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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Jeannie, I am quite familiar with that concept, it too has it's problems which necessitate a notion of separate... No it does not. What makes you think that? My mother always worried terribly, but some other factor affected the manifestation, perhaps her belief in her prayer(s) to 'God'? If this had not been the case, I would have been dead every time I was late coming home as a youth...  The saving grace of the Law of Attraction is that our thoughts do not manifest instantly. It gives us time to abandon them, and time to create something different. Within your belief system, as expressed by your writing(s), there lies certain factors which still necessitate the need for a notion of separate... Nope. Nope Nada. Simply because when you commission (or command) the universe with your thoughts (which are imprinted upon formless substance) you are simply using your own self, (other parts of the whole ~ you..) to do what it is designed to do. My arm is not "separate" from my body. Yet I do things with my arm. I use it. It is the same when you use formless substance to create what you want. It is still part of you. It is still you, and part of the whole. It is not separate, except that you might believe that it is. It is not. We are not separate whole things. We are separate parts of the whole. This particular thread was started as a means to logically discuss the separate notions of both, 'Gods' will and man's free will... Moreover, how they must necessarily affect one another on certain occasions, like the commonly held belief(s) of 'God' answering prayers. As I have said, if you understood the "Law of Attraction" as in the book, you would understand how it works. You say you are "familiar" with the concept, but I can see that you are not really. The option that you have presented implies manifestion of individual thought and feelings... if two different people hold two different thoughts about the same scenario... which prevails? The stronger one, and the one that has been manifesting longer prevails. It is like asking me if I planted two identical seeds, one a week before the other, which one would sprout first? The one planted first of course, and the one watered of course. The one that was cared for better. If the one planted first was left to dry in the sun, it would not sprout at all. In that case the one watered and cared for would sprout. JB |
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Ah JB...
Do not be too quick to assume what I am familiar with... Ya ever hear of someone playing 'the devil's advocate'?  I told you long ago that I do not disagree with you expressions in large... remember? Higher self... little self Separate notions when considered as you expressed... |
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Ah JB... Do not be too quick to assume what I am familiar with... Ya ever hear of someone playing 'the devil's advocate'? I told you long ago that I do not disagree with you expressions in large... remember? Higher self... little self Separate notions when considered as you expressed... If you want to call them separate, be my guest. But I do not consider my arm separate from my body and I do not consider my higher self to be separate from me and I do not consider myself to be separate from God or from you. It is all in the way you want to define "separate." I am my higher self. I speak from my higher self. It knows more than I do, so I trust my higher self, but I am still the final authority in most of my decisions in this life, except for the things that I do not know about, such as my manner and time of death. That is kept from our consciousness along with the knowledge of my other lives. I don't go around claiming that I am God, because most people don't understand that concept and they recoil to that because they have been taught the ridiculous story of Satan who wanted to be God and was thrown out of Heaven. Propaganda. I believe that anyone who is here in this incarnation reality came here voluntarily having full knowledge of the rules of the game.  |
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Jeannie:
I so respect you for many reasons... One is one... Any more than one is not... The illusion of separate is just that... an illusion... One finger cannot point at itself... therein lies the controversy inherent in the acceptance of one, there must be the illusion of separate... A temporary existance of experience... A frame of reference... Thought alone does not manifest any reality... only the possible reality... |
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The option that you have presented implies manifestion of individual thought and feelings... if two different people hold two different thoughts about the same scenario... which prevails? The stronger one, and the one that has been manifesting longer prevails. It is like asking me if I planted two identical seeds, one a week before the other, which one would sprout first? The one planted first of course, and the one watered of course. The one that was cared for better. If the one planted first was left to dry in the sun, it would not sprout at all. In that case the one watered and cared for would sprout. JB |
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Yes, I agree that separate is an illusion.
That is why I say that I am God. All that I do from where I stand here in this body and in this life I do as God. I am not separate from that. I live this illusion BY CHOICE. jb |
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Thought alone does not manifest any reality... only the possible reality... If it were not for thought, there would be no reality. Thought does not manifest it alone, this is certainly true. There are many many forces, entities, energies, beings, patterns, mechanisms, programs, etc. all working together.. under the direction of thought... to manifest things. JB |
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See...
 I toldja that we did not disagree... Quit picking on me...  Just joshin' ya...
