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| Topic: If you support the war, you don't support a soldier. | |
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It's typical that you hear what people are gripping about louder that what they are pleased with so I would suspect if asked what the people were pleased with you'd find they were more pleased than disappointed. As for the people who think the leaders are crazy radicals if that were true the Congress controlled by the Democrats could and would have done something to stop Bush..those who claim that Bush is crazy are looking at from their point of view...and who knows if they took their meds that day... It's interesting though that out of the whole article you chose a paragraph that claims the oppressed people in Iran have the same issue with their goverment as the Americans have with theirs. Do you really feel an affiliation with an oppressed society? Nah, none of that was my opinion...didn't say that it was. Just addressing all aspects of the issue. I merely stated that the section quoted was "interesting." I meant no endorsement or disagreement. As for the small segment of people in this country who think Bush is a radical, acknowledging their existence doesn't place me in line with them. Cheers. 
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Nah, none of that was my opinion...didn't say that it was. Just addressing all aspects of the issue. I merely stated that the section quoted was "interesting." I meant no endorsement or disagreement. The article itself was interesting and when someone highlights a singular point in the article there is usually a reason other than one finding it interesting. You regularly tarnish the current administration and that in itself leads one to reasonably assume your purpose to highlight that particular point was to continue on your mission since it criticized the US goverment Also, if you had disagreed with the point you would surely not highlighted it, would you. 
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Ok let's be clear...I have no "mission".
Furthermore, the sign of an open minded and well reasoned person is the ability to find points which are opposite their belief to still be interesting, possibly even convincing. Otherwise, what is the point of debate? To say that simply because I pointed out a particular spot in the text means that I necessarily agree with it and am on a mission is to misunderstand what I attempt to do in a debate...which is to present thought provoking points which will lead to an examination by each person of their own beliefs. I'm really not trying to change anyone's mind or disparage anyone's opinions. I'm sorry if text based mediums make it hard to ascertain a persons demeanor, but I truly do not have animosity with any of my responses and I am not trying to make it sound that way. I do, however, find it frustrating that when I explicitly state that something is not my opinion, you insist that it still is. I find the concept baffling, that someone else would be able to better discern my opinion than I could! |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjpX__vUTA&feature=related I have been reading for a few days now, about who believes what, and who belives whom. My statement is, if you support Bush, and the war, you are helping to kill our men and woman of the military. Stop the war and bring them home. Uhh if there are never any wars then there is no need for military personnel. Thats what they sign up for when they enter the military. Thats like saying you if you support police chasing criminals then you don't support police because they could die if the criminal pulls a weapon. Its kind of their job. |
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As much as I would like to see the war end and troops come home it just isn't a possibility at this time, perhaps years ago it would of been but for what has been done and what American troops have done we can't. If we leave Iraq they WILL fall into civil war all over again, the "democracy" government still isn't all that well established and their military is far from good to go. Unfortunately we're in this for the long haul now, but hey, Iraq will be freeish.
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Edited by
Chazster
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Wed 02/20/08 01:35 PM
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let me ask all you pro war people why we're in Iraq??? Terrorists didn't come from there!!! You all could get your facts straight Saddam was in Iraq, he supported terrorist attacks by paying the families of suicide bombers. We got rid of Saddam, now we have to help them establish a stable government so that terrorists or other rogue groups don't and try to take over. |
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let me ask all you pro war people why we're in Iraq??? Terrorists didn't come from there!!! You all could get your facts straight Saddam was in Iraq, he supported terrorist attacks by paying the families of suicide bombers. We got rid of Saddam, now we have to help them establish a stable government so that terrorists or other rogue groups don't and try to take over. We screwed up priority, what's more important: The guy that orchestrated an attack that left thousands dead? Or the guy that paid the families of the people that enacted the plan? |
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let me ask all you pro war people why we're in Iraq??? Terrorists didn't come from there!!! You all could get your facts straight Saddam was in Iraq, he supported terrorist attacks by paying the families of suicide bombers. We got rid of Saddam, now we have to help them establish a stable government so that terrorists or other rogue groups don't and try to take over. We screwed up priority, what's more important: The guy that orchestrated an attack that left thousands dead? Or the guy that paid the families of the people that enacted the plan? I never said we didn't change or priorities or that what we are doing is better or not. I was just answering his question. |
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Everytime I look at these threads it always the same. First. I didn't believe we should have invaded Iraq. We can't change the past. Now the terrorist have chosen to use this as their battle ground which is fine by me. We MUST not leave without finishing what we began in Iraq. They will use this as a propaganda tool and it will give them the spirit to fight on. What angers me is how people from day one have fought against each other instead of uniting.Don't you know that they see how we bicker and know its only a matter of time before we lose the will power. You can't cut and run. All the time I see how people bring up so called American atrocities but never speak about how women are treated over there or how their children are taught to blow themselves up in a crowd. Where is your outrage then? I have been there and expect to go again. I would like to think that if I did die it was for a good reason. At least it is in my opinion. Right or wrong stand behind America. We are fighting a group of people who are about 300 years behind us in their way of thinking. Over there you don't have the luxury of disagreeing like you do here. You would lose your head. I can say we agree to disagree but some people in here act like if they had a gun they would fight against the U.S. or hope we lose.
