So, you are saying we paid and trained Abu Abbas to attack the cruise ship and kill a wheelchair bound American? Or, we trained Yousef to carry out the 1993 WTC bombing?

You say we trained, supplied, and sent terrorists off to do our bidding, I say prove it. And, if you say Osama bin Laden, I say prove that as well. We were paying for a man leading a militia to fight back in their country and prevent it from being overrun by the Soviets. We did not train him as a terrorist mastermind.

Prove we trained terrorists to do our bidding. Yes yes, use the Contras if you wish it. However, even there we trained them to be able to overthrow their own oppressive government, not to kill innocents in waves. They were the ones that got twisted and screwed up, our intention was just, we cannot control the faults of human wrongs.

If you link those men and Osamas Afghanistan vs. the Soviets to men like Abbas, Yousef, and others who wish nothing but to target civilians for mass death, fear, and chaos then you are really really reaching.

There is some stuff prior. I don't even get why you are asking that but here ya go. What about all the stuff with his mustard gas in the 80s? http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm




"Iraq under Saddam supported international terrorist organizations to bolster Iraq's revolutionary credentials, ensure his own role as Great Arab leader, and intimidate rival governments. In examining the history, methods, and patterns of behavior of Saddam Husayn in supporting international terrorism, some "truths" stand out. Beginning in the early 1970s, Saddam provided safe haven, training, arms, and other forms of assistance to Palestinian and Arab extremists. Baghdad hosted the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), and the Hawari faction of the PLO. In addition, Baghdad created the Arab Liberation Front (ALF) as its personal surrogate in the wars against Israel. Although the ALF conducted no terrorist operations, Saddam used it in the 1970s and resurrected it again in the current Palestinian intifada as a means to recruit Palestinians and, in 2001, to win praise for offering $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian "martyred" in an Israeli attack. Some examples of Iraqi support include:"


http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing3/witness_yaphe.htm

I don't really think that's fair. I don't support Bush or the premise of why we went to Iraq, but to pull out overnight would only make matters worse now;^]



It sure feels like we are stuck in a bad way.

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"I don't really think that's fair. I don't support Bush or the premise of why we went to Iraq, but to pull out overnight would only make matters worse now;^]"



It sure feels like we are stuck in a bad way.

Hey, that was 2nd personality that double posted.

Great find, I totally forgot about that 9/11 Commission info. I used it before awhile back in a debate class. The 'Saddam never had links to any terror' people can't really respond after getting that thrown at them because they have loved to use the 9/11 Commission report so much on other things and treated it like the Holy Grail.

Little Lady, I am proud of you.

amen my friend.
all this war is a nonsense in the nonsensical mind of the bushy guy

We are in this mess because we didn'tthink before we acted. Why is everyone suggesting we do the same thing again?

well, we could have at least picked up all the weapons from the warehouses in iraq. instead, we ignored them and they disapeared shortly after we invaded

HUH????
Lindyy

Oh, Aspiringactress could not handle the very debate she started and deactivated her account. I tried to give her some 'motherly advice' since she picked a topic with the 'heavyweights', but she would not listen. I am sure she will be ok after she calms down, at least I hope she calms down.

Lindyy

the weapons that the iraqi army had, including things that we gave years ago. they were in warehouses and other buildings. since they weren't mission related, they were left. heard this from a few soldiers, including my brother. left the weapons, come back later and they're gone.

had the higher ups not had their heads up their asses, a lot of americans would probably still be alive since they'd be lacking a lot of tools for making their improvised weapons

old caches are where they are getting the ordinances and weapons to attack us with now. I agree it would have made things easier if we cleaned up systematically as we went through. live and learn i guess....