first hand. Went to them, and taught in them. They're glorified baby-sitters, and expensive day care centers run on tax dollars. |
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 Also, when dealing with someone who truly believes that Evolution is the work of Satan, they will never be objective enough to actually learn the facts, and instead will cling to the fundamentalist "understanding" to continue to refute it. I keep hearing this term "facts" used with evolution. What does this term - "facts" mean? WHAT FACTS! |
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As soon as I run into presumption and supposition attempting to masquerade as fact - there's no reason to read on. That is a pretty funny line coming from a Christian. Most likely for the same reason you won't read anything by Kent Hovind unless it's from someone attempting to discredit him. It's not that hard to discredit Hovind. Basic Scientific fact does that all on it's own. When you show me one of these evolution sites that is not based on presumption and supposition, I might consider it fact. In the meantime... I'm not claiming that there's anything about christainity that is fact - it's a faith based philosophy. Like Evolution. As to Hovind... obviously you know nothing about what his discussions are about. What scientific fact would you like to present that disproves Hovind. And don't send me off to U-tube, all of those sites on Hovind set up strawman arguments about what Hovind's lectures are about. |
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didn't darwin propose the monkey and man thing??? i guess i'm confused on other theories out there??? Darwin said that man and ape had a common ancestor, we share 96% to 98% the same DNA. And Chromosome #2 proves that we are related in that sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human) Chromosome #2 is proof of evolution. It is not "proof" - it's conjecture. Until thy take an Ape and fuse two of it's Chromo's to get a man - it isn't proved. |
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Edited by
Eljay
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I'm not up on the evolutary theory, but I do think things evolve to adapt to their surrounding and climate I do to within a species... But was a cat ever a cow, was a dog ever a turtle. What I would like to see is people taking the original OP and answering for themselves from the original. Don't go off on your own lil jaunt to prove a point.... Thats not evolution. A cat turning into a cow would disprove evolution. it makes as much sense as me coming from an ape or chimp....you guys still aren't sure amongst yourselves which one.. You have been told this dozens of times. We did not evolve from chimps. No-one that understands evolution is saying that. That is a lie that christians have come up with to try and discredit it out of an irrational fear. Actually - it is saying that, even though they deny it. Yet - one of the so called "proofs" is that the second strand of DNA on the human Chromo is the "fused" Chromo that links the 48 chromo Chimp to the 46 Chromo of man. Looks an awful lot like that "common anscestor" was an Ape to me. |
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can someone PLEASE answer me the question i keep posting???? I'm trying to understand things (with a fried brain lol) let's assume evolution is correct....what started the whole thing DNA or some kind of micro programing in everything. but where did the first of first things come from to make everything Look up Abiogenesis. That will give you an idea what the premise of Evolutionary Theory is. |
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Edited by
Eljay
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Creation is not a theory..... Creation is not a theory because it's not Science! Creation cannot be tested, it can't be proven, it's just a statement. Creation doesn't explain anything, it just gives people a reason to remain ignorant. At this point(as I have posted before) it has been proven, that Creationism/ Intelligent Design is nothing more than an attempt to force religion into the public school system. Ohhhh this is to priceless.....interesting though....as it is not allowed at all into the public schools... Yes, Creationism/ID is not in school, but it has attempted to force it's way into schools, thru the legal system. Each time, it's attempt has failed. Rightfully so. It does not belong in a secular classrooms being taught by teachers who wouldn't know where to begin when bombarded with questions. By the same token. Evolution does not belong in the classroom either - because all the students get are conjecture and presumption in response to their questions - leading these children to grow up assuming there exists factual evidence for the Religion of Evolution, when none actually exists. We have numerous cases of this all over these threads. Keep Creationism out of the schools - and get rid of Evolution in the science classes. There's nothing scientific about it. |
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Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal. Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution. http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html BOOOYAHHHHH!!!! Creationists 0 Evolution 127,256 Some people will believe anything. Isn't that the evolutionist's mantra to disprove Creationism. That article is crap. It explains nothing but Pretext. All the links on that page - of course not. As soon as I run into presumption and supposition attempting to masquerade as fact - there's no reason to read on. Most likely for the same reason you won't read anything by Kent Hovind unless it's from someone attempting to discredit him. I put no more stock in the prophets of Evolutionism than you do in those of Creationism. And since there exists no proof to support either one of our world views beyond the choices of interpretation of the facts - it just boils down to a matter of faith. |
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Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal. Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution. http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html BOOOYAHHHHH!!!! Creationists 0 Evolution 127,256 Some people will believe anything. Isn't that the evolutionist's mantra to disprove Creationism. That article is crap. It explains nothing but Pretext. |
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It's really quite simple, for creationism/I.D. to be proven, someone needs to find an organism that is irreducibly complex. Simply, for ID to be correct, you need to find an organism, or a system within the organism, that if you take just one part of that away, it will no longer work. Each and every example of this that the ID camp has trotted out with, Science has disproven the Irreducibly Complexity of the organism/organism system. I find it hard to believe that you actually watched all the videos, and didn't get a single answer.. That one's easy. Vanilla. It can be demonstrated that we will no longer get vanilla if the melipona bee goes extinct. That doesn't prove anything is irreducibly complex, it proves mankind's dependence on the Melipona Bee, for Vanilla. And Vanilla's dependence on the bee for survival. So how does Evolution get around that. And by the way - explain how evolution explains how we got Vanilla in the first place? And... How are you going to now get out of my just using your example to prove Creationism? Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal. Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution. http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html Sop explain how the purpose of the vanilla plant is to produce Vanilla - YET - it cannot do so without the Bee. Fit this into the "survival of the fittest" scenario, and explain to me how the Vanilla plant knew there was goig to be a bee to pollinate it and how it got it's information from it's "common ancester". |
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Edited by
Eljay
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http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/12/24 26283-seven-signs-of-evolution-in-action I've been reading through the posts, and it all sounds very familiar. What begins to occur with these threads is the proponents of evolution state their cases citing scientific websites, links to videos, photographs, documented proof and a research based dialogue. That goes totally ignored by the religious. Then they ask the same questions that were just answered. Then the proponents of evolution post their links to scientific websites, links to videos, photographs..... I've watched every U-tube video that I've been directed to, and have not recieved a single answer to any of the questions I've asked on evolution, or how Creationism has been disproved. I don't think there's anyone on this site who can explain to me how Creationism has been disproved. Or at least if they can - they haven't posted yet. It's really quite simple, for creationism/I.D. to be proven, someone needs to find an organism that is irreducibly complex. Simply, for ID to be correct, you need to find an organism, or a system within the organism, that if you take just one part of that away, it will no longer work. Each and every example of this that the ID camp has trotted out with, Science has disproven the Irreducibly Complexity of the organism/organism system. I find it hard to believe that you actually watched all the videos, and didn't get a single answer.. That one's easy. Vanilla. It can be demonstrated that we will no longer get vanilla if the melipona bee goes extinct. So how does Evolution get around that. And by the way - explain how evolution explains how we got Vanilla in the first place? And... How are you going to now get out of my just using your example to prove Creationism? |
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Would we as a world society be better off without religion? Do you think religion is essential to maintain order and peace in the world? Do you believe religion is long overdue and should come to an end? What do you believe to be true and what do you believe needs to be done to bring a better understanding amongst people in general? Don't we have Stalin's Russia as a prototype for this Hypothesis? |
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