"Zapchaser" believers have no will but that of God ...I use as reference that "The Disease of Addiction Thread" that I was so ruly asked to not post in anymore...it's all about how they have no will of their own until their found God or Jesus

well no. it is not his will that you deny him-it is your personal choice to deny him. his will goes on without you.
yes he has a plan for all of our lives, but if we make the choice to not go along with his plan for our life, that is a choice we have made-it is NOT his will that we reject him...what kind of sense does that make? none.
but he does know who will choose him and who will deny. God's will for our lives only applies when we choose to follow his direction.
God's will for the world as a whole will be done because if you choose no, someone else will choose yes.
for every road, there is a split-a fork. your life's path is plotted with every conceivable possibility. whether you choose yes or no.

Dragoness...





tinabelle:

You said...



Now why would 'God' have made a plan for someone's life if 'God' already knew that the person would not follow?

That does not make any sense to me...

God does not will bad things to happen.
but if you are steady making choices that do not include God's guidance,then you must deal with the consequences of a choice made contrary to what God wanted for you. he has to allow you to reap the 'benefits' of your grown-up choices.

Why would 'God' even attempt to reach someone who 'God' already knew would not listen?

If 'God' knows all then 'God' knows who will and who will not.

So then, the idea that a 'God' has a plan in place for someone who will never follow it is a completely illogical suggestion, in the least...

Back on topic...

Who made the choice... 'God' or the employer?

It cannot be both, especially if one considers that the employer is an atheist... which does happen also, by the way...

Who made the choice?

CS it's because he has love for us. God always wants us to choose him. and he continuously tries to reach those who do not choose him.

imagine this: you are the parent of a teenager. your child is not making good choices. but you love your child, so you refuse to stop trying to reach that child....
but as a parent, you KNOW your child. and you know that you will give your child certain options. but being caught up with friends, and fitting in, and having fun, and keeping up with the world, you know your child will choose his friends.
but the next time, you still hope your child will make the healthy choice and get off the streets, and stop dealing with the wrong people...but knowing your child, you also know he will not make the best choice the next time either.

God is that parent. he created us to have a relationship with him. he wants to bless us and give us the desires of our heart.
but he requires obedience in return. we don't like to feel like we're being told what to do...so we don't accept his invitation to joy and eternity. we want to find it for ourselves...
but he doesn't stop trying to offer us his joy. until he detects that our hearts have hardened to his invite. he still loves us-we were made for him...but eventually when we say no enough, he will honor our decision.
parents don't stop loving their children...we eventually get to the place where we understand that we no longer have that influence, but the love does not cease.

long-winded, i know...but i hope it brings a little clarity.

tinabelle...



Just so ya know...

I absolutely believe in 'God'... just not the personification of...

Thank you for your attempt at an explanation thereof...

To all...



Peace...

In your scenario, there would be no free will. The point I was making (badly) was that God doesn't act that way. The highest will of the God of the Abraham is for us to have free will. Therefore, God wouldn't force someone to hire someone. Just because someone might believe that God got them the job, that doesn't mean that is what happened. God's actions are never described as being that direct in the will of others. God allows and facilitates, but never takes the free will from another.

mankind's decisions...which is a subset of all of the decisions...

Jean Luc Picard says,
"Make it so."

CS, I saw what you were doing as cultivating a field of intelligent discussion about religious issues. Religious discussion is healthy and I have enjoyed it even though it appears that I was alone in the discussion but at my age that can be fun.

Ummm....will I, or won't I?

Will you, or won't you?

Will they, or won't they?

Where there's a will, there's a way...


which reminds me, I have to upgrade my Will...

thanks for that!

include me in ur will. i will be happy if i just can get one of ur surf boards.

It may very well have been God's will, did he affirm this with you? If so and did not happen, then the free will of man, ( those interviewing are not of God and therefore do not pray about filling the job with the right person) got in the way. But this does not mean that you are outside of God's will, as he knows all things, therefore He still has a purpose for you.

May God's will be done.

I don't think you can get a job you're underqualified for by praying. I've tried. Didn't work for me!

Only if you promise to surf the reefs for me!

I'll surf all eternity for u and with u my sister

Zap, and anyone else with whom I did not directly converse...

No offense meant...

I was looking for an answer which did not depend on faith. Moreover, one which made logical sense.

spider actually gave what I considered to be an acceptable answer, by stating that the way I had described the example does not equate to the reality of how 'God' answers prayers.

If you are serious about the real answer to this question, you should read a book called "The Law of Attraction" By Esther and Jerry Hicks. It is the single most important book on creating your own experiences with your thoughts (prayers)

JB

JB:

Thank you for your suggestion...

I am a huge believer in thought manifesting reality...