The genesis of 'nothing' is in the mind.

It does not exist, but in the mind.

that which is not truth is a lie.

that which knows to compare is imaginary and can only exist in the mind.

thus knowing the difference between good and evil prepetuates itself and the ends of which are universally limitless.

this is death, by virtue of not including life.

life does not compare the imaginations of good and evil.

good and evil are the imaginations of the mind.

life then is being and breathing in that which is inherent without judgement and receiving nourishment from the gift itself of breathing and being.

why then do we strive to question that which is given, if not to doubt and fear that which is?

imagine that

if you dare.....

oh, darn

scratch that last thought.

there is a wall up keeping us out, I almost forgot about that one.

I read about it somewhere.

Now I have to go sit in my corner and fume at myself.


NOT


...Oh NO!!! I can't smoke and drink either, that is an imagined hoax of discovery too!




..oops, someone might frown at my cheshire grin. I better remove that.

((( )))

Everything that exists, exists within the mind.
Space, time, illusions of reality.
It is all subjective and within the mind.

Nothing cannot exist, even in the mind.
Try to imagine nothing.
It can't be done.

imagine a dark void of nothing
and when you do
you realize there is still you
doing the imagining.

and then something pops up!
(I knew it was too good to be true.)

And there you are,
you
and something.

nothing cannot exist.

con fused

dif fused

de fused

re fused

in fused

fused

lots of bricks in the wall.....

Of course it was way off base “Funches”.

You don’t believe everything you read do you?

It was supposed to be a YellowRose decree not an Abracadabra decree.

It was just artistic silliness. Late night gobbledygook.

YellowRose isn’t in a box
and Funches has no key
Funches isn’t malevolent
nor does things heartlessly

Those were silly rhyming jokes
to paint wordy poem
I apologize to Funches folks
and all of those who know ‘em

How’s that?

Again, just because something can not be proven doesn't mean it has to be fantasy. Thats just an "argument to ignorance.

http://skepdic.com/ignorance.html

But back to the question. Did God create evil? No, he merely created the capacity for someone to chose. I would say Lucifer created evil since he was the first to do something that would be considered evil.

And what was it that Lucifer tried to do?

Overthrow God?

The very idea that an angel thought he could overthrow God and take over his role has to be the most ludicrous idea that man ever invented. Yet this very idea it at the foundational heart of Christianity and the biblical picture of God.

This is like Greek Mythology where someone thinks they can over throw Zeus.

The very idea that an angel could even think that he could overthrow God is absurd.

This is the kind of thinking that only ancient men could come up with. They think in terms of overthrowing the power of other men, especially in terms of defeating their armies.

But how would someone overthrow God?

God doesn’t have power because of his armies.

There’s nothing to overthrow. It’s a meaningless idea.

The only way that any entity could overthrow its creator would be to become more powerful than its creator, which is an absurd notion to begin with.

This very foundational element of the biblical picture is truly a mythological concept that can have no basis in any kind of reality.

It’s truly absurd. Yet this is what Christianity is based on. The idea that some angel was plotting to overthrow God and become the ruler of his kingdom. That’s the basis of the story.

And a full third of God’s angels were prepared to back this guy up!

That’s a lot of angels to be peeved with such a supposedly perfect and benevolent God don’t you think?

Also, what if 2/3 of the angels has backed Lucifer? Then would Lucifer have won because he had the larger army?

Is the spirit world ultimatly a democracy where the majority rules? And whoever gets the most support gets to be God?

I don't believe so.

I think the most evil thing on earth is when mankind blasphemed himself by writing the Bible.

Yea it's real hard to figure out why 2 different entities can't agree on much isn't it?

If there is any truth at all to the story of the Lucifer rebellion you have to consider that there were two beings, (angels or alien scientists) who called themselves "Gods" who were meddling in the affairs of the evolution of the creatures on the earth (The Adam and Eve project) and they had some kind of disagreement when the experiment went all wrong.

If you study the Uranita Book you might get some idea what this disagreement was about.

I have not spent a lot of time reading that book but I think it was about some of the created races on the planet that were considered "bad seeds" or less than perfect, and the ruling "Gods" wanted to destroy them.

They were attempting (with Adam and Eve) to create a race of perfect beings, and the horny breeding humans got out of hand, mating with fallen angels or aliens, or whatever you want to call them.

Lucifer rebelled against the destruction of these people because some of theme were genetically created by or related to him. He had grown fond of humans. (Maybe him and Eve got it on in the garden, I don't know, maybe it was done with DNA.)

But the fight could have been about one God wanting to scrap the whole project and another God wanted to save the people. Hence the rebellion against the higher God, who wanted to destroy us all. (You might be worshiping the wrong God if this is what happened.)

Neither one of these "Gods" were very nice, but one was a little nicer than the other. The Urantia book openly talks of these creator beings who created and destroyed entire races whenever they wanted.

Of course the book is a work of complete fiction in my opinion, but it is a huge and incredible book, and it would make for an epic movie trilogy of some kind. You can find the entire book on the Internet.

There are a host of people who claim to follow Jesus, but they don't consider the bible the complete or correct story. They hold the Urantia book as their Holy book. Has anyone here ever heard of this book or read it?

JB

Figuring out why they might disagree is the easy part.

