Topic: A Thank-You Note to George W. Bush
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Wed 02/27/08 12:00 PM

I agree with alot of what your saying but you allready know what parts I disagree about,but I cant help but think that the Iraqis who want us there are those who are also benefiting from our government, take that Chalibi guy who is the current Minister of Oil, he was one ofthe prime culprits for feeding false inteligence to our government on WMDS they tried to make him the next dictator but the Iraqis would have no part of him so he was apointed to be in charge of the oil. you are so right there are no easy answers on this.....But my feeling is some type of war crimes trial would go far in reestablishing some type of legitimacy to our occupation, we need to recognize we erred on a massive scale and either exonorate our government for simply being wrong or find out if we were purposly misled wich seems to be the indication.....Yes Bush and Cheneye have enough evidence against them to be at the verry least in front of a war crimes tribunal......let the chips fal were they may
According to The New Yorker, The New York Times, Newsweek and others, Al-Libi gave them what they wanted. Later he recanted, and said he told the lies to end the pain of torture… Still, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and others in the Iraq group--a team set up inside the White House in 2002 to sell America on the idea of invading Iraq--made al-Libi’s lies a centerpiece of their case. Just how aware Bush was that he based his war on a pack of lies should be looked into."
Curveball, Chalibi and al-Libi all lurked in the shadows of Bush's 2003 SOTU address. You know the one: It's been in the news thanks to Scooter Libby, Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame. In that speech, Bush uttered 16 little words--“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa”--that Joseph Wilson sought to debunk in his July 6, 2003 New York Times Op-ed piece, "What I Didn't Find In Africa."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_don_will_070409_our_three_stooges_fr.htm

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Wed 02/27/08 12:00 PM
he was one ofthe prime culprits for feeding false inteligence to our government on WMDS


very good...at least you now accept the info Bush, Clinton and a few other countries including the UN was false....it is unfortunate that Bush relied on that and other evidence that may not have been correct but it's not been wasted as the terrorists would have to have been fought one day and it's better to take it to them than wait for them to come to us...

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Wed 02/27/08 12:31 PM

he was one ofthe prime culprits for feeding false inteligence to our government on WMDS


very good...at least you now accept the info Bush, Clinton and a few other countries including the UN was false....it is unfortunate that Bush relied on that and other evidence that may not have been correct but it's not been wasted as the terrorists would have to have been fought one day and it's better to take it to them than wait for them to come to us...
and i also said this.........Wed 02/27/08 11:00 AM
I agree with alot of what your saying but you allready know what parts I disagree about,but I cant help but think that the Iraqis who want us there are those who are also benefiting from our government, take that Chalibi guy who is the current Minister of Oil, he was one ofthe prime culprits for feeding false inteligence to our government on WMDS they tried to make him the next dictator but the Iraqis would have no part of him so he was apointed to be in charge of the oil. you are so right there are no easy answers on this.....But my feeling is some type of war crimes trial would go far in reestablishing some type of legitimacy to our occupation, we need to recognize we erred on a massive scale and either exonorate our government for simply being wrong or find out if we were purposly misled wich seems to be the indication.....Yes Bush and Cheneye have enough evidence against them to be at the verry least in front of a war crimes tribunal......let the chips fall were they may

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Wed 02/27/08 01:28 PM


answer my question
do you have peace now? realy what do you think would happen if we left? we would leave another country devestated and the populaton hateing us for bloweing up there water plants, electrical plants, babyfood factories you name itwe destroyed it......if you got in the way your dead too bad sorry we didnt do it on purpose.well 5 years later we are still there.five years after bush declared mission accomplished now mcain says well maybe in a hundred years or fifty.......meanwhile on the home front....gas over3 bucks a gallon, houseingmarket crashed and burned.....oh I forgot it was Clintons fault........sorry its difficult for me to delude myself.