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 03/28/08 02:59 PM
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Yes, I agree that separate is an illusion. That is why I say that I am God. jb Jeannie.... You know how I believe. There is only One God. But I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree...and will leave it at that. |
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Yes, I agree that separate is an illusion. That is why I say that I am God. jb Jeannie.... You know how I believe. There is only One God. But I respect your beliefs, even if I don't agree...and will leave it at that. It is possible that there is only one God, but who knows... Lets assume there is only one God. Even if there is only one God, we are all part of that one God. Being part of that one God makes us also God. We are all part of that. So I don't disagree. But I can't say that outside of that one God, there are no others. That is way beyond what we really need to know anyway. We work hard enough trying to define the one God we do have. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 03/28/08 03:19 PM
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Morningsong,
Please for one moment understand that I am not claiming to be the one and only God that so many people view as a separate being to be worshiped. That is not the concept here. The concept is if there is only one being, one God, in the pantheistic view, and we are part of that, then we are God. Following my roots and connections up to my higher self, and my higher self following Its roots and connections to Its Higher self, and on and on and on... all Higher and higher selves, finally reaching that consciousnesses that is the one God. Then is when you recognize God as self and self as God. Who know if that will ever happen, and if it does, who knows if we will recognize it if it does? We may reach a higher state of awareness and think that we are at the tippy top and may only be a molecule in God's little toe. LOL 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 03/28/08 03:32 PM
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Morningsong, Please for one moment understand that I am not claiming to be the one and only God that so many people view as a separate being to be worshiped. That is not the concept here. The concept is if there is only one being, one God, in the pantheistic view, and we are part of that, then we are God. Following my roots and connections up to my higher self, and my higher self following Its roots and connections to Its Higher self, and on and on and on... all Higher and higher selves, finally reaching that consciousnesses that is the one God. Then is when you recognize God as self and self as God. Who know if that will ever happen, and if it does, who knows if we will recognize it if it does? We may reach a higher state of awareness and think that we are at the tippy top and may only be a molecule in God's little toe. LOL Whew!! Thanx for explaining it a bit better there, Jeannie.. Had me worried here... Just kidding.... I knew what you meant... Love you Jeannie.....
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Creative Soul.......
Here is Something Else to Ponder There is..... GOD'S PERFECT WILL and also there is GOD'S PERMISSIVE WILL . |
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Sorry Song... One is just that...ONE I absolutely do not believe in a multi-personality 'God'... I do not believe in the personification of 'God'... Ethereal existance does not have the material capability neccessary to experience physiological constructs... |
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Both.
It was God's will that we make our own decisions. So we were created with Free Will... although our will seems limited in time and space, etc. We do not necessarily have infinite choices. Peace. |
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Sorry Song... One is just that...ONE I absolutely do not believe in a multi-personality 'God'... I do not believe in the personification of 'God'... Ethereal existance does not have the material capability neccessary to experience physiological constructs... God has many attributes. Multiple personalities everywhere. Lets see... there's you, there's me, there's Feralcatlady, there's well billions of personalities. You ABSOLUTELY do not believe in multiple personality God. We are God and we are many personalities. I even have split into multiple personalities. Some even have names. God splits ... Ethereal existance does not have the material capability neccessary to experience physiological constructs... What do you think we are doing down here anyway??
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God gave us free will and the choice to follow God's Will but just because you have free will doesn't mean that you'll follow God's will.
God has a plan but it is up to us to follow that plan. So in a way yes it can be both.
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God gave us free will and the choice to follow God's Will but just because you have free will doesn't mean that you'll follow God's will. God has a plan but it is up to us to follow that plan. So in a way yes it can be both. So do you follow "Gods plan" if you don't know what it is? |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 03/28/08 10:39 PM
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God gave us free will and the choice to follow God's Will but just because you have free will doesn't mean that you'll follow God's will. God has a plan but it is up to us to follow that plan. So in a way yes it can be both. So do you follow "Gods plan" if you don't know what it is? Jeannie.....that's why God left us a manual ....with directions and instructions included.... 
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sat 03/29/08 02:56 AM
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JB:
What????? We are God and we are many personalities. What????? Oh my, yet another ego-based 'God'... And you thought you saw it differently? I would not call all of the masks required for humans to feel accepted by other humans 'God'... Of course, if it feels right to you... it is your package... your box... put a nice ribbon on it... 'God' is a coping mechanism according to what you just said... I know at least one other person here who would agree... and I just absolutely adore her... truly... But she is clear about it... you are not... |
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