Figuring out how the created entity can imagine overtaking its creator is the difficult thing.

Let’s not forget that the creator supposedly created everything.

How do you overtake a magician if you have no magical powers of your own?

That’s more to the point.

It implies that Lucifer fully understood how to work the magic wand and merely wanted to take it from God.

It also implies that God has no power of his own but indeed does get it form some external magic wand that Lucifer thought he could get his hands on.

Almost sounds like a remake of the Lord of the Rings.

How do you overtake a magician without becoming the magician?

Clearly Lucifer must thought he could somehow gain God’s power.

It’s more than just being in a position of authority like an earthy King.

And that’s my point.

How do you overthrow a magician, if you aren’t also a magician of equal power yourself?

And why would it even be important to have followers?

Would Lucifer have succeeded in overthrowing God if he had gained a larger following?

Can anyone become God?

Is it truly just a position of authority that can be overthrown?

Or is God genuinely a magical entity?

In which case it would be senseless to even talk about overthrowing it.

This is true. Lucifer might be the real good guy in this story and everyone is actually worshiping the bad God and they don't even realize it.

Jeannie I believe it could very much be possible that the tree of knowledge of good and evil that Satan convinced Eve to partake in could’ve meant she had sex with Satan in the garden and conceived Cain as punishment. The Lord God put the tree of life in the garden also but it was not forbidden to partake of at that time.

Have you ever noticed how it also says God created everything up until the 7th day when he rested then afterwards sometime later the Lord God created Adam & Eve and not God himself as the creator of heaven and earth before the 7th day?

In Genesis 3:5 “For God doeth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (This is what Satan said to Eve after she told him if she even touched that tree she would surely die).

It is very possible for a woman to have two separate fathers for paternal twins. As insinuated in scripture several times Cain was the bad seed & Abel was the good one. Sex in the garden with the fallen angel is very likely how Eve’s eyes became opened. The 1/3 of creation rejecting God are possibly descendants of Cain (Satan’s son) who committed the 1st murder by killing his brother Abel of whom he was jealous of.

Eve convinced Adam to partake of the tree of knowledge too. Might’ve been a threesome with Satan. They all 3 were punished for disobeying in Genesis3:14And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

But Abra I don’t think I am worshipping the wrong God how do you figure Satan to be the good guy? Satan caused man to be separated from God and the tree of life.

How do you know that?

All you know is that some book makes that claim.

If the bad guy wrote the book you don’t think he’s going to tell the truth do you?

I could write a book that states that I’m God.

If I print it up and give you a copy are you going to believe it?

Personally I don’t think that Satan is the good guy. In fact, I don’t even believe there is any entity named Satan. I’m thoroughly convinced that the entire book is nothing more than manmade mythology. Not to imply that real events didn’t spark the folklore. I’m quite sure they did. But that doesn’t give any credence to the claims of divinity.

Some guy in another thread just gave God credit for getting him a laptop computer. Men make claims about God’s all the time. But where do they get the evidence for what they are claiming?

I have no reason to believe the men who wrote the Bible. They may very well have believed what they wrote themselves. That still doesn’t make it true.

I’ve meet kooks on the Internet who claim that God speaks to them all the time. But their nasty attitudes and humongous egos give them away as frauds. For some reason men like to think they speak for God. It gives them a sense of power and authority. After all, if you can claim to speak for the almighty what’s above that? What better way to claim that you have the “FINAL WORD”.

It’s all just authoritarian ego trips.

I don’t believe that God is interested in being an authoritarian. That kind of stuff is the ego trips of men.

If there is a genuine living supreme being that wants something from me it would know that all it needs to do is ask. No need to get all haughty about it.

The only thing I know is that my creator must be nicer than me. The biblical picture of God doesn’t cut it.

So that picture clearly can’t be true.

That’s my logic and um stick’in to it.

I suppose the divinity of the bible is where we don't agree. Even though the bible is vague on details and written by men. I believe it to be filled with truths inspired by God.

Just because I say it is what I believe doesn't mean it is true. I am not trying to be an authoritarian and if I come off that way it is not my intent.

It is just my thoughts...right or wrong.

My logic does not dismiss that there may have been some creatures or beings that inspired the legends of gods but I don't see them as gods. They could be symbolic legends, or they could be based on some facts about other worldly beings who were taken for gods back then.

Edited: The following is a theory:

Satan and Lucifer were related but not the same individual. Jehovah was one of these same beings. So who knows, maybe they were at war with each other, pitting their people against each other. There were many waring gods back then. They all wanted dominance over their people and the earth.

That is why I don't assume that everything written in scripture that say "The Lord" means God almighty. They were all referred to as "The Lord."

Humans are such primitive beings to fall down and worship any being that claims to be god, to me it just seems so foolish.

JB

I know humans are strange creatures with lots of faults. (My ex is a perfect example of strange) IMO Life is strange too. I just want to make the best of it and enjoy it while it's here.

Eve had sex with a fallen angel?

There would be the first sexual insecurity complex of a man...



Poor Adam... the guy just could not possibly measure up to a god...

brown noser

without dark...is there light?
without day...is there night?
without hot...is there cold?
without young...is there old?

My Dr Seuss attempt at poetry

but without good...is there evil?

that is what I'm getting to