No really, you're doing a fine job, Why don't you run for President? Maybe you could get Jane Fonda as your running mate as you seem to have a lot in common.bigsmile bigsmile

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Wed 02/27/08 01:31 PM



answer my question
do you have peace now? realy what do you think would happen if we left? we would leave another country devestated and the populaton hateing us for bloweing up there water plants, electrical plants, babyfood factories you name itwe destroyed it......if you got in the way your dead too bad sorry we didnt do it on purpose.well 5 years later we are still there.five years after bush declared mission accomplished now mcain says well maybe in a hundred years or fifty.......meanwhile on the home front....gas over3 bucks a gallon, houseingmarket crashed and burned.....oh I forgot it was Clintons fault........sorry its difficult for me to delude myself.


No really, you're doing a fine job, Why don't you run for President? Maybe you could get Jane Fonda as your running mate as you seem to have a lot in common.bigsmile bigsmile
sorry your unable to debate the issues or stay on topiclaugh

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Wed 02/27/08 01:35 PM
You said it was difficult to delude yourself and I was just letting you know that you're doing a fine job of it.

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Wed 02/27/08 02:27 PM

You said it was difficult to delude yourself and I was just letting you know that you're doing a fine job of it.
The mystery of Iraq's missing weapons of mass destruction has become a lot less mysterious. Recent reports in major British newspapers and three major American news magazines, based on leaks from angry intelligence officials, back up the sources who told my colleague Nicholas Kristof that the Bush administration ''grossly manipulated intelligence'' about W.M.D.'s.

And anyone who talks about an ''intelligence failure'' is missing the point. The problem lay not with intelligence professionals, but with the Bush and Blair administrations. They wanted a war, so they demanded reports supporting their case, while dismissing contrary evidence.

In Britain, the news media have not been shy about drawing the obvious implications, and the outrage has not been limited to war opponents. The Times of London was ardently pro-war; nonetheless, it ran an analysis under the headline ''Lie Another Day.'' The paper drew parallels between the selling of the war and other misleading claims: ''The government is seen as having 'spun' the threat from Saddam's weapons just as it spins everything else.''

Yet few have made the same argument in this country, even though ''spin'' is far too mild a word for what the Bush administration does, all the time. Suggestions that the public was manipulated into supporting an Iraq war gain credibility from the fact that misrepresentation and deception are standard operating procedure for this administration, which -- to an extent never before seen in U.S. history -- systematically and brazenly distorts the facts.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E6DA1330F930A35755C0A9659C8B63

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Wed 02/27/08 02:49 PM

Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

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Wed 02/27/08 02:50 PM

I would like to thank King George too, and I would like to add that I just read that Bush and Bin Ladden ARE, ARE, ARE ,ARE,partners in the oil business .I am looking forward to those criminal, fraud, and treason, and murder trials. for Bush, Cheny, Rice, and most of the Congress and others.drinker drinker drinker

Barack Obama is rolling down the stretch like a train going down hill full speed ahead. We are going to get our change that we need. drinker drinker drinker drinker


DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPENlaugh laugh laugh laugh

lINDYY

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Wed 02/27/08 03:13 PM


Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

somehow Lyndy I think our founding fathers would approve of my comments much more than they approve of yoursflowerforyou

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Wed 02/27/08 07:57 PM
Thank the Bush Crime GANG, for helping us see the need for CHANGE!!!drinker drinker drinker

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Wed 02/27/08 11:40 PM


Thank you for making such a thorough mess of your presidency that the citizens of this country want a change so vast, so enormous that we are willing to elect either a black man or a woman to the White House.



Not only is this the most racist/sexist thing ive heard in quite a while. I want to know why people keep saying that obama is balck. If you would take the time to look his father was arabic and his mother was hawian. Two tans do not equal being black.

Sorry about the spelling im typing in a hurry.

