Hands down tanyaann is the Queen of not beating around the bush.

Read this simple straight forward reply; you, like me will chuckle at the brilliance and blunt nature of her one word sentence.



I could not help myself, I was tickled by it.

That is exactly what I do not get about some of these guys, Children or no, they think/assume that the Mother is after them to make life hard for them. Yet they do not stop to consider what it was like growing up with one or both parents that actually did take the time to support them.

I said this before about both parents at home, Dad with two jobs Mom with one; All of our meals were carefully planed, Breakfast was measured for one bowl of cereal and milk, Lunch was PB&J with two cookies, and dinner was portioned out with no leftovers or seconds. That was just meals, we wore hand me downs from nearby cousins. I did not see a name brand shoe till I was Nine and that was only because I built a lawnmower, went out and hustled.

I ended up leaving home at a very young age and never turned back to my parents, and I have never asked for a dime of help. The day after my Ex told me I was going to be a Father, I went out and took on a Third job to support what we already had. I was only home for two or three hours a week that first six months of my Daughter's life but She and her Mother wanted for nothing.

Now my Ex is re-married we have two Children together, She and her Husband have a Third. I send home money each week, when she calls to ask, "Mortgage Payment is tight, can you help?" She knows there is no question about it I am there to help. New shoes for Track, uniforms for sports, fitted rackets for tennis, school clothes and supplies, the co-payment for doctor visits(Insurance I supply).

Just gets on my nerves... It is easy to do the right thing, but these guys cry hard it is and create so much stress and drama by fighting over "Their Money".

NO ONE can tell me "But the Economy I cannot find a job"... Sure you can, go mop some friggen floors... YOU cannot find the "dream job"... get off your ass, bust it and take care of your children...

Western Wyoming, South West Montana, Most of Idaho, Northern Oregon and ALL of Washington State... take the scenic byways they are the MOST beautiful places in the country in my opinion.(and none of my Trucker buddies blocking your view)

It is a sad world we live in where these guys cannot stand up and do what is required. Pity that "Forcing" someone to get a second or third job is the standard, they should have already made that choice on their own; but want to cry their pity party on how the world does them so wrong...
It should not been a matter of choice to pay a meesly $150 per month that is what? the Water bill for a month?
(had to change that)

That totally sucks... man this topic gets my goat...

¶ my little buddy the Pilcrow

always willing to help us figure out where the topic will change...

It, in fact not funny, but the facts are that it is MOSTLY men that are doing this anyway. Not being stereotypical... just typical.

This can easily apply to Dead Beat Mothers as well... just so happens that there are fewer of those from what I see.

Nothing to apologize for... Dead Beats erk my nerves...

While in prison the subject is charged a certain amount for each day they are incarcerated. (Three hots and a Cot lets say $60/day)

While in Prison subject joins a work program(oft times cleaning the highway at lets say $10/hr for 12 hours 6 days a week)

$720 /week then after deductions it comes out to $300/week in support repayment.

at $15600 per year the subject spends 40 months incarcerated and repays debt.

meh... this subject got me fired up a little.

The Work Program... ^^^

I find it hard to have a conversation with this person because they likely have this etched into their stainless steel counter top at home.



I would love to have a conversation with a Woman who is this specific, it means she knows what she whats... Not really hard to talk her out of it but more of a reason to WANT to talk her out of it and I could always get a hamster named Cletus.

Right on...

Paying with out hardship is the same as enabling mediocrity... I do not believe we should reinforce failure with the reward, he should be working harder.

My Father and Mother worked themselves to the bone as I grew up staying together through think and thin. My Father worked as a Guard at a local jail and as a Deputy Sheriff while my Mother worked as a buyer for a local retailer.

Paying with out hardship...

There are such things as work programs and plenty of men whom owe much less that are currently working it off in prison now.

Wow... this guy makes hard working folks and stand up Fathers look bad...

NO it should not change the fact that he owes... but he can still go around planting more seeds of failure... And we wonder why people are so jaded about the Father figures in their lives.

Sure you should not have to rely on "support" to make your way or take care of your Child, but damn why take the responsibility to Father a Child and not have some sense of moral obligation to make sure your offspring never want for anything. At least stand up and be a role model and set the standard to which your Child views others.

Owing a debt is owing a debt...

50k? this guy should be in prison working it off in my opinion.

that number seems awfully low to me anyway if this person only paid support for six to ten months...

I can read some Kanji... but do not speak but a few phrases.

本当にありがとう

ouch again

ouch...

And I was answering your question, not going around it...

"I honestly cannot say what single game I would think a woman would turn me on to watch her play..."

Before you get much more judgmental... I am a gamer and have been one sense before you were born.

That is funny... I got caught up in Northern Montana over Thanksgiving this last year. I was fighting to get home but the little bit of snow and ice was making the run hard, so I hit this rest area and called home to let everyone know I was not going to make it... Twenty minutes go by and my Mom calls back to tell me I need to eat more than those silly survival meals... I told her I had peanut butter too. She said if I were there I would be getting smacked for being a smartass.