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Why would you not support a solider who knowing he may die is willing to go and take that risk for us. It makes no sense to me not to support them I am sorry but that is just wrong. I think we should thank them not attack them with crap like this this thread is just wrong!
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 Round and round the same rhetoric diatribe goes....some things never change... It's not rocket science, hand someone a gun, train them to kill, and set them up with an enemy, the results are predictable...
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let me ask all you pro war people why we're in Iraq??? Terrorists didn't come from there!!! You all could get your facts straight Saddam was in Iraq, he supported terrorist attacks by paying the families of suicide bombers. We got rid of Saddam, now we have to help them establish a stable government so that terrorists or other rogue groups don't and try to take over. And if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you cheap...lol The people of this country are so dam brainwashed it is not even funny. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, he may have been a crummy leader in his country but if we went around removing crummy leaders we would never rest. And we would have to attack ourselves cause our leader sucks. |
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Okay. What you said makes no sense at all. Do you think soldiers want to die or kill?
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Everytime I look at these threads it always the same. First. I didn't believe we should have invaded Iraq. We can't change the past. Now the terrorist have chosen to use this as their battle ground which is fine by me. We MUST not leave without finishing what we began in Iraq. They will use this as a propaganda tool and it will give them the spirit to fight on. What angers me is how people from day one have fought against each other instead of uniting.Don't you know that they see how we bicker and know its only a matter of time before we lose the will power. You can't cut and run. All the time I see how people bring up so called American atrocities but never speak about how women are treated over there or how their children are taught to blow themselves up in a crowd. Where is your outrage then? I have been there and expect to go again. I would like to think that if I did die it was for a good reason. At least it is in my opinion. Right or wrong stand behind America. We are fighting a group of people who are about 300 years behind us in their way of thinking. Over there you don't have the luxury of disagreeing like you do here. You would lose your head. I can say we agree to disagree but some people in here act like if they had a gun they would fight against the U.S. or hope we lose. If you believe Saddam should pay for his failures as a leader then our leader must pay for his, it is only fair. We are no better than they are in that sense. We went there illegally. Saddam nor Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and this fact was obvious from the start. Shrub chose to point us in the direction of Iraq and then started a campaign for same. No WMDs, NO bin laden. We are wrong. Iraq is not the homeland of terrorists, Iraq did not attack us on our home soil. Terrorist come from all over the world, not just Iraq. We are not fighting the war on terror in Iraq. The war on terror must be waged world wide with all nations as a participants. We are not doing anything but stirring a pot of ill will. |
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If you believe Saddam should pay for his failures as a leader then our leader must pay for his wow...so you equate Bush who had Congresses authority to go to war with Saddam....nice..real nice..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HjpX__vUTA&feature=related I have been reading for a few days now, about who believes what, and who belives whom. My statement is, if you support Bush, and the war, you are helping to kill our men and woman of the military. Stop the war and bring them home. Put down the books and join our world. I was in the military. You could right that crap without your freedom, that was won by our men and women of the armed forces. |
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Okay. What you said makes no sense at all. Do you think soldiers want to die or kill? Soldiers do what they are told to do. Noone here with any sense is blaming them for being in Iraq. Noone here with any sense is anti soldier. We are anti-illegal war. There is no end to this war unless we pull out. This is not just a war with Iraq, like the illustrious baby shrub has led us to believe. The nations surrounding Iraq are not with us. If shrub would have listened to the UN council and waited until we had unanimous support then we could have gone into the country that was housing bin laden and tried him for the crimes against us and why did shrub not do this?????