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Thu 02/28/08 05:45 AM





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silly rabbit, trix are for pro's....

mama said madmen are like outhouses.

hey buddy, have another shot of whatever your on and send me some too....

you know if its so bad i hear that they are accepting applications for the job,,,, you could do better? or are you a sideline quarter back who is unable to take the field?


sorry your wasteing your life in Iraq bro but its not my fault.If I could send ya a shot I woulddrinker


Someday i hope you end up in a position where you have to face one of your enemies. You may be singing a different tune, although most likely you wouldn't be singing at all. Anyhowasn't it you that posted this heart warming thread about all these poor innocent iraqi civilians getting killed. WHAT THE EFF DO YOU THINK WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT!?! Honestly lets say we pull out now. What do you think would happen, in your ever-lasting wisdom? You think everyone would put down their guns and things would go smoothly? You think Iraq would be in peace? That's ok though, we will keep fighting. For ......people... like you. We will keep fighting and dying so you can sit there in the comfort of your living room and criticize every move we make. Continue to take your freedom for granted because it's not like we will ever stop dying for people like you. Because unlike you we know what the world is really like.


madman.......

Pleaseeeeeeeeee read the above and apologize to this gentleman and all the other men/women who are in Iraq fighting.
there is nothing to apologise for, even the dimmest of bulbs at this point understand that Iraq had nothing to do with those who attacked Us on 911 and in fat the actions in Iraq have increased the likelyhood of more terrorism.





madman...... Of course you would not apologize. It means nothing to you to trash America, so why not do it to our fighting men.

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Thu 02/28/08 05:49 AM




answer my question
do you have peace now? realy what do you think would happen if we left? we would leave another country devestated and the populaton hateing us for bloweing up there water plants, electrical plants, babyfood factories you name itwe destroyed it......if you got in the way your dead too bad sorry we didnt do it on purpose.well 5 years later we are still there.five years after bush declared mission accomplished now mcain says well maybe in a hundred years or fifty.......meanwhile on the home front....gas over3 bucks a gallon, houseingmarket crashed and burned.....oh I forgot it was Clintons fault........sorry its difficult for me to delude myself.


No really, you're doing a fine job, Why don't you run for President? Maybe you could get Jane Fonda as your running mate as you seem to have a lot in common.bigsmile bigsmile
sorry your unable to debate the issues or stay on topiclaugh



MADMAN......

You are the one famous for not being able to debate issues. All you know how to do is plagarize, or lie.

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Thu 02/28/08 05:52 AM


Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY




Quite a few people, particularly, the gentleman representing the armed forces, have said a lot of thought-provoking things. However, Lindyy you by far have made the most truthful statement on this thread.

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Thu 02/28/08 06:20 AM



Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

somehow Lyndy I think our founding fathers would approve of my comments much more than they approve of yoursflowerforyou


NOT!!!!!!!

Lindyy

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Thu 02/28/08 06:39 AM



Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

somehow Lyndy I think our founding fathers would approve of my comments much more than they approve of yoursflowerforyou


madman:

Take a look at what our first President and founding father said:

George Washington (1789–1797)

"To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace."


I think President Washington Agrees with me!!!

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:

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Thu 02/28/08 06:46 AM



Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

somehow Lyndy I think our founding fathers would approve of my comments much more than they approve of yoursflowerforyou




MADMAN......

Are you aware of what you posted above? How dare you utter the words "Founding Fathers," when every thread/post you make is designed to destroy all that they have done!

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Thu 02/28/08 07:15 AM
you know the beauty of america is even the people we may not agree with have a right to voice whatever opinion they choose.

being able to defend that right at the same time you disagree with it is what truly separates the US from other nations. just a thought (doesnt mean i personally dont think he's got some wheels rusted).

madisonman's photo
Thu 02/28/08 02:49 PM




Its a damn shame these kids are in Iraq they should be home raising families and nurturing relationships, enjoying there lives in meaningfull ways......wtf are they doing in Iraq? you can spin all the dogma all day long the reality is.we have no right to be there and never did.



YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE HERE.

LINDYY

somehow Lyndy I think our founding fathers would approve of my comments much more than they approve of yoursflowerforyou




MADMAN......

Are you aware of what you posted above? How dare you utter the words "Founding Fathers," when every thread/post you make is designed to destroy all that they have done!
I think the Christian right and the neocons have done a much better job of destroying what THE FOUNDING FATHERS have createddrinker