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Okay. What you said makes no sense at all. Do you think soldiers want to die or kill? Soldiers do what they are told to do. Noone here with any sense is blaming them for being in Iraq. Noone here with any sense is anti soldier. We are anti-illegal war. There is no end to this war unless we pull out. This is not just a war with Iraq, like the illustrious baby shrub has led us to believe. The nations surrounding Iraq are not with us. If shrub would have listened to the UN council and waited until we had unanimous support then we could have gone into the country that was housing bin laden and tried him for the crimes against us and why did shrub not do this?????  something, laced with something as well
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Edited by
toastedoranges
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Wed 02/20/08 04:08 PM
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I dont really like it but i still support it for the simple reason they came over here to our country and blew up our buildings killing lots of innocent people who did not deserve to die. Oh and Obama said if he makes president he is pulling our troops out and bringing them home. If he does that it will leave the US open for anyone to come over here do the same thing this time it could be our schools or whatever else they decide to blow up here. iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, not a thing This country dosnt have the stomache for war anymore...Have we been attacked on our soil since 9-11?..Do you think its a coincidence or do you think its because our troops have crippled al Quada s efforts to inflict terror? Typical liberal BS..All show , no go.. Easy to be critical from outside the fence ..I respect your opinion though we never would have been attacked had scores of people actually done their jobs. from gov employees to airport personel Laughable...Sell that to Mccain ..our next President...You liberals seem to forget that we are a warring nation...Everything this country has gotten or will get has been gained on the backs of our fighting men... So grab a double latte at your nearest Starbucks and hug a tree, but before you do , hug a vet and thank him... so... "i'm fighting for your freedom of speech, now shut your face!!!" great message We have not got attacked again because of the increase in our homeland security, not up to par yet but it is better than pre 9/11. How do you think that us being over there stops attacks here??? It don't. Iraq was not the homeland for terrorists, although the snow job you got from shrub would make you think that, it is not true. The terrorist who did 9/11 were not from Iraq, bin laden was not and will not be in Iraq, Saddam has not attacked us on our soil, etc.... SO THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING IN IRAQ??? WMD??? YOU KNOW THAT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE JOKE WE NEVER LIVE DOWN. WHERE THE HELL IS THE PERPETRATOR OF 9/11??????!!!!!!!! and as i said, had people been doing their jobs... had even our president not dismissed threats... I question why we originally invaded Iraq. What do you guys think would happen if we just pulled out right now? Honestly though. And once again, i know pretty much everyone here supports the troops... I guess im just trying to get people to think ahead a little more. Thinking ahead may have prevented this whole war. Invasion was needed...if not at the time it happened it would have happened at a later date..it was inevitable.. to pull out now they terrorists would be available for targets around the world. The terrorists would be viewing the pull out as a victory as they would have if Bush chose not to invade and brought the troops back from Kuwait. The terrorists would use the occasion to inspire more terrorists since they defeated the Us. yes, we do need to be there. but we only need to be there because we've destabalized the country and could bring the whole region down. IF OUR SOLDIES AND OUR PRESIDENT BELEIVE IT'S RIGHT, THEN I'M BEHIND TTHEM 100%. yay for blindly following a leader who's lied to you more times than a bear ****s in the woods This is not true, us being in Iraq is not "eliminating the world of terrorists" You have been fooled by the illustrious shrub. The terrorist who struck us on our home soil were not from Iraq, they were not headed by Saddam, they don't care about Iraq, only the shrub cared about Iraq, why, his personal agenda, that is why, shrub could care less about you. Where is the perpetrator of 9/11????? This is the question of the century for us Americans who have suffered due to bin laden. Where is he, why have we not been vindicated for 9/11!!!???? well... it is true in a way. we are killing terrorist by being over in iraq. our presence has acted like a magnet to them. not only that, we've turned citizens into enemies. but to say we're fighting them there so they don't come here, that's a half truth at best. As for the people who think the leaders are crazy radicals if that were true the Congress controlled by the Democrats could and would have done something to stop Bush..those who claim that Bush is crazy are looking at from their point of view...and who knows if they took their meds that day... our congress should show some backbone and not put up with this crap. but they won't. they're better than they were then. after 9/11 you too were a terrorist if you said anything negative about the administration. either you're with us, or you're with them! |
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Edited by
northrn_yanke
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Wed 02/20/08 04:10 PM
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This is not just a war with Iraq It's not a war with Iraq at all. It's a war in Iraq to annihilate the terrorists who have decided to use Iraq to conduct their murders of innocent people. It would be nice though if the terrorists played by the rules of engagement and ceased to wear civilian clothes that allows them to blend in with the innocent Iraqi civilian. |
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